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Greetings friends,

I have just uploaded my latest video to youtube.

In this video, The Mythopoetics of Extra-sapiens Hominids, I explore the totemic symbolism and metaphysical phenomena commonly surrounding the WIldman lore both in the traditions of indigenous cultures and contemporary sightings.

It was a tricky thing to articulate but I think I got my main points across. It still left a LOT of room to explore other theories, but theres only so much one man can cover in one hour.

I hope some of you find it interesting and that it helps us all expand and clarify the greater discussion.

Link below.

Thank you.

Bÿrn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-thr6Xqauk

Firstly I fixed up your youtube link so it was embedded properly I dont think the Youtube embed function is working for some people.

Secondly I started to watch your video and about 3:00 minutes in you say you dont "Believe" (with a capital B) in any of this stuff.

Question; as a believer or more to the point a knower (as I have had my own sighting of one of these creatures) why should I bother watching the rest of you video?

Or am I interpreting your non belief in this wrongly?

Dion wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:14 pm Firstly I fixed up your youtube link so it was embedded properly I dont think the Youtube embed function is working for some people.

Secondly I started to watch your video and about 3:00 minutes in you say you dont "Believe" (with a capital B) in any of this stuff.

Question; as a believer or more to the point a knower (as I have had my own sighting of one of these creatures) why should I bother watching the rest of you video?

Or am I interpreting your non belief in this wrongly?

Thanks for your assistance with the youtube link Dion. Much appreciated.

As for your second point;

Im not selling anything so frankly Im not bothered who does or doesn't watch my videos. I'll trust you to make your own mind up. I was just being intellectually honest (which is more than I can say for most "researchers" in this field). I have never seen one of our hairy friends. So despite my fascination with the subject, and my strong suspicions that theres definitely something to it, I still cant be sure, and if I claimed otherwise I'd be a fool or a liar.

And so, no, I don't believe it with a capital B.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Bÿrn

Hi Byrn, I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation and was fascinated by the ideas discussed,
especially the ‘mythopoetics’ angle of things which clarified some of my own abstract thinking on the matter.
I was amazed by how you had the drive and wherewithal to string it all together considering your disclaimer at the start.

It’s unfortunate that Dion became irritated by your disclaimer and questioned your intentions and strangely because of this
was not going to watch it.
All respect to you Dion, I’m also in awe of your own knowledge on many subjects but I don’t understand why total belief
in a subject is a pre-requisite to engage with that subject.

I don’t want to start a fight here but Byrn’s sentence towards the end states ‘I still can’t be sure and if I claimed otherwise
I’d be a fool or a liar’. That sentence struck a chord with me but I would have added ‘to myself’, I’d be a fool or a liar to myself.

I’ve always questioned why I would believe something or not and have wondered why my belief system is by default
set somewhere between doubt and total disbelief. It’s in my DNA, carved in granite, it’s always there.
It’s a deeply personal thing that is hard to alter.

I do believe that you and others have seen the Yowie in the Australian bush. Your AYR royalty as far as I’m concerned.
Why do I believe this: Because you are a primary witness which makes it easier to pass through my rigid belief system.
Unfortunately the further back in time we go to the origins of mankind my natural rigidity chimes in and questions
the maybe so and the maybe not.

I’ve read with amazement the great battle between the F&B’s and P’s on the other thread and wondered why
there has to be that kind of division. I think it all falls apart when one side is frustrated at the others intractability
- the discourse turns in on itself and cannibalises its status-quo.

Is it possible for the believer and non believer to discuss a subject in a civilised and enriching manner ?

Apparently Mercury has stopped retrograding this week so that’s why I felt compelled to write this,
maybe so, maybe not.

T.

Tuckeroo wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:37 pm Hi Byrn, I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation and was fascinated by the ideas discussed,
especially the ‘mythopoetics’ angle of things which clarified some of my own abstract thinking on the matter.
I was amazed by how you had the drive and wherewithal to string it all together considering your disclaimer at the start.

It’s unfortunate that Dion became irritated by your disclaimer and questioned your intentions and strangely because of this
was not going to watch it.
All respect to you Dion, I’m also in awe of your own knowledge on many subjects but I don’t understand why total belief
in a subject is a pre-requisite to engage with that subject.

I don’t want to start a fight here but Byrn’s sentence towards the end states ‘I still can’t be sure and if I claimed otherwise
I’d be a fool or a liar’. That sentence struck a chord with me but I would have added ‘to myself’, I’d be a fool or a liar to myself.

I’ve always questioned why I would believe something or not and have wondered why my belief system is by default
set somewhere between doubt and total disbelief. It’s in my DNA, carved in granite, it’s always there.
It’s a deeply personal thing that is hard to alter.

I do believe that you and others have seen the Yowie in the Australian bush. Your AYR royalty as far as I’m concerned.
Why do I believe this: Because you are a primary witness which makes it easier to pass through my rigid belief system.
Unfortunately the further back in time we go to the origins of mankind my natural rigidity chimes in and questions
the maybe so and the maybe not.

I’ve read with amazement the great battle between the F&B’s and P’s on the other thread and wondered why
there has to be that kind of division. I think it all falls apart when one side is frustrated at the others intractability
- the discourse turns in on itself and cannibalises its status-quo.

Is it possible for the believer and non believer to discuss a subject in a civilised and enriching manner ?

Apparently Mercury has stopped retrograding this week so that’s why I felt compelled to write this,
maybe so, maybe not.

T.

Thats a though provoking post Tuckeroo. I cant understand it all but get the gist of it.

I have no problem with "non believers" but do find it odd that someone can take a stance on "not believing" something someone is telling them even for their own good and even if youve proved yourself many times that you are a reliable and sane person to them. Like a freind or relative you could have known for years even.

Techincally it is actually very insulting to think someone is making something so stupid up or are that insane or foolish that they believe that they did, but i think acceptable as we have all been led to believe that these things dont exist. Even UFO'S and interplanatery life forms which seems a given that there is other life on a planet or two somewhere besides us humans.

It kind of shows how arrogant we are as humans to think we are top dog on our planet and even in the whole universe. Sure Ets and UFOs are more acceptable now that we have similar technology and are exploring space...apparently , but it wasnt long ago that little green men was a thing to ridicule and up there with pink elephants.

Strangely enough i still think cryptozoology is really stupid
which is kind of hypocritical considering i claim to have seen bigfoot and ghosts. I think its because i am conditioned that way, just like everybody else is.

Because of my (alleged) experiences i question science and the authorities. Not in an intellectual capacity like you and some of the other more learned members on here are able to but in my own way i suss things out. It's a 24/7 thing too. Its part of my lifestyle and i dont care what anyone says, well at least about the yowie, because i know. Not trying to be a smartass but i am right and they ( the hardcore sceptics) are wrong. Thats a fact and its as simple as that.

I think i am more likely to let my imagination run a bit wild because i know weird stuff is possible snd things are not as we are told. Also i am more likely to believe someone else as well i suppose.

Meanwhile i check myself everyday and dont seem to be insane and have a steady sometimes dangerous job for the last 20 years or more where i deal with the public a lot and have to make conversation. Just gotta try not to mention the hairy ones. Thats what this forum is for..or is it?

I know alot of people who don't believe in Yowies, but say they still think that this creature could exist. I think for someone to believe totally 100% is either a sighting or an encounter that puts it into their mind what else could it be. I thought why make videos etc about a creature you say with a capital B doesn't exist. Then, you said it's something that your really interested in doing. I've watched bits and pieces of your videos and you do a great job for someone not believing, atleast your honest in saying that. I'm not going to call you an idiot for not believing or say stop making videos about a subject your into. It doesn't bother me that your doing this and not a believer, after all AYR is a forum to discuss the Yowie. I just hope you have a sighting like some of us have. I did not believe in the Yowie until I had my first encounter over 15yrs ago now. Since then I've searched many areas and recorded some interesting sounds. So as long as your honest with your videos I don't have a problem with it.

Sorry all for any confusion, I actually forced myself to watch the whole thing after my above post and was pleasantly surprised, I especially liked the last 17 minutes. I was not irritated by the video but merely wondering what the motives where in creating the presentation after the disclaimer of a non Belief system which I found confusing........other than having a kind of historical point of view to the presentation.....as that's how I interpreted it, does that mean that everything that was taught in the presentation there is no Belief in?

I am still all a bit confused by it and as I said previously am I interpreting something wrong?

OK here we go...

I never intended to suggest that I dont trust other people when they share their subjective experiences.

Ive experienced enough paradigm busting things and am open minded enough to know that theres more than enough room within reality to house countless, extra-ordinary phenomena. If you watch my videos youll quickly see that Im FAR from denying the possibilities of Saquatch/Yowies etc.

I am however frustrated by how often folks in these communities fail to differentiate between things like...

- Evidence vs Proof
- Subjective experience Vs Objective reality (big discussion)
- Wanting something to be true Vs Actually KNOWING it to be so beyond a reasonable doubt
and so on and so forth...

My confession to "not actually believing it" was not just in reference to the relict hominids but to ALL the extraordinary things I discuss in my latest video. IE Magick, psychism, morphic resonance, non-local intelligence etc...

It was only ever meant for me to be as honest as possible about my position in an age of hysterical revisionism and fake everything, and never a commentary on anyone elses beliefs.

Bÿrn Jaoél wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:56 pm OK here we go...

I never intended to suggest that I dont trust other people when they share their subjective experiences.

Ive experienced enough paradigm busting things and am open minded enough to know that theres more than enough room within reality to house countless, extra-ordinary phenomena. If you watch my videos youll quickly see that Im FAR from denying the possibilities of Saquatch/Yowies etc.

I am however frustrated by how often folks in these communities fail to differentiate between things like...

- Evidence vs Proof
- Subjective experience Vs Objective reality (big discussion)
- Wanting something to be true Vs Actually KNOWING it to be so beyond a reasonable doubt
and so on and so forth...

My confession to "not actually believing it" was not just in reference to the relict hominids but to ALL the extraordinary things I discuss in my latest video. IE Magick, psychism, morphic resonance, non-local intelligence etc...

It was only ever meant for me to be as honest as possible about my position in an age of hysterical revisionism and fake everything, and never a commentary on anyone elses beliefs.

I enjoyed your last video or seminar and will watch this too when i get the chance. I dont care if you dont believe in bigfoot. I dont blame you as theres no reason you should. Best we have is a few crappy photos and footprints much like you dont have anything other than teeth for Gigantopihicus or whatever the hominoud flavour of the month is.

There is thousands of witness accounts though. You can take that or leave it but dont expect them to provide evidence since theyre too busy having their reality shattered or running for their lives.

Please let me attempt to clarify even further...


I truly do understand that because of the tensions, stigma and ridicule that surrounds this subject (I too get called a nut job just for entertaining the concept) that folks who have had sightings and interactions are sensitive to feeling distrusted and mocked, but thats not what Im doing. When I said that "I dont believe it with a capital B", I didnt mean that think its untrue. I meant that for now, despite the fact that I openly suspect and want them (relict hominids) to be real, I simply can not lie to myself and say that I KNOW them to be real, in a physical, objective sense. Do you think Id take the time to make 4 videos on the subject if I didnt think there was great truth and importance to it?

To me this is a very simple thing and Im not sure how I can explain it any clearer.

I watch these videos for interest's sake but as for influencing my thought patterns one way or the other they don't. I know all of these creatures are a reality so no amount of evidence either in support of or against is needed but as everybody knows my train of thought has diverted to a different track.

This thread really has the members saying what they think. That's why it's called a Forum.