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Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:53 pm
by Bluedog
Rustys dedication and contributions to Australian Yowie research is unquestionable, the time and $$$ Rusty has invested into researching the subject goes to show the considerable lengths he has gone to find answers.
Rustys Youtube channel has always dealt in facts , not unsupported claims ,rumors or crazy bullshit stories.
To Rusty ,you have my upmost respect and I thankyou for the efforts you have gone to trying to prove the existence of the yowie.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:51 pm
by Searcher
I feel sorry for you, Neal Burgstahler. Is accusing Rusty of being part of a ‘government mole scam’ the best you can do? It must be a modus operandi as you threw the same ludicrous accusations at bassplyr not long ago.

As far as serious researchers go, in my opinion, you are not even qualified to tie Rusty’s bootlaces. I have watched and marvelled at the professionalism of Rusty’s YouTube Yowie investigation videos. Suggest you also watch and learn from one of Australia’s most respected researchers. I have also laughed out loud after watching some videos you were involved in.

No themanfromglad… we will not cop people posting as fact loads of totally unproven stories with zero evidence and then putting the onus us to prove they are false. That’s not on.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 am
by themanfromglad
I have not been involved in any videos, so your attack is without merit. One of the great scams in Bigfoot research in the U.S. is Rusty's scam. Basically, they claim that "we are following the scientific method", which of course requires repeated visual proof of everything. By definition, then this scam eliminates all invisible proof because it cannot be photographed. Where upon they bring out there old paranormal buster saying, "if there is no picture, then it didn't happen." Again, that eliminates all paranormal reports, so the researchers get to continue to comfortably believe that the Bigfoot are just another common forest animal. Rusty further ridicules the recollection of experiences, while forgetting that he himself will not hesitate to recollect a field experience if he ever has one. Throwing a lot of money at research, means nothing and does not by itself qualify Rusty as "the great decider". What would qualify Rusty for something, is to cite a specific contribution that he and he alone has made, that potentially can further the understanding in Yowie research. I just cited above, my contribution that I and I alone have contributed to Bigfoot/Yowie research, that allows those that are present in the field, to prove to themselves and themselves alone, that there is something large, invisible and bipedal, that answers to Bigfoot howls, in the boonies. So where is the great Rusty's contribution?

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:55 am
by themanfromglad
Rusty2 wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:59 pm
Are you really going to just sit there and tell us to believe it all ?
This is where you have completely lost focus of my sharing of my recollection. I am not telling you or anyone else to believe everything or anything that I recollect. But your statement here, cleverly attempts to put words into my mouth, that I never said for apparently, the sole purpose of discrediting my recollection. Perhaps, as you stated, that you find it so incredible. In the U.S. and among experienced paranormal Bigfoot researchers, THERE IS NOTHING INCREDIBLE ABOUT TALKING TO A BIGFOOT. So you drew the wrong conclusion about my experience in that category, and then thought to expand it to include apparently, all of my recollections, and contributions. When your original basis was without merit. Now, I will consider that you live in another country and the Yowie may very well not be interested in making friends with any of you blokes, so the concept of actually talking to one for several hours and have him peacefully remain listening, is beyond your comprehension. Which is not your fault. But perhaps, you ought to try something new and attempt to change the attitude of the Yowie in Australia, one Yowie at a time. Also note here, I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO TRY SOMETHING, I AM SUGGESTING. Big difference.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:38 am
by Searcher
themanfromglad wrote:
I have not been involved in any videos...
More porky pies!

Here's a frame grab to jog the old memory.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 pm
by themanfromglad
That was my almost entirely staged submittal to Rictor Riolo, in his attempt to make some entertaining video of a Sierra kill site expedition, after the fact. This was shot in Oregon, whereas the kill site is 500 miles south. So it was pure comedy, sprinkled with a few authentic recordings of various forest creatures. About the only authentic thing in that video, was the branch break near the beginning. Since Rictor Riolo was 100% into discrediting everyone associated with the paranormal Bigfoot, Justin Smeja and as many other people as he could get on his film. He twisted my contribution recording around, failed to use most of it, and attempted to belittle my knowledge that I acquired in the field. Riolo has since dropped out of the Bigfoot researcher scene because he was unable to make a living off of it or be recognized as an expert, perhaps because he had been camping about 3 times in his entire life, and was deathly afraid that a Bigfoot was going to kill since he was gay. Especially an invisible one. That was meant to be comedy, and certainly not a documentary of any kind. So shoot me.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:10 pm
by Searcher
themanfromglad wrote:
That was meant to be comedy, and certainly not a documentary of any kind. So shoot me.
Don't need to. By denying you have been involved in any videos, you have already shot yourself in the foot! (2guns)

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:12 pm
by Bluedog
I'm sure Rusty knows alot more about the Yowie than he let's on.
If he can't substantiate it he isn't going to present it.
We all are interested in finding answers or we wouldn't be on this site.
Live and let live.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:43 pm
by Bluedog
To Neal, I always find your posts interesting and occasionally thought provoking.
I'm sure you have a thick skin.
I see on American bigfoot forums you have been subjected to some pretty full on abuse.
Like Senses on fire your thoughts, beliefs are 100% true in your reality.
It's not for me to discredit what you believe, but we all reserve the right to question your claims and ask you to substantiate what you say.
I for one would like you post a link to some footage, newspaper articles of Jimmy Carter saying bigfoot are real and paranormal on January 23rd 1981.
This must have been ground breaking and very controversial news in the USA and must have been reported world wide.
If this happened there must be a record of it.
I'm sure if Bob Hawke (Australian Prime Minister) came out and said Bunyips are real to news crews we would have some record of it?
I find it hard to believe that if an American president came out and stated this to news crews we would have no evidence of it?
Or was it totally covered up and swept under the rug?
Please share any proof you may have that this actually happened.
I thankyou in advance for when you share this evidence with us.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:07 pm
by Rusty2
Yowiebait , Searcher , BlueDog , thanks for the support , I appreciate it !
Does everyone have their popcorn ?

themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
I have no credibility?
No , you don't , not here . You haven't presented us with anything that we can judge your credibility or character . IE , we don't even know who Neil is let alone whether he's credible .
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
government mole scam
LOL , your paranoid , your taking this whole subject waaay too seriously and your burning yourself in the process because your too close to the fire .
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
You forgot that you previously attacked me in the exact same way on this forum in the past,
I haven't forgoten anything and you missed the point as usual . I called you out because you were saying things that you couldn't back up (controversial) and you were saying it in the wrong section of the forum .
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
Regarding whether I talked to an invisible presence for several hours or not
Neil , I don't care who you talk to .
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
I really don't care whether you believe me or not, because you don't count.
LOL , Neil , I don't really care what you think and I don't lie in bed at night wondering what some guy on the internet thinks about me . If YOU do then you have a problem
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
Because you are not a person that is interested in sharing experiences, since you have none.
There you go again stating opinions as facts . Pretty obvious you don't know anything about me .
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
You have furthermore contributed absolutely nothing to Bigfoot/Yowie research.
Would you like a shovel to dig that hole a little deeper ?
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
So in your insane jealousy
Wow , I can see I've really hit a nerve . Don't say anything stupid , we really don't want to ban anyone .
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
in hopes of achieving the government mission that you are on,
I seriously think you should see a psychologist .
themanfromglad wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:25 pm
Mark Barton like yourself, is not an authority on anything. He has no idea what entity is mindspeaking to him, so he is unqualified to suggest that it was not a Bigfoot. So it is completely irrelevant what he says in his entire video.
Neil knows best .
themanfromglad wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 am
I have not been involved in any videos
Your exposing yourself .
themanfromglad wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 am
they claim that "we are following the scientific method", which of course requires repeated visual proof of everything.
No it doesn't . The key distinguishing feature of science is falsifiability. All good science is subject to being falsified, or proven to be false, by experimental data or observations. Anything that can not be tested and subjected to the possibility of being proven wrong is not science .
themanfromglad wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 am
Rusty further ridicules the recollection of experiences
I don't recall ridiculing anyone , I may have certainly corrected anyone who states opinions as facts .
themanfromglad wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 am
What would qualify Rusty for something, is to cite a specific contribution that he and he alone has made, that potentially can further the understanding in Yowie research.
I'm not here to prove anything to you .
themanfromglad wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:55 am
the sole purpose of discrediting my recollection. Perhaps, as you stated, that you find it so incredible
No , I find you incredible , as in NON-credible .
Just for the record Neil , I don't hate or dislike you . I am here to perform a function and that is to keep this website credible . It is bigger than me , you and anyone else on here and I'll defend it as best as I can . I'm sorry if you've taken offence to me calling you out but it is my duty . It's not just us one here , there area other people watching and if we don't point the finger at ourselves then someone else will do it for us .
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions Neil but not their own facts . Have a great weekend !

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:40 am
by tomo8r
Soooo ... manfromglad, if you've finished protesting waaaaay to much, can you provide a link to a newspaper article of a video clip to Jimmy Carter admitting to the existence of Bigfoot?

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:53 pm
by sensesonfire
Bluedog wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:43 pm
To Neal, I always find your posts interesting and occasionally thought provoking.
I'm sure you have a thick skin.
I see on American bigfoot forums you have been subjected to some pretty full on abuse.
Like Senses on fire your thoughts, beliefs are 100% true in your reality.
Hi Bluedog,
I like your approach and rationality. Researchers like Neal are never going to be accepted by the F&B only support group no matter what evidence or opinions they lay down on the table very much like myself but I'm not interested if people support my views or not I would like them to see the truth but I don't force people to accept beliefs that fall outside of their own scientific paradigms. I present my research and it's obvious there are many, many thousands of people that are receptive to the Biblical viewpoint.

I have no doubt that themanfromglad has experienced the paranormal/supernatural Bigfoot that other researchers can only dream about I support all the field research that Neil has discovered but where we differ is the origins.
Cheers.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:53 pm
by themanfromglad
In regard to President Carters public statement to TV news cameras, the last time I checked, the fact that the Bigfoot are paranormal, appears to be a top secret that the US Government does not allow to be in the public record that they control. But as luck would have it, President Jimmy Carter is still very much alive and is available for questions. So ask him. And I believe that others have recently asked him the same question so his memory will be fresh on what he stated publicly about Bigfoot. But none of you will attempt to contact him because you are researchers and researchers by definition, are too lazy to research something that they don't want to find out the answer to.

In regard to Rusty's outlandish demand for internet presentable proof of any paranormal Bigfoot experience, that is ridiculous to the point of being absurd beyond all comprehension. Paranormal means invisible. Invisible means that it does not show up on digital video cameras, by definition. If I had stated that a Bigfoot that I talked to for several was visible, then you have the problem that Bigfoot refuse to allow themselves to be photographed, if they have any say in the matter. And then there is the CGI and photoshop elements that can be used to make believable videos and photographs, and I have not even got to all the great costumes out there. Finally, there is never an internet site where someone isn't shouting "hoaxer". So all of you scientific minded researchers have already shot yourselves in the foot, over and over again, so that you now are pushing yourselves around in wheelchairs. In conclusion, it is totally ridiculous for Rusty to demand internet presentable video proof of something that is invisible. Period.

To then use my failure to accomplish the impossible, as reason enough to try and discredit what I have learned and share for free here, well, that is just plain pathetic. And it is fraud. This extension of demands probably has something to do with the reason why Australian researchers, have apparently not yet even thought about talking to the yowie, in order to achieve some type of communication and a better relationship with something that can rip their heads off. It further appears that jealousy of not yet been caught up with the Americans, has struck a nerve as well. But you will all get over it in time, once you inadvertently take me up on my suggestion and do something other than pretend that you are out in the boonies with a dumb animal, that somehow thwarts your every move to document their existence. Hint: they are reading your minds, your thoughts and your dreams as you scheme in camp about how to see one or photograph them. So they are seeing your game plan before you even begin to execute it, which allows them to win at the game ordinarily. Whispering your plans is a complete waste of time. The above is all my opinion of course, that is based on my 16 years of Bigfoot research utilizing call blasting and other techniques to generate hundreds of experiences, some before witnesses such as night shift patrolman for the Quinault Indian Reservation in Washington, Lionel Smith, who was later promoted to run the sherrif's office there. Go ahead and piss on my experience, just to prove how unprofessional you are. And especially piss on my and my alone contribution for describing how to prove to those present, that a Bigfoot or Yowie is paranormal by using the call blasting of Bigfoot/Yowie howls and extremely sensitive microphones. Piss on it all, just to prove that you are unprofessional, are jealous and in all probability will never contribute one iota to Yowie research.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:31 pm
by Rusty2
Get over it Neil

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:11 am
by Bluedog
Letter sent to the Carter Centre (the only address for correspondence with the former President)
Asking him to validate claims made by a Mr Neal Burgstahler, that on January 23rd 1981 that he said to a news crew that "bigfoot are real and paranormal"
Let's see if I get a response?

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:59 am
by Searcher
Good luck with that, Bluedog!

I'd suggest the Carter story is concocted and/or a product of delusional recollections.

Having worked in TV news for quite a few years, I would say the footage, if genuine, would have been immediately copied multiple times and syndicated all over the world. Obviously that did not happen.

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:37 pm
by Bluedog
Yes Searcher I too find it incredibly hard to believe a former US President (Carter wasn't President on the date stated by Neal) could come out and say that bigfoot are real and paranormal in front a news crew and there be absolutely no record of it?
Neal was whining about people pissing on him and his theories in his last post?
Maybe it's time for Neal to stop
pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining!!!

Re: Mark Barton's encounter

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:10 pm
by tomo8r
I have learnt that Jimmy Carter was once attacked by a wild rabbit whilst fishing.

He also saw a UFO and may have upset a Bigfoot whilst visiting some rock carvings to try and understand his encounter.


But no video of him making claims. :(