Territory Tales Cliff Barackman

[gregvalentine]

Linked from Sasquatch Chronicles - an interesting and informative 50 minutes I thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7GlAew1Olw

[ripperton]

I cringed a few times.
Hes got a fair way to go.

[gregvalentine]

I cringed a few times.
Hes got a fair way to go.

With your obviously unassailable deeper level of knowledge and understanding, would you care to elucidate?

[Titla]

I liked it Greg, thanks for the link. I can see some having issue with his "flesh and blood bigfoot" assumption, or the "robust Australopithecus" one. I thought his logic on that score was good, but I am a flesh and blood kinda guy

On the flesh and blood score, I would like to think they're of the genus homo, but I find it hard to get around the fact they're not prolific fire and tool users like the homos.

I don't think they're as primitive as robust Australopithecus, as they basically had the brain of a chimp. But I would go along with something in between a homo and a robust Australopithecus, I think that's what he's aluding to anyway, a close offshoot of robust Australopithecus.

[Titla]

Before the gorilla was discovered some believed they had paranormal attributes as as well.

[Titla]

By "paranormal" I mean outright magical.

[ripperton]

With your (obviously unassailable) deeper level of knowledge and understanding, would you care to elucidate?

Detecting sarcasm here .
First I have to commend Cliff on making a "BigFoot theme park". It will advance public understanding and acceptance.
Cliff goes full speed into the existence of BigFoot like its common knowledge but then hits a brick wall when he says they are not
Supernatural and they have the same IQ as humans only oriented differently. (cringe)
Mike Paterson is the only other researcher I know who can understand that they are supernatural.

[Titla]

I'm pretty new here but so far I'm getting the impression the "mortal flesh and blood bigfoot" (cringe) camp is in the distinct minority here on the AYR forum. Survey would be interesting.

[Dean Harrison]

Thank you for this Post. I found it both interesting and obvious.

Cliff is well conditioned for public speaking, and he conducts himself so very well here. What he says in the first part, is along the lines of what I have said for years.

He is a charismatic and natural speaker. Good interview.


DMH

[sensesonfire]

With your (obviously unassailable) deeper level of knowledge and understanding, would you care to elucidate?

Detecting sarcasm here .
First I have to commend Cliff on making a "BigFoot theme park". It will advance public understanding and acceptance.
Cliff goes full speed into the existence of BigFoot like its common knowledge but then hits a brick wall when he says they are not
Supernatural and they have the same IQ as humans only oriented differently. (cringe)
Mike Paterson is the only other researcher I know who can understand that they are supernatural.

I'm with you ripperton Cliff Barackman and his fellow Finding Bigfoot cohorts are the biggest bunches of Bigfoot know-alls I have come across. You dare not disagree with them especially Matt Moneymaker the show itself is a joke and thousands would agree. They pride themselves on the fact that they have been out in the field searching for Bigfoot for going on 30 years and what have they got to show for it? absolutely nothing. They have traipsed the length and breadth of the US as well as overseas excursions and all they've got is footprints, wood knocks supposedly hair samples but no images of note. HaHa.

The moment that witnesses mention the paranormal( and there are plenty of them) they turn off with unequivocal arrogance. I remember an episode of FB. where the crew had the permission of the Native American custodians to investigate on Mount Shasta, California. Bobo and Ranae were stunned to witness green orbs appear out of knowwhere in a Bigfoot hotspot They both admitted they were lost for words couldn't explain it. - something of a miracle.
Here is the actual episode 87 6 "Supernatural Bigfoot"[4] March 31, 2016
The team joins a paranormal investigation group in Mount Shasta, California, except for Bobo, who joins the SBC for the week. Correction Bobo was in this episode he paired up with Ranae. Myself like many others gave up watching Finding Bigfoot some time ago.

[sensesonfire]

I'm pretty new here but so far I'm getting the impression the "mortal flesh and blood bigfoot" (cringe) camp is in the distinct minority here on the AYR forum. Survey would be interesting.

Hi Titla, you are correct. The big surge in beliefs in the US is that they have definite paranormal abilities. I'm saying they can combine both elements of the physical and supernatural I'm not sure about the mortal flesh and blood bit at least not in the physiology we humans understand. Getting a little sidetracked here but I've read stories of US and Canadian train drivers claiming to have hit Bigfoot on railway lines and have witnessed a clump of bloodied pulp. I think it's a case of mistaken identity for bears. I cannot believe that Sasquatch/Yowies known for their phenomenal speed could find itself trapped on a narrow gage of railway line unable to escape a slow-moving train it just doesn't ring true.

You only have to look at AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion to realise like in the US there's a growing interest in the paranormal/supernatural aspect of these creatures in Australia as well.
Here is an interesting read http://weekinweird.com/2016/12/08/bigfo ... een-flash/

[aaq]

I recently (two weeks ago) read Hunt for the Skinwalker. If anybody hasn't read it already it's a really interesting read.

The final thoughts in the book talk about quantum mechanics. Interestingly in the news recently they are starting to take quantum mechanics into new experimental territory, for eg https://m.phys.org/physics-news/quantum-physics/

Some of the accounts in the book describe things that really just shouldn't be there, eg large wolf, large hyena, sasquatch, through to futuristic humanoids. Without jumping to too many conclusions, there seemed to be the ability to bridge/jump time and space (eg prehistoric hyena suddenly appearing/disappearing on the ranch in Utah).

As you say senses, people seem to be comfortable-ish with a flesh and blood primate/human hanging out in remote places though the lack of evidence is frustrating. People tend to find the supernatural step more difficult.

I still don't know what to believe, but I am certainly a lot more open to other theories than I was before reading that book.

[Titla]

I'm pretty new here but so far I'm getting the impression the "mortal flesh and blood bigfoot" (cringe) camp is in the distinct minority here on the AYR forum. Survey would be interesting.

You only have to look at AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion to realise like in the US there's a growing interest in the paranormal/supernatural aspect of these creatures in Australia as well.
Here is an interesting read http://weekinweird.com/2016/12/08/bigfo ... een-flash/

Don't think the forum needs a fringe conjecture paranormal section anymore, it needs a 'mortal yowie flesh and blood' section

[Tuckeroo]

I'm pretty new here but so far I'm getting the impression the "mortal flesh and blood bigfoot" (cringe) camp is in the distinct minority here on the AYR forum. Survey would be interesting.

You only have to look at AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion to realise like in the US there's a growing interest in the paranormal/supernatural aspect of these creatures in Australia as well.
Here is an interesting read http://weekinweird.com/2016/12/08/bigfo ... een-flash/

Don't think the forum needs a fringe conjecture paranormal section anymore, it needs a 'mortal yowie flesh and blood' section

Hi Titla, Welcome to this site and its incredible knowledge base, general disputations and occasional weirdness.
You don’t have to go to the library or prowl the internet for info on cryptozoology, mythology, psychology,
anthropology, cosmology and dare I say pop culture, it’s all here somewhere if you have the time and patience
to dig back in the forums presented over the years.

As for the flesh and blood or paranormal argument, it's the one thing that divides the crypto community down the middle.
There’s a big enough gulf between the general public and those that believe in Yowies without creating another division.
As ‘Senses’ stated in the last post, maybe the paranormal position is becoming the default as research progresses,
the point being that you can’t research cryptozoology without having a paranormal point of view.

For me personally I’ve always felt uncomfortable about taking a position one way or the other, this is even after
acknowledging the bulk of evidence I've read supporting the paranormal. Yes this may make me a boring fence sitter
but I save mental energy by not having to update or reassess what I believe.

I would rather the paranormal be an aspect of research rather than a position to take.

One thing I’ve noticed, there is a lot more subjective emotion attached to the paranormal defenders than the more
objective flesh and blood believers.
This may be because they have experienced something paranormal in their lives that now confirm what they believe.

As for your tick bite, I know when I've had grass ticks on me I give them a good soak for a few minutes with
tea tree oil and they eventually fall off. Drip it on from the end of a cotton bud 3 or 4 times but don’t press
against the tick or it will dig in further.

cheers

T.

[Titla]

Cheers Tuckeroo and thanks for the words of wisdom and interesting tick recommendation.

Being a conspiracy/UFO/paranormal buff from way back I'm not actually ideologically opposed to the parnormal per se. I can be as woo as they come. It just that without going into details, on the subject of the hairy man I don't see how the vast majority can be preternatural beings given what's generally reported of them from witness accounts. Perhaps there are mimics or transfigured versions getting around that account for the more obvious preternatural bigfoot reports, it's hard to say.

In any event I agree there's no need for bad blood between the two camps and I don't take exception with people having one position or the other. I won't malign a paranormal witness or researcher for replaying such a position, or for having conviction about it. Problem for me is those from one position attacking or belittling witnesses or researchers with the opposing viewpoint.

People should be able to give opposing camps their own space to explore their positions without crashing them. Mutual respect of either position is possible, although to be honest probably not very likely haha.

Cheers!

[sensesonfire]

I think people would love to hear from a scientific point of view myself included just to balance the equation but for years we've waited in vain but to science, it's like mentioning the word that dare not be spoken. Consequently, it is only natural that the believers would seek out another possible explanation.

[Titla]

I think people would love to hear from a scientific point of view myself included just to balance the equation but for years we've waited in vain but to science, it's like mentioning the word that dare not be spoken. Consequently, it is only natural that the believers would seek out another possible explanation.

That's very true. I think the biggest problem with the lack of scientific validation is it requires a professional level of study and funding that is beyond us amateurs. And furthermore, any science on the subject can never be officially validated while government remains the primary funder of scientific research.

Government ultimately works for the mining, logging, agricultural, and recreational industries, which would stand to lose greatly by the official validation of bigfoot. This would also affect our first world way of life, so I think intuitively the people know to enable the censorship. This is the same with war.

In my mind having a corpse achieves nothing. The Air Force captain that shot and displayed the Minnesota Iceman asked academics to come and inspect his specimen, however not one of them would go anywhere near it. Career suicide. And Minnesota Iceman went through the media.

I personally can't see bigfoot being validated anytime soon, or anytime in the foreseeable future. I don't believe in any imminent global paradigm shift or disclosure event, I used to, but I now believe those kind of promises are part of the control.

Bigfoot must have a good part of the human about them for their existence to be such a potential threat to industry. Ultimately it's the people who have the power in this, and the people don't want industry to be interrupted due to how it would affect our quality of life. So many mouths to feed and bodies to house, it would be a global human catastrophe if bigfoot were legitimized, especially for the first world. Good for the world, bad for humans lol.

Obviously the issue goes beyond industry, but I think that's the biggest part of the matter as it relates to bigfoot legitimization.

[sensesonfire]

I've listened to explanations from the flesh and blood camp on the origins of Sasquatch/Yowie I say okay then I throw in the grenade and I ask what's your explanation for the origins of Dogman? never heard of them is generally the answer I get. All this does in my estimation is debase their flesh and blood argument.

[Titla]

I've listened to explanations from the flesh and blood camp on the origins of Sasquatch/Yowie I say okay then I throw in the grenade and I ask what's your explanation for the origins of Dogman? never heard of them is generally the answer I get. All this does in my estimation is debase their flesh and blood argument.

A very good afternoon Senses!

That's a good question and one I can only speculate on, as with the nature of bigfoot. From what I hear Australian indigenous culture doesn't have anything on the dogman, however American natives do, so that could imply a natural evolution from wolf to upright canid just like mammals evolved to be upright. For those who believe a biped canid isn't evolutionarily viable, I'd point to the emu.

They could be an ancient ET/IT creation (I believe ETs are also ITs).

My personal impression of dogman is they are a bigfoot/wolf hybrid.

Could be a contemporary kind of super soldier, although the native American accounts kind of don't fit with that.

Or they could be some kind of half-astral/half-Earth/biological entity, which in my mind implies ET/ITs took something like indigenous wolf and/or bigfoot and hybridized that with their own ET/IT DNA.

With bigfoot, I've always thought that they are indigenous and humans are the ET/IT hybrids, ET/bigfoot hybrids in point of fact ie. Robust bigfoot and gracile ET. After all, humans are the only biological species on the planet that can't survive without technology, even if that's only clothing. We're a mess without it.

Bigfoot on the other hand seems right at home on planet Earth, which to me indicates they're an indigenous Earth species, or at least indigenous in very large part.

What are your thoughts on dogman origins? They're being reported in Australia too. Do you think they're here? I might not be able to respond for a bit as I'm off to the Watagans for a day or two, but I'll be sure to pick your reply up when I get back

[sensesonfire]

Hello Titla,
I can't discuss Dogman on the AYR - Yowie / Bigfoot Discussion Board as it would be off-topic. But on the AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion there is a good story by Scarts - Dogman in Australia and I have covered it on my Evidence Pertaining to The Origins of Bigfoot/Yowie/Yeti especially the last 2-3 pages. Being new on the forum you may not have had time to read too many other topics but these Dogman accounts are a good read. If you prefer I could message you with more detail.

cheers.

[sensesonfire]

I'm pretty new here but so far I'm getting the impression the "mortal flesh and blood bigfoot" (cringe) camp is in the distinct minority here on the AYR forum. Survey would be interesting.

You only have to look at AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion to realise like in the US there's a growing interest in the paranormal/supernatural aspect of these creatures in Australia as well.
Here is an interesting read http://weekinweird.com/2016/12/08/bigfo ... een-flash/

Don't think the forum needs a fringe conjecture paranormal section anymore, it needs a 'mortal yowie flesh and blood' section

Good idea Titla although we could end up with a lot of blank pages if the evidence is required

[gregvalentine]

Don't think the forum needs a fringe conjecture paranormal section anymore, it needs a 'mortal yowie flesh and blood' section

Good idea Titla although we could end up with a lot of blank pages if the evidence is required

Methinks you should engage a wider mindset . . .

[Titla]

You only have to look at AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion to realise like in the US there's a growing interest in the paranormal/supernatural aspect of these creatures in Australia as well.
Here is an interesting read http://weekinweird.com/2016/12/08/bigfo ... een-flash/

Don't think the forum needs a fringe conjecture paranormal section anymore, it needs a 'mortal yowie flesh and blood' section

Good idea Titla although we could end up with a lot of blank pages if the evidence is required

That's probably true considering most of the AYR flesh and blood crowd have likely run for the hills.