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Unread post by Pust » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:18 am

Hullo AYR,

I've been reading the forums for a little while now after getting interested in the Yowie phenomenon through a friend. For me there has always been something there, along with other cryptids, but I never gave it a lot of thought. His keen interest in the topic actually reminded me that once, years ago, something very large and bipedal chased me and another mate several hundred metres through thick scrub back to his car. I'll post that story in a separate thread.

At any rate, I'm in the rabbit hole well and truly now, and I've read or listened to most of the experiences here, and plenty others elsewhere. And in reading people's thoughts here and there, I've noticed a split in the community: between those who hard line believe that the Yowie can only be flesh and blood, 'like we are', and that no 'magic' is happening; and those who essentially believe they're godlike beings of pure energy who can materialise and dematerialise at will, shapeshift, etc etc. I might be exaggerating one or both sides, but not by much.

I propose a solution. I've seen Dean say that, given the sheer number of 'spooky' and apparently magical experiences people have had - telepathy, appearing and disappearing at will, apparently projecting fear into every animal around them, etc - it can't really be ignored. Somehow it has to be explained; we can't just say that all these people are hallucinating. By the same token, these are big hairy smelly things that stomp their feet and make screaming noises, and they live in the forest. It seems like a paradox, but it needn't be, if we change a few of our assumptions about what exactly 'flesh and blood' means, and what 'mind' means.

Occult conceptions of consciousness.

Let me be abundantly clear. I am not a New Ager, and I don't subscribe to Wicca or any of that stuff. Oh, it 'works', in the same way any trick on your subconscious works, but that's about as far as it goes. My occult background is among the secret societies, Rosicrucian and Hermetic, whose traditions can be (legitimately) traced back to the Middle Ages, though they invariably claim roots in ancient Greece and Egypt. In these schools you're taught fundamentals of philosophy (logic, metaphysics, etc), meditation techniques, divination techniques, and eventually, plant and mineral alchemy. If there is one major difference between the kind of occult I'm talking about and the New Agey stuff you're no doubt used to, it's that the 'ancient' version hasn't surrendered its critical faculties. Skepticism and empirical enquiry are the only ways to stay sane if you take mysticism seriously.

With that out of the way: we see mind differently. Or more to the point, we see all information processing as 'mind' and reality as a (mostly subconscious) information processor. If I say that all is 'mind', I mean it in the way your brain handles digestion and heart rate, and not the ego consciousness most people associate with the word. Mind as a verb, not a noun, if you like.

The information processor is made of a single substance, and is, in fact, a single object. But it's a special kind of object, in that new properties emerge from it. If this sounds familiar, it's because that's where some theories of physics - particularly, Quantum Field Theory (not the same as Quantum Mechanics!), Causal Sets, and Digital Physics - are heading. Consider an ocean. You can't predict or even produce the behaviour of waves from a singular molecule of H20. It's only when you stack trillions and trillions of them into the same space that you get the emergent property of waves. This, in a nutshell, is what reality is doing. It's one ocean, made of one (functionally infinite) substance, but the substance does things that cause objects to emerge and give us the illusion of separate things with differing properties - separating species of 'animal' is like comparing wave 'x' and wave 'y' and deciding that they are different species of 'water'. It's meaningless from the ocean's perspective - they're not even separate objects.

Reality is, in this view, one big mind (information processor) and all it does is think (compute outcomes). Erwin Shrodinger came to the same conclusion when he said that 'the total number of minds in the universe is one'. And this isn't some Deepak Chopra s#@t either; it's a simple matter of category. Whatever processes information is thinking; what else is reality doing but that?

Telepathy.

I'm going to come right out and say I've experienced telepathy many times with other humans. None were initiated by me on purpose, but on some occasions have been initiated by others on purpose. I can go into this more in PM if anybody is interested - but, relevant to this post, it's exactly as the lady who had a Yowie friend as a child describes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXH6a9dO7M4). Images and emotions, not words. Any discerning skeptic should rightly ask: how?

Thankfully, science has recently made some headway on this and I have a link handy: http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists- ... cal-fields

The crux is this: the 'one substance' is by nature a field, even if we experience excitations in the field as particles and waves and so on. At the base level, one defining attribute of fields is nonlocality (look into QFT for some mind-bending stuff on that). There is no such thing as 'distance' from the field's perspective; there is only distance from the perspective of the pseudo-objects (us) in the field. Thus, a conscious thought happening in my head is happening everywhere simultaneously, but only my brain hears them. You can think of this as being similar to the constant presence of radio waves, but radios only picking up the frequency they are tuned into.

What if a station could force itself into other frequencies? In fact, they technically could broadcast into any frequency they want already. We are all - silly as it may sound at face value - just like those radio stations. We can pick up from or broadcast into any frequency we like, with the right training.

And so can anything else that has thoughts, conscious or otherwise.

Where am I going with this?

The Yowie doesn't need to be a hyperdimensional god being to do telepathy. Fish and social insects are doing it daily. When you're talking about animals, ultimately you're talking about beings very much like us but with the ego layer removed. Imagine yourself without language - without words and symbols and things like that. What's left? Emotions, sensory data/memories. A subconscious mind!

It makes evolutionary sense for social animals to develop telepathic communication (assuming a universe where it's possible, which I do - I realise how silly that sentence may sound to some people). This is especially true for any animal that has not developed language. I would even privately wager that the development of language is why Homo Sapiens isn't generally in on this skill most animals around us seem to use.

Glamour vs Archetype Manipulation - how to dematerialise at will

Wait, what?

These are two kinds of 'magic' in Hermetic occultism which I think shed some light on the Yowie's apparent ability to appear and disappear at will. Again, I don't mean magic in the 'burn a candle and say a poem' sense. And, I'm happy to go into it some more with people in PM - I'm trying desperately to stay on topic here.

Glamour magic is altering someone's perception of the world. So if, as an extreme example, I wanted you to see me with brown eyes instead of blue, I would not change the colour of my eyes. I would, through some techniques that resemble NLP, or telepathy, or both - I would make you think my eyes were brown and then you would see brown eyes. Check out some Derren Brown videos where he swaps people's perceptions of colour around using some basic NLP and hypnotic techniques for an example.

Archetype manipulation, on the other hand, is changing the world. In this case, using the prior example, I would change my eyes to brown. Generally speaking, archetype manipulation takes place through alchemical processes. It is exceptionally difficult and requires a lot of conscious effort, and I have only met one person who can do it - a Master Alchemist with a PhD in Analytical Chemistry.

What I'm getting at here is that the Yowies are probably glamouring you. They aren't disappearing or appearing at will - they are deleting from or inserting into your perception. You think they've disappeared, when in fact all they did was create a Yowie-sized blind spot in your consciousness.

TL;DR

Yowies are, to my mind, likely a relic hominid; a descendant of Gigantopithicus Blacki seems the most likely candidate. They are 'flesh and blood' alright, 'just like we are', but all flesh and blood things are ultimately inseparable elements of a field. Physical, mental, it doesn't matter - it's one stuff, One Thing. Based on what I've read, watched, and heard about experiences with them, they are not conscious like we are. They don't have that ego layer that talks in abstracted syntax (which is the gateway to things like formalised systems of logic etc). In that respect, they are in all likelihood a simpler creature than we are. That said, simpler creatures all over the world seem to be capable of remarkable feats of communication, feats that defy a pure or traditional physicalist explanation. They are communicating with you subconsciously, in the ways they know how - some of these you experience as foot stomping and yelling and so on, and some you experience telepathically.

I'll leave it there now before it gets so long nobody wants to read it :D
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Unread post by Dion » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:47 pm

Interesting post Pust,

I don’t post here often these days but do visit often sifting through people’s thoughts, opinions and experiences related to the Yowie phenomenon. I still have an interest, just not the time for it; if that makes any sense…… I’d rather sit by the sidelines these days and observe. Anyhow…your post caught my eye and seeing as no one has replied I thought I might chime in and say thank you for an insightful and well written post I enjoyed the read.

I can see you took the time to tell it like you see it, and…….. Having a similar background myself, although not so much Rosicrucian and Hermetic, but more of a philosophy and spiritual one I found your thoughts on the subject a breath of fresh air.

I didn’t agree with all of it, but hey, enjoyed the read.

That is all,

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Unread post by Searcher » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:48 pm

Thanks Pust for that very detailed and thought provoking post.

The deep thinking grabbed my attention. I read it through a number of times to make sure I had the gist of what was written.
Looked at both links. I have watched Cherie’s story before on AYR. The telepathy aspect is amazing and this girl certainly sounds believable.

However, until some solid facts are established, it’s still just an interesting theoretical assumption. Just like string theory.

If Yowies, Yeti & Sasquatch are nature’s mind control freaks, Dynamo had better watch out for some serious competition!

To document a Yowie behaving this way on Ultra HD video with a number of credible witnesses would go a long way towards proving a point. The camera doesn’t lie and would be free of any possible influence from a consciousness controlling hairy man. If the witnesses see the Yowie disappearing and the camera continues to record a living being in front of it… Bingo! Active mind control would be proven.

Perhaps this is why Yowies and Bigfoot have such an uneasy relationship with the camera.

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Unread post by Yowie bait » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:14 pm

Hi Pust. I enjoyed reading your post this morning with my coffee and although i cant pretend to understand most of it,i get what you are saying about glamouring and psychic abilities in reference to yowies. I dont really agree or disagree with you. In the experience a freind and i had (at night) ive always thought the thing was messing with our heads intentionally and unintentionally. In just a few minutes or less he had done many bizzare things and appeared in different ways including suddenly appearing standing on two legs then running on four legs, two legs (he ran like a sissy on two legs!) And hunched over. Some very weird stuff when he was up close too and strange noises back at the tent later for even more headfucking.I have reasonable explanations but could see why someone would think it was a shapeshifter or projecting images in peoples minds etc. Also we never felt any dread with the stink . We thought it was great and even made a few fart jokes while we tried to locate the source of the stench which we did! Anyway i hope this is relevent and of some interest. A good laugh for you at least!
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Unread post by Pust » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:29 am

Dion wrote:I can see you took the time to tell it like you see it, and…….. Having a similar background myself, although not so much Rosicrucian and Hermetic, but more of a philosophy and spiritual one I found your thoughts on the subject a breath of fresh air.

I didn’t agree with all of it, but hey, enjoyed the read.
Fair enough, thanks for taking the time to read and respond! What didn't you agree with, if you don't mind expanding? Having practically no experience with them I'm really just speculating second hand anyway.
Searcher wrote:However, until some solid facts are established, it’s still just an interesting theoretical assumption. Just like string theory.
Basically yes - though, we could quibble about how solid facts are established. I think telepathy and other 'psychic' phenomena probably won't yield to the scientific method we have today. There's an almost religious devotion to discounting anything 'subjective'. Which is kind of strange, considering that enlightenment era empiricism was all about personal experience as a means to get knowledge. Buddhism is empirical in that sense too. Somewhere along the way we decided we needed to take ourselves out of the equation and I think we'll have to put ourselves back in to get at all this stuff.
To document a Yowie behaving this way on Ultra HD video with a number of credible witnesses would go a long way towards proving a point. The camera doesn’t lie and would be free of any possible influence from a consciousness controlling hairy man. If the witnesses see the Yowie disappearing and the camera continues to record a living being in front of it… Bingo! Active mind control would be proven.

Perhaps this is why Yowies and Bigfoot have such an uneasy relationship with the camera.
I hadn't even thought of how to test it, but that's an awesome idea! I've been thinking over that last sentence of yours through the day too, and I have a couple of ideas. The first concerns detection and the second, why they're averse.

I think it's possible they can detect the electromagnetic fields being emitted by the devices since most of our electronic technology outputs fields of positive ions, which are hard to find in nature. Assuming these are truly telepathic animals it's not too much a stretch for them to 'sense' electromagnetic happenings and our tech would feel 'foreign'. We also know from a few stories that they don't react well when radio communications are used, which makes me think they're sensitive to those as well somehow. Since all things - light, sounds, x-rays, radio waves, positive ion fields - are on the same spectrum this is as simple as them having access to a very wide band compared to us.

The reason I lean here instead of a purely sensory explanation is that they seriously never end up on camera when you leave them out; ie, I don't think they even come close to the gear. I've seen a number of photos that purport to show them 'peeking' near the edge of the field of vision, but at least a few of these I can easily see are possums, the rest look like small mammals, or dark birds, or nothing identifiable, but always much too small for a Yowie.

No matter how they detect them, I think they avoid them because they're 'unnatural'. Assuming they're a descendant of Gigantopithecus, and assuming evolutionary biology works how we think it does, they've been in an 'arms race' with Homo species for something like 300,000 - 1,000,000 years (the estimates vary crazily). I think hiding from us is instinct for them like running from cheetahs is instinct for a gazelle. We are the only animal that produces objects with 'unnatural' geometry and smells etc - anything they think is 'us' they'll stay out of visual range of as a matter of course. Probably they're still making noises at it from afar like they would if actual people were around, and actually, some of Rusty's videos bear that out.
Yowie bait wrote:Hi Pust. I enjoyed reading your post this morning with my coffee and although i cant pretend to understand most of it,i get what you are saying about glamouring and psychic abilities in reference to yowies. I dont really agree or disagree with you. In the experience a freind and i had (at night) ive always thought the thing was messing with our heads intentionally and unintentionally. In just a few minutes or less he had done many bizzare things and appeared in different ways including suddenly appearing standing on two legs then running on four legs, two legs (he ran like a sissy on two legs!) And hunched over. Some very weird stuff when he was up close too and strange noises back at the tent later for even more headfucking.I have reasonable explanations but could see why someone would think it was a shapeshifter or projecting images in peoples minds etc. Also we never felt any dread with the stink . We thought it was great and even made a few fart jokes while we tried to locate the source of the stench which we did! Anyway i hope this is relevent and of some interest. A good laugh for you at least!
Sounds like a crazy night! I'm curious about the reasonable explanations, if you don't mind sharing. I doubt shapeshifting as well because that's actually changing your physical form; convincing someone your form has changed is a lot easier that actually changing it :).
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Unread post by Yowie bait » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:47 pm

No worries pust. I will put some details up for you when i get the chance. I will have no internet where im going tonight but will get onto it. I think peoples perspectives are all different when they witness something. If a well read christian or satanist saw what i saw they may think they were seeing a demon. A biologist may be fascinated and who knows?, a hardcore skeptic may just have his head explode! All the best to you.
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Unread post by Yowie bait » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:16 pm

Hey pust this is probably similar to what happened to you and your mate.so i told u how me and a mate were looking for the source of the stench. Didnt sense any dread or anything and we hear a sound and look up and see something on a branch on an old dead driftwood tree. We think its an animal but it keeps changing and we dont know whats going on. At one stage its in the shape of an upside down v for example. Anyway were transfixed on this trying to figure it out when all of a sudden theres this huge bi-pedal figure standing there and the branch is ripped off and thrown to the ground with a huge thud. We have enough time to say "its some bloke"or something and the thing screams this freaky scream/roaring noise and scares the absolute c**p out of us then comes at us. Without even thinking we both take off forgetting everthing wed been told about standing our ground etc. I lookback as i start running and its now running on four legs on an angle towards us grunting and snorting like a bull and making a woeful whining noise with its eyes glowing red. In a few seconds its up beside us on two legs again. All this took place in only 30 sec or so from when we heard noise while searcing for the stench source. So hes drawn attention to himself with stink and then the sound to make us turn around then played his bushman parlour tricks to distract us on the branch probably with his elbow or part of his arm or shoulders. He couldve even been standing there the whole time and were mesmerised on thing on branch and he simply stopped the trick and we noticed him. Before we had a chance to react he ripped off branch and screamed and chase was on. It was a huge fuss and a bit of a production on his part and seems it wouldve been much easier to just let us pass by than to go through such elaborate bullcrap. Throw in the unintentional freakout of the bugger running on four legs then two and the freakish size of him and it wouldnt be hard to think it was supernatural but we never did. He also had his own animal stink when close as well as "dreadstink" or whatever you want to call it. Wed also heard about yowies. The scream was too much and we instinctively ran just like they say in some reports.
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Unread post by Yowie bait » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:59 am

Looks like the flesh and blood yowie is triumphant once and for all. Whoopee,lets all go watch the jumping russian yeti to celebrate.
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Unread post by Scarts » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:54 pm

Hello Pust,

Congratulations for possibly the longest and most thought provoking post on AYR for a very long time - years! You deserve some sort of prize (and I'm not being sarcastic). I'll bring this post to Dean's attention.

You know more about the Yowie than you're telling!

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Unread post by wellymon » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:01 pm

Yep as again chaps?

Where!

Can II see the photos or evidence?

Just hear say again eh?

Please show me something, I would love to see something, just a little something, please!

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Unread post by Yowie bait » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:35 pm

wellymon wrote:Yep as again chaps?

Where!

Can II see the photos or evidence?

Just hear say again eh?

Please show me something, I would love to see something, just a little something, please!
Hi wellymon if your referring to me then i can tell you i was a teenage kid sneaking ciggaretes on the beach in the 1980s and doubt i even owned a camera so i have no evidence other than my word and if you dont believe it then its cool with me. I only hope you dont have a similar experience on your property. I shouldnt have posted on this thread anyway. (cries)
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Unread post by themanfromglad » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:39 am

It is difficult to get game camera photographs of paranormal creatures, because our passive electronic game cameras emit high frequency sounds that they can hear and use to locate.

Cameras can on rare occasions, get photos when the paranormal subject is caught off guard, with a hand held camera. In some photos, the paranormal creature has isolated specific parts of their body so that it can be seen from man's dimension, while the remainder of their bodies remains invisible. Thus, ruling out any form of hypnosis or mind control in the creation of documentary evidence of invisibility.

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Unread post by Searcher » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:26 am

TMFG wrote:
It is difficult to get game camera photographs of paranormal creatures, because our passive electronic game cameras emit high frequency sounds that they can hear and use to locate.
Of course this way out theory can not apply to good old fashioned film cameras. :D The famous Paterson-Gimlin film was shot with a 16mm Kodak K-100 using Kodachrome colour film stock. High contrast Kodachrome was designed for home projection rather than for printing, What a Yowie would pick up though, is the fairly loud whirring noise from the windup mechanism when the camera is running. This camera uses 100 foot spools and is capable of shooting very clear footage in long sequences with up to 40 feet on one wind. I still have this K-100 camera and an old Agfa box camera passed on to me by my father. Probably time they went on eBay!
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Unread post by Gavin » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:00 pm

Very interesting theory. Well written. Well thought out.

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Unread post by Rusty2 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:27 pm

[quote="Searcher"If the witnesses see the Yowie disappearing and the camera continues to record a living being in front of it…[/quote]

It's an interesting point Searcher . What if the witnesses saw the yowie disappearing but the camera saw nothing ?

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Unread post by Searcher » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:15 pm

Rusty wrote:
What if the witnesses saw the yowie disappearing but the camera saw nothing ?
It’s just a thought experiment, Rusty. The point is the camera will always record what actually happened. So it is easy to verify. If the camera saw nothing, then nothing happened in reality. That said, cameras have often picked up images that could not be seen when the pictures were taken.

If the witnesses saw a Yowie disappearing, then the conjecture is they ‘may’ be under the influence of some form of mind control from the Yowie to make it seem like they have disappeared. I suspect this is not the case as this unlikely mind effect and subsequent control would need to extend out for a remarkable distance often without the creature looking directly at you. And would a group of say, 10 people all be effected in the same way as an individual?

The simplest answer is that Yowies and their American counterparts don’t disappear in the true sense, but manage to camouflage themselves by doing things like instantly dropping to the ground. Or leaping 50 feet in one bound so footprints disappear. I mean mere humans can leap almost 30 feet… Some of this behavior was noted in the highly detailed Jamison Valley audio report here on AYR.

Yep… I hear you saying the above theory does not adequately explain what you saw. Anyone else throw some light on how these blighters can be in view one second and gone the next? I just can't get a handle on the inter dimensional thing... :roll:

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Unread post by Searcher » Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:36 am

I get regular notification emails from Dr Steven Greer’s Sirius Disclosure group. On Day 3 of his next lecture series in California at the end of February, this topic is listed on the agenda.

- Understanding ET Contact and transdimensional phenomenon - materialization, dematerialization, bilocation, thought/technology interfaces, electronic transdimensional ET Contact and more.

Who knows… maybe there will be some clues for a budding Sherlock Holmes. :D

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Unread post by Wolf » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:11 pm

Well thought out concepts.
Having used some 'Derren Brown' techniques myself I can vouch for how easy it is to distort reality (or rather someone's perception of it).

If the accepted theory of modern man's history is true, then any still-existing hominid has been here longer than us, and therefor adapted and perfected its skills for far longer than us. Also bear in mind we are diurnal, while the hairy dudes are nocturnal. This would make for some very interesting adaptations, perhaps ones we would not even think of in our lighted worlds.

Re emfs, even we humans are very sensitive to them. Turn off your wifi at night and see how much better you sleep. I knew a guy (ex real estate agent) who had half his head missing because of brain cancer caused by using mobile phones. Personally, if I go near high tension power lines I get a splitting headache, and I've had years of being a 'modern human' to adapt.

As to 'cloaking', any skilled hunter (or trained sniper) knows how to disappear from view in the bush, let alone a creature who has perfectly adapted to it. Instinctive knowledge of light and shadow, combined with the perfect natural ghillie suit would make it very easy to move only inches forwards or backwards (for example) and 'disappear'.
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Unread post by Wolf » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:17 pm

Forgot to add as an example... hunters and snipers know to NOT look directly at the target for any length of time.
Ever stared at someone only to have them turn and look at you? Even us 'dumbed down', 'tuned out to the natural world' humans sense when we are being watched.
There is definitely something to this. Some kind of energy is transmitted with our eyes. Who is to say that the hairy mate does not simply 'disappear' in part because he has just taken his attention off us?
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Unread post by Gavin » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:06 pm

Yes attention is the key. If you have a dog you should know. They know when you're looking at them and vice versa.

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Unread post by wellymon » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:29 pm

Wolf wrote:Forgot to add as an example... hunters and snipers know to NOT look directly at the target for any length of time.
Ever stared at someone only to have them turn and look at you? Even us 'dumbed down', 'tuned out to the natural world' humans sense when we are being watched.
There is definitely something to this. Some kind of energy is transmitted with our eyes. Who is to say that the hairy mate does not simply 'disappear' in part because he has just taken his attention off us?
Great post Wolf.
I honestly think your right here, maybe this is what has been happening to myself as of late.
So tuned into a spectrum, realm, maybe i'm seeing stuff?

But saying that, who knows what is out there, after 20 million years?
Exactly what Rusty has stated in another thread?

IMO Rusty has said something that to myself, feels real;)

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Unread post by Wolf » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:14 pm

Gavin wrote:Yes attention is the key. If you have a dog you should know. They know when you're looking at them and vice versa.
My dog literally reads my mind. I will be sitting there on my computer, typing away and think to myself, "I should take the dogs down to the creek for a walk." Maybe he senses my energy begin to pick up or something, but he invariably gets up from where he is laying and comes up to me, starting to get excited. (taz)
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Unread post by Simon M » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:21 am

Pust's post is intriguing, and I agree that a lot of what creates confusion or disbelief regarding this phenomenon is to do with perception. Although I know nothing whatsoever first-hand , I find it reasonable to assume that the Yowie's reported use of infrasound is one possible explanation for the seemingly 'supernatural' occurrences that they're associated with.

I can accept that human perception is manipulable or malleable to a degree, but still find it necessary to find a more mundane explanation for the 'psychedelic' aspects of some eyewitness accounts. Before I'd accept mysticism, I'd accept altered perception based on either sound, or on some other effect being in the presence of one of these creatures produces (the smell people often mention may have some kind of hormonal element to it, or may even cause some people to perceive reality differently, or have a mild hallucinogenic effect on some people).

Just my two cents worth. :)

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Unread post by Wolf » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:36 pm

Thanks Simon for reawakening this old but very good post.

As an addition... I have heard a few times now of people setting multiple game cams aimed at bait. When they came back all the cams were missing the same period of time and the bait was gone.

Perhaps our hairy friends somehow can not only detect emf but also emit it?
The reports of camera batteries going flat suddenly or interference of some kind effecting recorders are numerous.
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Unread post by Simon M » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:08 pm

I really think these creatures have senses which are much different than our own and that electronic equipment is an instant warning to them of human involvement.

If (as some eyewitness accounts relate) walkie-talkies and radios bother them, then maybe any kind of electronic device does. Electric guitars emit 60-cycle hum, all electronic devices have some effect on the local magnetic field and so on - this may be something that's obvious, or even annoying, to these creatures. Just because we're only marginally aware of it doesn't mean that they are.

I think it's likely that they can sense all manner of disturbances to the natural world that we don't even notice.

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Unread post by VicYowieResearch » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:25 pm

Simon M wrote:I really think these creatures have senses which are much different than our own and that electronic equipment is an instant warning to them of human involvement.

If (as some eyewitness accounts relate) walkie-talkies and radios bother them, then maybe any kind of electronic device does. Electric guitars emit 60-cycle hum, all electronic devices have some effect on the local magnetic field and so on - this may be something that's obvious, or even annoying, to these creatures. Just because we're only marginally aware of it doesn't mean that they are.

I think it's likely that they can sense all manner of disturbances to the natural world that we don't even notice.


Simon, that is a bloody good thought! Could explain why its so hard to get the buggers on video!

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Unread post by themanfromglad » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:23 am

Searcher wrote:Rusty wrote:
What if the witnesses saw the yowie disappearing but the camera saw nothing ?
It’s just a thought experiment, Rusty. The point is the camera will always record what actually happened. So it is easy to verify. If the camera saw nothing, then nothing happened in reality. That said, cameras have often picked up images that could not be seen when the pictures were taken.

If the witnesses saw a Yowie disappearing, then the conjecture is they ‘may’ be under the influence of some form of mind control from the Yowie to make it seem like they have disappeared. I suspect this is not the case as this unlikely mind effect and subsequent control would need to extend out for a remarkable distance often without the creature looking directly at you. And would a group of say, 10 people all be effected in the same way as an individual?

The simplest answer is that Yowies and their American counterparts don’t disappear in the true sense, but manage to camouflage themselves by doing things like instantly dropping to the ground. Or leaping 50 feet in one bound so footprints disappear. I mean mere humans can leap almost 30 feet… Some of this behavior was noted in the highly detailed Jamison Valley audio report here on AYR.

Yep… I hear you saying the above theory does not adequately explain what you saw. Anyone else throw some light on how these blighters can be in view one second and gone the next? I just can't get a handle on the inter dimensional thing... :roll:
First of all, film cameras, digital cameras and human eyes, all have a different set of colors/frequencies that they can record. And both cameras and human's abilities vary from model to model, and person to person. Some cameras for instance, can have infrared filters removed so that they pick up infrared light. I also have been standing next to people who could see orbs with their naked eyes, that I could only see through a night vision infrared monocular. The same people claimed to see Bigfoot with their naked eyes, when I could see nothing. So general conclusions about what methods can record certain objects when others methods cannot, are a little more complicated and confusing than described above.

The most common explanation about what enables a paranormal entity to flip in and out of invisibility, has to do with changing their own frequency of vibration. That change in frequency of vibration, may be accompanied with changing the sub-dimension of the 4th dimension that the subject exists in, but not necessarily. Since invisible Bigfoot can throw invisible rocks that do not become visible until after the rock leaves their hand, then the Bigfoot can affect the frequency of vibration of objects that are in very close proximity.

My personal field experience has proven to me that a Bigfoot can be fully invisible while standing within only a few feet of myself. They are not using camouflage, or my mind control, or jumping high into the air. I believe that all paranormal people have this same ability, including the bad ones like reptilians. Which is why it is important to not be even thinking about hurting them, harvesting them for science, or doing anything that does not maximize their enjoyment of the moment.

Which then leads to what do you do when you hear nearby growling but can plainly see that there is nothing to see, which implies that nothing is there. Unfortunately, there in all probability is something there, but invisible. An angry Bigfoot. Reptilians make a continuous raspy type of growl and do not appear to take a breath. Reptilians are real bad news. Which is why it is prudent to take control of the situation to neutralize it, and preferably turn it around into a friendly if not humorous meeting. I have successfully used humor to do exactly that and am still here to share with you about the success of this method. Everyone has their own ideas on how to turn a dangerous situation into a humorous situation. I recommend giving some thought to it now, so that you will be more prepared for it when the situation inevitably comes up.

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Unread post by Yowie bait » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:56 pm

Very interesting themanfromglad. I have been wondering a similar thing in regards to the frequency and vibration in regards to the yowie If possible. Maybe this could explain the way some people who have observed them describe the yowies/bigfoot faces and structure constantly changing.
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Unread post by themanfromglad » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:49 pm

Yowie bait wrote:Very interesting themanfromglad. I have been wondering a similar thing in regards to the frequency and vibration in regards to the yowie If possible. Maybe this could explain the way some people who have observed them describe the yowies/bigfoot faces and structure constantly changing.
I believe that what you are referring to falls into the realm of shape shifting. Native Americans have reported that Bigfoot shape shift into other animals, or shape shift into being able to run in quadrapedal motion, as if they are suddenly a bear. Of course, I can't leave out the 3 witnesses that I know of, of a Bigfoot shape shifting into a visible orb, and continuing on it's way.

In conclusion, if only one Bigfoot can be invisible or shape shift, then no blanket statement can be made that the Bigfoot are flesh & blood 24/7.

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Unread post by Yowie bait » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:54 am

themanfromglad wrote:
Yowie bait wrote:Very interesting themanfromglad. I have been wondering a similar thing in regards to the frequency and vibration in regards to the yowie If possible. Maybe this could explain the way some people who have observed them describe the yowies/bigfoot faces and structure constantly changing.
I believe that what you are referring to falls into the realm of shape shifting. Native Americans have reported that Bigfoot shape shift into other animals, or shape shift into being able to run in quadrapedal motion, as if they are suddenly a bear. Of course, I can't leave out the 3 witnesses that I know of, of a Bigfoot shape shifting into a visible orb, and continuing on it's way.

In conclusion, if only one Bigfoot can be invisible or shape shift, then no blanket statement can be made that the Bigfoot are flesh & blood 24/7.
Yeah i would like to see that. I was thinking of just the face changing as ive heard described before. Face shifters? I guess anything isnt out of bounds if people have seen them change into orbs and levitate.

I will concede that they emit light from their eyes as i dont think what ive seen was eyeshine.
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