Yowiehunters Forum

Greg W C Sims wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:35 am Hi Craig

First of all I want to say that I really enjoy both your channels on Youtube,very entertaining indeed,keep up the good work mate!

Yes I agree with you,It can be very frustrating if you let it get to you.

I use to enjoy Mark from Colorado Bigfoot when he first came onto the seen with his giant tree structures he was finding,I had never seen these structures before.
Now all he seems to do is zoom in from afar and make something out of nothing,shadows,rocks,bushes and trees are all Bigfoot and It`s "blatant" and obvious in his opinion.He really talks himself up and you are an "Idiot" if you don`t believe him.

So I stopped watching these types of researches,which there are a lot of unfortunately and the stress levels came down.

My two favorite researches of all time,while unfortunately are not current anymore are David Whaite from Bigfoot research(passed away)and Therusty222.
I have learnt a lot from these two researches,thankfully their videos are still accessible.

Muser wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:10 am That's a tricky one.

It's annoying when someone produces what they describe as evidence...but many can see it is not what they believe it to be. It's worse when they then try to beat their "evidence" into you ad nauseum. This usually ends with a standoff that reminds me of the song by, They Might Be Giants - Whistling In The Dark. LOL!!

Please note ; They Might Be Giants are a great band. (IMO) Nothing to do with the Nephilim. Haha! That was a joke...just a joke...I'm sorry!

On the flip side...people that produce "evidence" that appears to be nothing but blurry blobs and tree stumps might require the most investigation. (Return to the scene and look for the stump, size comparisons, foot prints, hair samples...you know the drill)

Yowies, as far as I can tell, rarely stop for a full length, front on picture. To get one to strike a couple of Mr Universe poses, complete with strained smile and direct eye contact would be great...but hard to obtain.

Then there are the straight up hoaxers. They usually get the best "evidence" because they stage it. They are probably the biggest hindrance to genuine research, but not far in front of those that seem to be sincere, honest researchers...but a little too enthusiastic about posting videos that don't contain much.

At the end of the day...it's a rich tapestry of non conclusive evidence, genuine (if sometimes over enthusiastic) researchers and hoaxers that make up the rich tapestry of yowie research.

I wouldn't get too upset with things. Although frustrating...all you can do is voice your opinion as to why you can't accept someone's "evidence" and leave it at that. Otherwise...you might develop your own mental health issues. They'll drive you mad!!

bassplyr wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:27 am Good thread topic Bushcraft,

Its a tangled tapestry for sure regarding the various players on this subject.

On one hand i think you do have sincere people who honestly think they see something for whatever reason in their photos, post them only to find they are pareidoilia. They're not the bad guys, just mistaken.

On the other hand you have a second category. People who did initially have a good picture of something whether it be a semi inconclusive photo of a yowie or tree structure. They were for real and sincere. But that brief spark of interest gave them attention. The attention might have been a feeling they were lacking or wanting in life before and didnt even realise it. They then go out once their fifteen minutes of fame has worn off and desperately try to keep their sensation going and the post more and more insubstantial work until it degrades into downright dishonesty or even hoaxing. With these types of individuals they've fallen prey to a common human fallibility. Its not excusable though once they cross the line into intellectual dishonesty. I think a majority of very visible researchers unfortunately fall into this category.

Then there are those that are opportunists who see a industry ripe for exploitation. They are outright frauds. I'm always weary of any researcher out there that begins claiming dozen or for some individuals hundreds of sasquatch or yowie personal sightings. Its as if they know these creatures so well that every time they go out into the bush theyre calling in them bigfoots and see them every tiime.

To me i think the best and most legit researchers are those who gained an interest in the phenomena from maybe a personal sighting which then lead them into the research community but have not sought further fame from their sightings. It was what it was. The story doesnt get more grandiose over time. and now theyre on to solid research and gaining as much accumulated knowledge they can on the phenomena by compiling other witness accounts for common data or interesting insights. The owner of AYH fits into this category. He doesnt exaggerate. He doesnt hoax. His research is straight forward and honest. He collects data from other witnesses looking for insight. Doesnt proclaim to be an all knowing yowie guru. He's legit and not intellectually dishonest with his viewpoints.

Another sincere but troubled type of researcher who isnt a fraud or hoaxing but may be misleading themselves are those who only see the phenomena from one perspective or belief. In their efforts to prove sasquatch or yowie they cherry pick data or constantly cast an experience in accord with their personal dogma. They are adamant yowie must be this and they are not open to the entire data set and have blinders on. They see what they want to see and they try to refocus the phenomena exclusively through their personal lense. Most of these people are not bad people either. They just have fallen victim to another common human fallibility. However, whether they are aware of it or not , usually not, they are being intellectually dishonest, at least with themselves by omitting, disregarding or refusing to at least explore alternative viewpoints in their quest for the truth. To them they already "know" the truth and are dead set to prove the world as they see it.


Personally i think most good genuine researchers who study this phenomena can easily sort the wheat from the chaff regarding other researchers and disregard the showman antics of others in the field. They call a spade a spade. They keep it simple but open. They follow the data and keep an open mind so their personal beliefs dont cloud or shade their judgement.

yowiedan wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:35 am I have received many pictures over the years and been asked what's your honest opinion of my picture. I have then taken the time to study the pictures and 99% of the time I've come to the conclusion that it's either a burnt tree stump or Pareidolia. Sometimes it's the combination of sunlight and shadows combining. So when I've emailed back what my thoughts are, the people who have sent me them for my honest opinion get their nickers in a knot. So I don't give any opinions on pictures sent to me, because if you don't say it's a Yowie they get all narky. That is one MAJOR problem in this field. Everybody has their own thoughts of what this creature may be but just because what YOU! think it is or isn't shouldn't result in fights and people posting unpleasant comments about you. Another problem is people who are Admins of Facebook groups. Being an Admin doesn't give you the right to slander or Ridiculing others, especially when they are not in your group. I've found some are jealous and making extremely bad comments about some Researchers who have been on Documentaries or on a Shows about Cryptids. These people should pull their heads in and keep quiet. We are lucky that we in OZ are finally getting some shows made out here. Keep safe from Covid-19 and get back out there in the field once this is over.

Tuckeroo wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:10 pm Hi BAC, I can understand your frustration at what you describe in your post. It all in the end is just product
trying to be sold by dodgy characters. I wouldn’t waste time dwelling on it too much.
It’s always going to be there, your mission is to be not like them.

I’ve never understood peoples obsession with trying to prove the existence of the Yowie to the general public or msm.
Who cares, it’s like the subject that dare not speak its name. We all know something is going on out there
so lets just discuss it amongst the cryptid community instead of this obsession to prove it exists to the non believers,
even if they are our close friends.

You statement ‘field of research has looked ridiculous for decades’ I agree with but may not apply so much if you separate
the areas of research. You are lumping big foot/squatch research together with Aussie Yowie research.
You may do well to consciously separate the two. I see a clear distinction.

I would stick to your original intentions and not become too obsessed by the Yowie during your excursions
into the Aussie bush otherwise you could reach a dead-end in your presentations.
It's this dead-end that causes people to start pretending.
If your in the bush the Yowie phenomenon will always be there so there’s always a chance for evidence.

I see your potential as a modern day Les Hiddons, taking your audience to places they could not get to themselves;
learn about the species of trees you're standing amongst, the types of animals and bird song;
tell us where North is, weather etc. Avoid the shitty loud music and sound effects, embrace the stillness.

You talk well to the camera although the rocking back and forth while your doing it was making me sea-sick.
Your dispute at the moment paints you as someone with integrity, lets hope it stays that way.

T.

Dean Harrison wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:22 pm Who is AYH?


DMH

Dean Harrison wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:22 pm Who is AYH?


DMH

Bluedog wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:29 pm

Dean Harrison wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:22 pm Who is AYH?


DMH

Australian Yowie Helpline.

A group of individuals dedicated to helping yowies struggling with the reality of being socially isolated .