Just thought this was interesting, even though i believe we don't know what the hell went on.
https://youtu.be/JtEkyk8vZ6E
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I'd say it's quite relevant, there are a lot of similarities between Australopithecus and our extant hairy men.
Have you watched Lloyd Pye's "Everything You Know Is Wrong"? Some interesting hypothesis in there. Couldn't say if they're right or wrong, but worth considering nonetheless. I've researched Melba Ketchum and to be honest I have a hard time with it. Some, including an insider on the project, claim that she has admitted to manipulating her test data to get the conclusion she gets. And even if you accept her conclusion that sasquatch are half-human (which doesn't sit right to me), you're also accepting the species is only 14,000 years old, which she apparently also pulled from the test results.
Anyhow, Pye argues that the extant hairy men are of the genus homo, and that modern depictions of them without hair and being gracile, short-armed and long-legged, are manipulations. More precisely, he argues there are four major hairy man types throughout the world.
One, the giant 7- 10 foot sasquatch type, found on all continents on Earth, speculated as being an extant homo erectus. A 5'8" 12 yo homo erectus skeleton was found which was very robust.
Two, the 5-7 foot Almasty, found on most continents on Earth, including North America and Australia. Thought to be the most intelligent of the major hairy man types and actually an extant homo neaderthal.
Three, the 3-5 foot pymie type, primarily habituated throughout the tropical rainforests of the world, although also found habitating outside the tropics in some temperate environs as well.
Four, the 5-7 foot yeti, found exclusively in the lowland forests south of the Himalayas, thought to be the most primitive of the major hairy man types.
Australia apparently is home to the first three major types. Whether they're of the genus homo, or Australopithecus, or even something else, I really don't know. I don't think they're gigantopithecus as there're too many differences among the similarities. And not all hairy man types are that big anyway.
I personally don't think they're of the genus Australopithecus, as they were basically bipedal chimps, and our extant hairy men to me are clearly are more than a brainwise chimp. Which to me leaves either the genus homo, or even something between homo and Australopithecus. The main problem I have with the homo theory is our hairy men aren't famous for being fire-making tool using creatures. Although there are reports of them using tools and even producing artwork. We know so little about them.
Have you watched Lloyd Pye's "Everything You Know Is Wrong"? Some interesting hypothesis in there. Couldn't say if they're right or wrong, but worth considering nonetheless. I've researched Melba Ketchum and to be honest I have a hard time with it. Some, including an insider on the project, claim that she has admitted to manipulating her test data to get the conclusion she gets. And even if you accept her conclusion that sasquatch are half-human (which doesn't sit right to me), you're also accepting the species is only 14,000 years old, which she apparently also pulled from the test results.
Anyhow, Pye argues that the extant hairy men are of the genus homo, and that modern depictions of them without hair and being gracile, short-armed and long-legged, are manipulations. More precisely, he argues there are four major hairy man types throughout the world.
One, the giant 7- 10 foot sasquatch type, found on all continents on Earth, speculated as being an extant homo erectus. A 5'8" 12 yo homo erectus skeleton was found which was very robust.
Two, the 5-7 foot Almasty, found on most continents on Earth, including North America and Australia. Thought to be the most intelligent of the major hairy man types and actually an extant homo neaderthal.
Three, the 3-5 foot pymie type, primarily habituated throughout the tropical rainforests of the world, although also found habitating outside the tropics in some temperate environs as well.
Four, the 5-7 foot yeti, found exclusively in the lowland forests south of the Himalayas, thought to be the most primitive of the major hairy man types.
Australia apparently is home to the first three major types. Whether they're of the genus homo, or Australopithecus, or even something else, I really don't know. I don't think they're gigantopithecus as there're too many differences among the similarities. And not all hairy man types are that big anyway.
I personally don't think they're of the genus Australopithecus, as they were basically bipedal chimps, and our extant hairy men to me are clearly are more than a brainwise chimp. Which to me leaves either the genus homo, or even something between homo and Australopithecus. The main problem I have with the homo theory is our hairy men aren't famous for being fire-making tool using creatures. Although there are reports of them using tools and even producing artwork. We know so little about them.
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Titla you wrote: I've researched Melba Ketchum and to be honest I have a hard time with it. Some, including an insider on the project, claim that she has admitted to manipulating her test data to get the conclusion she gets. And even if you accept her conclusion that sasquatch are half-human (which doesn't sit right to me), you're also accepting the species is only 14,000 years old, which she apparently also pulled from the test results.
Occasionally my beliefs do evolve with Yowie/Bigfoot not often though but I will concede that Ketchum's research is dubious. What has changed my perspective is that I don't believe we have any Yowie/Bigfoot material at all that would identify them if put through DNA analysis. Most samples that have been tested have a rational explanation sporadically you get an unknown result. So the vast majority of the hair, scats samples have been positively accounted for.
Unless government institutions have suppressed DNA results then once again it has been a failed venture. We have no samples that would measure up to testing.
Occasionally my beliefs do evolve with Yowie/Bigfoot not often though but I will concede that Ketchum's research is dubious. What has changed my perspective is that I don't believe we have any Yowie/Bigfoot material at all that would identify them if put through DNA analysis. Most samples that have been tested have a rational explanation sporadically you get an unknown result. So the vast majority of the hair, scats samples have been positively accounted for.
Unless government institutions have suppressed DNA results then once again it has been a failed venture. We have no samples that would measure up to testing.
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Yeah sensesonfire I was initially excited about Ketchum's work when I first came across it. I thought that the results didn't make sense, but that I must have been mistaken, as DNA isn't supposed to lie. However my excitement diminished as I learnt more.
Regarding the results, I can't see how they'd be half human as if that were the case I'd have thought they'd be halfway gracile, shorter than they are, as well as not as hairy. And the 14,000 year business seems even more implausible to me.
I also have some question marks over some of their video evidence as well, particularly "Matilda", which for real seems to be a damn wooki mask. Then there is the whistleblower that was on the project, I think his name Justin, relaying a damning conversation he'd had with Ketchum regarding the results she'd obtained.
Not that the whole project is necessarily bogus, I think especially in the early days when Paulides was involved with it they were doing some great investigative work. His early bigfoot book is supposed to be quite informative that he wrote before moving into the 411 business.
Anyway I have to believe that for a long time there have been government and/or government-sponsored interests that know a hell of a lot about the hairy men and have had a proper supply of both live and dead hairy men sequestered away to analyse at their leisure.
There is even one testimonial from a former SAS that said he overheard in the field one of these men (a civilian there with tracking equipment to find the rogue sasquatch for the SAS team) saying to himself "he won't believe we have another one", "he" being his colleague back at the secret US Department of Hominology or whatever he's a part of, and "another one" referring to the sasquatch the SAS team had just killed and was lying on the ground in front of them. I'm would put my money on there being some kind of shadow Australian Department of Hominology based out of Sydney.
This issue of what they are and where they come from sure is a mysterious question to the rest of us though! I'd love to know the answer.
I see you're from WA. I lived in Perth for a few years back 20 years ago. Are there yowie down south WA towards Denmark, because I had what I think might have been a yowie encounter down that way back in about 2000. It was always a mystery to me until I learnt about the hairy men. There is an AYR audio report of yowie in the Kalamunda area on the outskirts of Perth.
Regarding the results, I can't see how they'd be half human as if that were the case I'd have thought they'd be halfway gracile, shorter than they are, as well as not as hairy. And the 14,000 year business seems even more implausible to me.
I also have some question marks over some of their video evidence as well, particularly "Matilda", which for real seems to be a damn wooki mask. Then there is the whistleblower that was on the project, I think his name Justin, relaying a damning conversation he'd had with Ketchum regarding the results she'd obtained.
Not that the whole project is necessarily bogus, I think especially in the early days when Paulides was involved with it they were doing some great investigative work. His early bigfoot book is supposed to be quite informative that he wrote before moving into the 411 business.
Anyway I have to believe that for a long time there have been government and/or government-sponsored interests that know a hell of a lot about the hairy men and have had a proper supply of both live and dead hairy men sequestered away to analyse at their leisure.
There is even one testimonial from a former SAS that said he overheard in the field one of these men (a civilian there with tracking equipment to find the rogue sasquatch for the SAS team) saying to himself "he won't believe we have another one", "he" being his colleague back at the secret US Department of Hominology or whatever he's a part of, and "another one" referring to the sasquatch the SAS team had just killed and was lying on the ground in front of them. I'm would put my money on there being some kind of shadow Australian Department of Hominology based out of Sydney.
This issue of what they are and where they come from sure is a mysterious question to the rest of us though! I'd love to know the answer.
I see you're from WA. I lived in Perth for a few years back 20 years ago. Are there yowie down south WA towards Denmark, because I had what I think might have been a yowie encounter down that way back in about 2000. It was always a mystery to me until I learnt about the hairy men. There is an AYR audio report of yowie in the Kalamunda area on the outskirts of Perth.
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Re: May be relevant
Hi Titla,
If you check out the Report a Yowie Sighting on the AYR webpage there are quite a few from WA . The Kalamunda episode occurred in 1983 in the Glenforest area. It's a vast forest covering a huge area of the Darling Ranges. I had an interesting experience back in the mid '80s my car burst a water hose in the exact same area that two or three Yowies were reported along a gravel and after repairs, I had to venture 100 metres into the forest to retrieve some water from a stream to fill up the radiator I was on my own and this was one o'clock in the morning and that's one hell of scary place at that hour. No Yowies to report although at the time I didn't have much of an idea what a Yowie was apart from chocolate bars.
The Coral bay report from 1991 is a must-read. Don't know about Denmark but there have been sporadic reports throughout the south-west.
If you check out the Report a Yowie Sighting on the AYR webpage there are quite a few from WA . The Kalamunda episode occurred in 1983 in the Glenforest area. It's a vast forest covering a huge area of the Darling Ranges. I had an interesting experience back in the mid '80s my car burst a water hose in the exact same area that two or three Yowies were reported along a gravel and after repairs, I had to venture 100 metres into the forest to retrieve some water from a stream to fill up the radiator I was on my own and this was one o'clock in the morning and that's one hell of scary place at that hour. No Yowies to report although at the time I didn't have much of an idea what a Yowie was apart from chocolate bars.
The Coral bay report from 1991 is a must-read. Don't know about Denmark but there have been sporadic reports throughout the south-west.
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Thanks sensesonfire. Be thankful at the time of your breakdown you didn't know about yowies 
This incident didn't happen right down at Denmark, it was somewhere in the middle of nowhere between Perth and Denmark. I couldn't say exactly where though. It was like you said, south-west region.
At the time I was in my early 20s doing uni in Perth. I had been developing an ever increasing very serious chronic daily migraine condition and was going from treatment to treatment looking for relief.
At one stage a physician suggested that as I'd ruled out most physical causes, it could be an emotional issue. He suggested doing some emotional purging work (emotions ended up not having anything to do with it).
So I got in my car and drove south searching for a spot I could shout my head off where I wouldn't be heard. Ended up being surprisingly difficult to find such a spot and I drove a good portion of the way towards Denmark.
Eventually in the middle of the night I made it to somewhere in the middle of nowhere and got out of my car and began to shout to the hills. Bush everywhere around for miles, no seeming possibility of human presence anywhere for miles.
I was going at it for a good 20 minutes when in the bush ahead of me I started to hear these stomping footsteps pacing back and forth through the thick brush. It was making quite a racket. At first I thought it must be a kangaroo going back and forth, then after more of it I thought instead it sounded more like a biped human not being shy, as it seemed a bit too directed and systematic in it's pacing to be a kangaroo. And the footfalls just sounded more like a biped than a kangaroo.
It was pretty obvious whatever it was was was there because of me and my shouting and was kind of checking me with it's stomping through the heavy brush. It would stop for a bit, then start at it again, then stop for a while, then go again. I wasn't leaving and didn't leave for probably 15 minutes from the time it turned up.
After the fact I put it down to a mystery as I could hardly accept that a human would be out where I was. And at the time I knew nothing of yowies so that wasn't an option.
As for the kangaroo theory, I'm not real familiar with their behaviours and am not sure if a kangaroo would actually be checking someone like that who was shouting in such a way. Any idea on that score?
This incident didn't happen right down at Denmark, it was somewhere in the middle of nowhere between Perth and Denmark. I couldn't say exactly where though. It was like you said, south-west region.
At the time I was in my early 20s doing uni in Perth. I had been developing an ever increasing very serious chronic daily migraine condition and was going from treatment to treatment looking for relief.
At one stage a physician suggested that as I'd ruled out most physical causes, it could be an emotional issue. He suggested doing some emotional purging work (emotions ended up not having anything to do with it).
So I got in my car and drove south searching for a spot I could shout my head off where I wouldn't be heard. Ended up being surprisingly difficult to find such a spot and I drove a good portion of the way towards Denmark.
Eventually in the middle of the night I made it to somewhere in the middle of nowhere and got out of my car and began to shout to the hills. Bush everywhere around for miles, no seeming possibility of human presence anywhere for miles.
I was going at it for a good 20 minutes when in the bush ahead of me I started to hear these stomping footsteps pacing back and forth through the thick brush. It was making quite a racket. At first I thought it must be a kangaroo going back and forth, then after more of it I thought instead it sounded more like a biped human not being shy, as it seemed a bit too directed and systematic in it's pacing to be a kangaroo. And the footfalls just sounded more like a biped than a kangaroo.
It was pretty obvious whatever it was was was there because of me and my shouting and was kind of checking me with it's stomping through the heavy brush. It would stop for a bit, then start at it again, then stop for a while, then go again. I wasn't leaving and didn't leave for probably 15 minutes from the time it turned up.
After the fact I put it down to a mystery as I could hardly accept that a human would be out where I was. And at the time I knew nothing of yowies so that wasn't an option.
As for the kangaroo theory, I'm not real familiar with their behaviours and am not sure if a kangaroo would actually be checking someone like that who was shouting in such a way. Any idea on that score?
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Het Titla- that is really funny. Whatever it was must have been wondering what the hell you were doing. You'd think a Roo would take off at such a racket right? 
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Haha yep yowiebait it must of been quite a wtf moment for whatever it was as I shouting as loud as I could for quite a while. Being a natural prey item I wouldn't have thought a kangaroo would be going towards a display like that either. I guess it is a funny event lol
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You would have got a good scream in if a hairy bloke came running out of the bush!Titla wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 pm Haha yep yowiebait it must of been quite a wtf moment for whatever it was as I shouting as loud as I could for quite a while. Being a natural prey item I wouldn't have thought a kangaroo would be going towards a display like that either. I guess it is a funny event lol
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Yowies probably like a beer as much as the next man (hairy or not), and heard that you were shouting . . .Titla wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 pm Haha yep yowiebait it must of been quite a wtf moment for whatever it was as I shouting as loud as I could for quite a while. Being a natural prey item I wouldn't have thought a kangaroo would be going towards a display like that either. I guess it is a funny event lol
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?????gregvalentine wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:07 pmYowies probably like a beer as much as the next man (hairy or not), and heard that you were shouting . . .Titla wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 pm Haha yep yowiebait it must of been quite a wtf moment for whatever it was as I shouting as loud as I could for quite a while. Being a natural prey item I wouldn't have thought a kangaroo would be going towards a display like that either. I guess it is a funny event lol
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Maybe putting food out has been the wrong approach?gregvalentine wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:07 pmYowies probably like a beer as much as the next man (hairy or not), and heard that you were shouting . . .Titla wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:34 pm Haha yep yowiebait it must of been quite a wtf moment for whatever it was as I shouting as loud as I could for quite a while. Being a natural prey item I wouldn't have thought a kangaroo would be going towards a display like that either. I guess it is a funny event lol
Just yell into the woods "I'll cover this round" and watch them march out with schooners in hand.
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]Dion wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:48 pm?????gregvalentine wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:07 pm
Yowies probably like a beer as much as the next man (hairy or not), and heard that you were shouting . . .
Oh dear, do you REALLY need that bit of silliness explained to you?
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They certainly take offense to AC
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Played loudly late at night .
Although it does attract them its usually a large pissed off male that responds .
It's enough to make one leave a camp in a hurry and just abandon all your equipment and return to town .
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DCPlayed loudly late at night .
Although it does attract them its usually a large pissed off male that responds .
It's enough to make one leave a camp in a hurry and just abandon all your equipment and return to town .
Just saying !
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I know you well enough now Greg to know that most of your posts are jokes.gregvalentine wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:01 pm]Dion wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:48 pm?????gregvalentine wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:07 pm
Yowies probably like a beer as much as the next man (hairy or not), and heard that you were shouting . . .
Oh dear, do you REALLY need that bit of silliness explained to you?
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