Whats the Yowie Belief Split Percentage, downunder?

[doctorscream]

Of the believers, what percent are certain that the Yowie is 24/7 flesh and blood?
What percent are certain the the Yowie is interdimensional, and can exist in man's dimension any time he wants?
What percent are not certain?
I won't tell you what I know from personal experience, as I don't wish to taint this informal survey.

[Dion]

Hey doctorscream

I personally think they may have both abilities F&B and Paranormal check out these threads for more info, I definitely think they have paranormal abilities and that’s coming from my own personal experience

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Send me a PM if you wish to speak privately on the matter I would really like to hear your thoughts and experiences as I’m sure every one else here would like to hear them.

[doctorscream]

I have essentially, confirmed 2000 years of North American Native American legend.
The Bigfoot appears to have 3 separate phases. Each phase can exist in any number of dimensions, including man's dimension. Since the Bigfoot are normally friendly unless fired upon, there is no great reason to be concerned about their supernatural abilities.
There is the standard 3 dimensional bipedal phase, in which they can exist in man's dimension, in a favorite invisible dimension once removed from man's dimension where they can do everything as if they were in man's dimension, and in an invisible favorite dimension twice removed from man's dimension where they can walk through trees and brush, and have only a few ounce of foot pressure on the ground. Every dimension beyond that, they just float. They can also cross link these abilities and float while visible.
There is an Orb phase, where they take on presumably a round normally white Orb between a golf ball and large beach ball size. When they fly over as an Orb, is sounds like wind blowing through a screen door. They then circle around and may do a phase change back to bipedal as two foot steps can be heard as they touch down.
And lastly, there is the cloud phase. Clouds can trigger heat and motion sensitive game cameras and be photographed. The photos look like either a fog that fully envelopes the picture or a cloud with an edge to it. I know of expert researchers who have witnessed with there eyes, both the clould phase and the transition from a Bigfoot to an Orb. I have heard the Orb phase and the cloud phase on several occasions. The cloud phase sounds like a small local wind blowing through dried grass, except there is no dust kicking up or grass moving. They use this phase to explore us and the forest, when they are not in a great hurry. They use the Orb phase to explore the forest during the daytime and nightime, when they are in a little bit more of a hurry. They rarely come fully into man's dimension during the daytime in the 3-D phase, since they do not want to get shot, or wish to scare us and lose a potential friend. Bigfoot love to be our friend. It takes no more than a second, for them to make that decision when prodded for an answer.

[Night Walker]

Flesh and blood 24/7. If it walks, eats, sh*ts, and sleeps then it is as REAL. Incredibly elusive but real.

There is much that we don't know about our own selves - humanity's origins and history - let alone what exists in the hard to reach places beyond our back doors.

Eavesdropping our thoughts and dreams? Electrical snaps? Dimensionality? Hmmm...

I am no fan of the supernatural/other-world explanations of the Yowie/Bigfoot issue so will refrain from further comment. Time to release the skeptics...

[doctorscream]

In the States, there is a little problem for the 24/7 F&B crowd of explaining Bigfoot tracks that start and end in snow. Their answer is that there must have been a tree or a rock that they jumped into, when in fact there was no tree or rock. They are in denial of that evidence. The interdimensional answer simply notes that a simple phase or dimension change occured. No big deal. The interdimensional solution explains all evidence and encompasses the F&B phase. The 24/7 F&B solution, explains very little but persists because once you have seen a Bigfoot or Yowie in man's dimension, you have great difficulty in understanding that it can disappear.

[stickyfingers]

I have essentially, confirmed 2000 years of North American Native American legend.

...if you don't mind me asking doctorscream... just exactly how have you confirmed this?... in a book?... on a website?... on television?... however you have achieved this... could you post a link to somewhere so that I can read up on this???... are you some sort of verified researcher within this field?... do you have your own website?... if so could you post the link please my friend???... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[Muppets]

Of the believers, what percent are certain that the Yowie is 24/7 flesh and blood?
What percent are certain the the Yowie is interdimensional, and can exist in man's dimension any time he wants?
What percent are not certain?
I won't tell you what I know from personal experience, as I don't wish to taint this informal survey.

[stickyfingers]

...the first version you posted was the better one Muppets... I know how you feel... Stickyfingers.

[bush baby]

I agree sticky...

[Jo Blose]

You have my attention, doctorscream.

I, as well as others here, (you know who you are) have first hand experience of some of the attributes in the hairy man you mention. I would never have believed it unless I had experienced it. I would never have experienced it unless I had been at this thing in the field for years and years. Perhaps your initial question of "What percentage believes what?", is more apt to "What percentage has experienced what, related to length of field experience?"


I like the way you broached this subject... and I don't disgaree with anything you have said. Some of your postulations have me intrigued though, and like Sticky, I would like to know how you made these findings. I take it, when you are referring to dimensions, you are primarily referring to the 'etheric' and 'astral' planes?

Of interest, I was at a hotspot the other evening and heard a low level growl noise which not only had no fixed point of emanation, but I found myself questioning whether what I was hearing was 'real', meaning I have never heard such a vibration of sound before. How would such an experience compare with your findings with these creatures and sound?

[doctorscream]

Joe, As far as warning type noises, I have heard a growl, a low frequency wu,wu,wu that went on for quite sometime and a raspy throat clearing noise that moved with the invisible biped that may have been either a reptilian or a dogman. Normally after moving my head around, I am able to locate a direction that the noises are most likely to be coming from. As far as your experience of a growl that you could not use your ears to locate the direction, that has me stumped. Perhaps it was above you in a tree, or behind you, as in right behind you but hiding in another dimension.

How do I reach my personal conclusions? I use Gen 3 select alpha night vision to verify invisibility from as close as 4 feet from the subject matter. Can't make many mistakes at that distance. When something makes noise from that close, yet I cannot see anything, I ASSUME that it is hiding in another dimension. Obviously, there is no way to prove something like that so I am not even going to try. My conclusions on 3 phases instead of one, started with my field observations where similar things happened more than once and at different locations. Once noiticing the pattern, I talked to some other researchers who may have experienced something similar, and promptly found several. So my personal conclusions are based on personal field observation that I also obtained confirming observations from other experienced researchers. Of course, I also knew what the US Government knew from their captivity study in the 60's. That top secret report is not available on the internet either. But if anybody wants a copy, they are free to write to the Pentagon, and ask for an autographed copy of that top secret report. Nobody that I know of to date, has been able to get a copy.
Bigfoot is top secret because the Feds don't want the public gaining sufficient knowledge so that a foreign power can attempt to use an invisible Bigfoot as the ultimate warrior. Of course the Feds have been completely unsuccessful at a similar endeavor so far. Most likely because the Bigfoot appear to have a higher moral standard than humans. Since the bar is set pretty low, having a higher moral standard than humans, is not particularly difficult.

[Muppets]

...the first version you posted was the better one Muppets... I know how you feel... Stickyfingers.

Those sentiments I expressed are exactly how it is right now. They would have earned my an instant ban, I'm sure.
Right now, this stuff is less than trivial.
Some people are fortunate indeed that they have the spare time to waste on this stuff.

[stickyfingers]

I have essentially, confirmed 2000 years of North American Native American legend.

...if you don't mind me asking doctorscream... just exactly how have you confirmed this?... in a book?... on a website?... on television?... however you have achieved this... could you post a link to somewhere so that I can read up on this???... are you some sort of verified researcher within this field?... do you have your own website?... if so could you post the link please my friend???... cheers... Stickyfingers.

...doctorscream... I notice that you answered Joe Black who asked you a question AFTER I did... you gave him an answer to HIS question but not an answer to MY questions... hmmmm... something I said???... just in case you accidently overlooked my questions... I've re-posted them in this post so you can't miss them again... thanks my friend... I'm looking forward to your answers... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[stickyfingers]

Those sentiments I expressed are exactly how it is right now. They would have earned my an instant ban, I'm sure.
Right now, this stuff is less than trivial.
Some people are fortunate indeed that they have the spare time to waste on this stuff.

...Amen to that my friend ... Amen to that ... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[BillTheCat]

Well...

I guess the trans-dimensional hyper-yowie is indeed one way to explain it.

I didn't see the link between pan-dimensional, three-phase yowie orbs myself but now that I come to think of it... it's all so clear now!!

Yep, colour me converted... NOT.

[stickyfingers]

Well...

I guess the trans-dimensional hyper-yowie is indeed one way to explain it.

I didn't see the link between pan-dimensional, three-phase yowie orbs myself but now that I come to think of it... it's all so clear now!!

Yep, colour me converted... NOT.

...hmmmm... do I sense some sceptism there Opus... oops... I mean... BillTheCat???... ...cheers... Stickyfingers.

[Muppets]

Well...

I guess the trans-dimensional hyper-yowie is indeed one way to explain it.

I didn't see the link between pan-dimensional, three-phase yowie orbs myself but now that I come to think of it... it's all so clear now!!

Yep, colour me converted... NOT.

Very Douglas Adams.
Explaining a mystery with something even more mysterious, unprovable and unlikely.
The unfortunate thing is, Adams was doing it purely for laughs.

[bush baby]

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[BillTheCat]

...hmmmm... do I sense some sceptism there Opus... oops... I mean... BillTheCat???... ...cheers... Stickyfingers.

Skepticism... yes in bucket and spade fulls with a healthy serving of cynicism based on some of the claims made.

However I do support doctorscream's right to believe in whatever he/she chooses. I'm afraid that I live in a slightly different reality though (not to say that mine's any better).

Very Douglas Adams.
Explaining a mystery with something even more mysterious, unprovable and unlikely.
The unfortunate thing is, Adams was doing it purely for laughs.

He was a great loss to world... I've actually been listening to the radio play again after many years. Still as funny now as it was then.

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To doctorscream:

The intial post was an interesting question and like most things in life I think you'll find the answer is a typical bell curve with:

• A few at the Believer end;
• A few at the non-believer end; and
• A lot of people in the middle who either don't know about or don't care about the yowie.

[Jo Blose]

Muppets wrote:
Those sentiments I expressed are exactly how it is right now. They would have earned my an instant ban, I'm sure.
Right now, this stuff is less than trivial.
Some people are fortunate indeed that they have the spare time to waste on this stuff.

Interesting! We're in the yowie forum on the AYR site, discussing the yowie, and apparently, not only am I fortunate, but I'm wasting all my spare time! Well, lock me up and throw away the key - I'm an oxygen thief! How much time did you waste on that little post, Muppets?

Billthecat wrote:
The intial post was an interesting question and like most things in life I think you'll find the answer is a typical bell curve with:

A few at the Believer end;
A few at the non-believer end; and
A lot of people in the middle who either don't know about or don't care about the yowie.

I agree, Bill. If such a poll was made compulsory for all members on the board to complete, I'm sure the results would conform to the bell shaped curve. I particularly enjoyed your third option which I dare say you fit neatly into, but I couldn't decide whether you'd be one who doesn't know or doesn't care about the yowie...

Sticky,
I think you'll find Doctorscream's statement, "I have essentially, confirmed 2000 years of North American Native American legend.", is an ambiguous and unfinished sentence. Confirmed what? The legend is based on fact, or that the North American Indian have 2000 years of confirmed records on this legend? I'd say though, he was referring to the former, and in that regard he answered it by stating he is a field researcher.

[Muppets]

Interesting! We're in the yowie forum on the AYR site, discussing the yowie, and apparently, not only am I fortunate, but I'm wasting all my spare time! Well, lock me up and throw away the key - I'm an oxygen thief! How much time did you waste on that little post, Muppets?

A lot less than you do, but still too much.

Heres a quick piece of background for you, GI Joe.
I have just got home after the best part of a week wondering if I was going to get my arse burnt off, and looking for those that had.
My job, of which the specifics are none of your concern, required me to head over to Vic. last Sunday.
Let me tell you folk, with all your self importance in this world of quite obvious fantasy, my tolerance of such unmitigated nonsense as this thread, even this whole site represent, is at an all time record low.
Life and liberty are too short and precious to be squandered debating your brand of self righteous fantasy frogshite.
I came here after having a damn good giggle about it with Marius, and perhaps to add to the voices of sanity and reason, but the shine of that has well and truly departed.
My light weight, no brainer source of cheap laughs just isn't funny anymore, just pathetic really.

I had a firm grip on reality before last Sunday, but by christ, its got a lot firmer.
Get a grip, all of you. You owe it to yourselves and your families.

[Night Walker]

My apologies, but I can no longer refrain from posting again on this issue.

I think the crux of the issue is whether Yowies/Bigfoot/Sasquatch etc. exist in an unconfirmed biological form - unknown or thought-to-be-extinct hominid(s) - or as some forever-elusive paranormal/dimensional entity - spirits/faeries or the like.

It cannot be both.

I have stated very clearly on where I stand on this matter and all this supernatural mumbo-jumbo drives me crazy. It really makes a mockery on the legitimate search for one (or more) unknown species across 5 continents. It doesn’t drive our understanding forward. It drags it into the realms of the absurd.

Yes - some reported aspects of the Hairy Man phenomenon cannot be explained in a conventional way. That does not mean we have to grasp at straws. Until we have an actual specimen all we can ultimately do is obtain and examine objective physical evidence - clear photo or film evidence, distinct audio, footprint cast - in order to gradually put the pieces of the puzzle together. That of which we can’t yet understand we should leave open but we should also actively resist such fanciful explanations .

Witness accounts are ultimately subjective. It is not uncommon for people to make mistakes in how they both observe, interpret and remember an event. Witness accounts can reveal a wealth of information but they are not the be-all-and-end-all. Furthermore, subjective analysis within such reports should be treated with a large amount of caution

WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE TO FEEL THE NEED TO TRY TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING THAT IS REPORTED.

If you are devoted enough to be a field researcher then I support you. However, if the best you can come up with when confronted with something you can’t explain is to turn to the supernatural then you are a liability to the cause.

Hard words but true. I call it as I see it. There appears to be too many yes-men on this forum which encourages this supernatural nonsense.

So, let us all state where we stand on this…

[doctorscream]

I am starting to get this gut feeling that night walker may be in the "non-believer camp". A couple of good followup questions for any non-believer are; 1) do you often camp out in the forested areas around water, where no one else camps? And 2) do you own a decent pair of night vision monocles to verify that what is standing in your face, as ascertained by the rhythmic deep breathing audio that your ears are intaking and the hot air hitting the top of your head, actually appears to be invisible? Most people who never camp in unimproved areas, are complete non-believers.

As for attempting to general assist stickyfingers in his search for the truth, I will try and provide some general guidance. First of all, Native Americans who still live on their respective reservations and respect the word of their elders, are generally of the knowledge that the Bigfoot are spirit people. "Spirit" implies invisibility. I have spoken with members of a number of tribes, and the tribes that have sold off their land and spread to the winds, have often lost the knowledge of their elders. Some tribes still have a "vision quest". That is a ceremony to become warriors, in which the Bigfoot entertain the participants with a visual Orb show, after the participants have sufficiently starved and chanted their way into being barely conscious. The Bigfoot aim to please, and enjoy joining in on the festivities.

As for my opinion of the 3 phase/interdimensional Bigfoot, that concept is not in any book that I am aware. Some current books on the interdimensional Bigfoot are:
The Locals by Thom Powell
The Psychic Sasquatch by Lapseritis

A book on the mechanics of interdimensional changes of biological beings is:
X3 by Adrian Dvir

The only video that I know of that mentions the Orb phase of the Bigfoot is a 20 minute version on Issue #6 on this page:
http://www.wholphindvd.com/issues/
You will have to contact the creator if you want the full length version to appear in an independant film festival near you.

I understand that both paranormal researchers Kewaunee Lapseritis and Henry Franzoni, will have their own books that come out within the next year. Kewaunee is apparently plagued by both CIA and NSA people who pressure him to shut up. Franzoni was taught by black-ops NSA persons about all the secret Bigfoot stuff. Like that the Bigfoot materialize inside of nuclear reactor control rooms, to warn of problems, because they don't want all of the dimensions to be blown up either. But I heard that back in 1975, from a Bectel Engineer who worked on nuclear reactor facilities. That is old news.

From personally interviewing the top BFRO people in 2004, all of the top people candidly state that Bigfoot is paranormal but that they will deny it if asked outside of the expedition that we were on. The BFRO uses thermal cams which appear to have the ability to see the Bigfoot floating and moving in the first favorite dimension removed from man's dimension. Their 2008 Cascade expedition describes morphing and floating here:
http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php ... id=1867184

The Sasquatch Mystery Center founder "Shelly" witnessed both the cloud phase and the transition of Bigfoot to Orb phase. http://www.geocities.com/sasquatchmystery/

Thom Powell, possesses US Forest Service photos of the cloud phase of Bigfoot where they were triggering heat and motion sensor cameras. I predict that he will probably be the first person to put the 3 phases of Bigfoot into hard bound print.

Kewaunee Lapseritis used to teach people that Bigfoot can turn into an Orb and has a picture of that transition, that was given to him by a friend. He denies that ability today, however. And naturally does not produce a picture that he cannot explain. Of couse, Kewaunee relies heavily on what little the Bigfoot will tell him. And they haven't told him how many Bigfoot there are either. Kewaunee does not teach people how to rapidly contact and communicate with the Bigfoot since he may not know how to do it. He believes in dowsing to contact the one bigfoot every 300+ square miles that he and most main stream researchers claim that there are. Which is not even in the right ball park, in my opinion. For instance, you guys probably have Yowie living inside the city limits of every major metropolitan area in Australia, that has public parks.

The 1962 to 1968 or thereabouts, Bigfoot captivity study at Lawrence Livermore National Labs in California which was paid for by the Department of Defense, confirmed the Bigfoot to Orb transition, as well as their capability of invisibility. That was taught at UC. Berkeley in the 60's and the 70's. I was there. The conclusion was that "Bigfoot cannot be controlled, contained, or communicated with, and are thought to be alien in origination", to the best of my recollection. The 60's was when the whole 4th dimension scientific discussions started to occur and also be taught in school in 1968. I heard it. The tetrahedron, etc. is all smoke and mirrors, since the higher dimensions appear to be based on frequency changes and are subdimensions of man's dimension, as opposed to a spacial dimension. The scientific community then dropped 4th dimension research because the Feds decided to keep it top secret. The FEDS swept all school libarys clear of Bigfoot books in 1969. Not that it did any good. The Smithsonian had the Patterson-Gimlin film on display in 1968 but were ordered to remove it by the FBI. I saw it there. Stephen Hawking was at UC Berkeley in the fall of 1974, for the specific purpose to study Bigfoot. He gave many improptu lectures on Bigfoot from his wheel chair while carooning around campus. I was there. Michio Kaku was also at Berkeley in the same time period and no doubt knows all about the Bigfoot captivity study at neighboring Lawrence Livermore National Labs. He just ain't talking. Hawking has confirmed in public during recent years, that Bigfoot is both real and paranormal. They aren't about to lock him up in a prison.

In conclusion, I believe that I have confirmed to my satisfaction, the Spirit People legend both in the field, in interviews, in my house and in my backyard. I have spirit people looking over my shoulder at this very instant. I have gained an understanding of the scientific processes through reading, and through personal field observation with night vision equipment, and really good ears. There is no website that explains the 3 phases of Bigfoot. If it did, every F&B believer, non-believer and disinformation specialist on the government payroll, would be attacking it to discredit it. TV won't put it on. Monsterquest won't touch it with a ten foot pole. There have been a hand full of showings in perhaps 3 or 4 countries of "Bigfoot, Beast on the Run", that mentions the Orb phase. Bigfoot research in the States, is completely corrupt and in a constant state of disarray, because all persons that run Bigfoot chat rooms are, are seeking to be the "media go to man on bigfoot". Consequently, they ban the researchers who know more than them about Bigfoot. Thereby goading and hamstringing the international effort to understand the Bigfoot/Yowie people. They could not do a greater disservice to mankind.

You don't look for Bigfoot or Yowie, you listen for them. Because they are normally invisible in the higher dimensions.

Cheers

[Dion]

Muppets you obviously have a bee in your bonnet, tone it down my friend.

Just because you do not believe in Yowies doesn’t mean you can attack other people for having their beliefs. If you don’t like the discussion don’t be involved in it. It’s simple.

Some of us have had REAL visual encounters and some have been fortunate enough to experience Paranormal aspects to them. So if you find that hard to believe I suggest you think about what’s of value and get out of your own fantasy world and take a deep breath. There are a lot of things within and without this world which going by your skepticism you have very little understanding of.


To doctorscream

I enjoyed reading your post

[Jo Blose]

Muppets stated:

I came here after having a damn good giggle about it with Marius, and perhaps to add to the voices of sanity and reason, but the shine of that has well and truly departed.
My light weight, no brainer source of cheap laughs just isn't funny anymore, just pathetic really.


All I can say to that is, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

Sorry we've run out of laughs for you, Muppets! Please refrain from trying to talk down to members. We all read the newspapers and all have been watching the news. If you do not care for the discussion, let alone the topic, perhaps you need to find an alternative source of escapism.

[Night Walker]

On the contrary - I am a “believer”. However, I try to remain as objective as possible and try to resist the temptation to jump into the subjective deep end.

Specifically, I believe Yowies are an unconfirmed type of hominid. They are highly attuned to their environment which, for the most part, is rugged mountainous forest areas. Their skills of evasion are extraordinary but that it certainly needs to be when living close to the dominant hominid species - Homo sapiens sapiens - which has a long and well documented history of violence and genocide against those, even of their own species, which are different.

In reply to doctorscream’s questions:

1) Yes, I often camp out in forested areas near water where few others go. I also hike through said areas at odd hours of the night.

2) No. I use a conventional torch to see what is in the immediate area.

Personally, I am just as curious about ghosts, psychic abilities, and UFOs as anyone here. It’s just that I don’t see the need to include such fanciful explanations to what is essentially a crypto zoological issue. There are enough precedents within the natural world to get a good grasp the physiology, behaviours, and habitat of these creatures without having to resort to “dimensionality”.

Example: the coelacanth - disappeared from the fossil record some 300 million years ago yet it was “discovered” alive and well in 1938. Do you need dimensionality to explain this? No.

I now ask a serious question of the AYR team: Do you consider Yowies/Bigfoot to be an as-yet-unidentified species (or several species) of hominid or are they dimensional spirit beings? There is no middle ground.

I am very curious of this site’s official position. I note that despite the debate very few have actually put their position on the line.

Finally, Joe - firstly - using ridiculous explanations for things we don’t yet understand (or misinterpret) is not applying “heat”. It is simply…well… ridiculous. Using your analogy - the AYR kitchen currently seems to resemble a schizophrenic fairy bakery. Secondly - using the "heat in the kitchen" analogy to someone involved in the bushfire tragedy is extremely poor taste. Pull your head in.

[forestguy]

Heres a quick piece of background for you, GI Joe.
I have just got home after the best part of a week wondering if I was going to get my arse burnt off, and looking for those that had.
My job, of which the specifics are none of your concern, required me to head over to Vic. last Sunday.
Let me tell you folk, with all your self importance in this world of quite obvious fantasy, my tolerance of such unmitigated nonsense as this thread, even this whole site represent, is at an all time record low.
Life and liberty are too short and precious to be squandered debating your brand of self righteous fantasy frogshite.
I came here after having a damn good giggle about it with Marius, and perhaps to add to the voices of sanity and reason, but the shine of that has well and truly departed.
My light weight, no brainer source of cheap laughs just isn't funny anymore, just pathetic really.

I had a firm grip on reality before last Sunday, but by christ, its got a lot firmer.
Get a grip, all of you. You owe it to yourselves and your families.

Jeez - get over yourself. No-one asked for your background, or your job. In fact the only thing I could care less about is the content of the self-righteous drivel you and your muppet mates insist on subjecting the board to in your interminable posts.

You've got a grip on something all right, but I think it's down your pants.

I'm glad you've seen the light - I hope this means we don't have to read your c**p anymore. Please, try and convince Marius on your way out...

Assuming you managed to keep your ass burn free, don't let the door hit it on your way out.

Muppet indeed.

[Mike Williams]

If it walks, eats, sh*ts, and sleeps then it is as REAL

I am very interested in scat analysis!..and realise the problems inherent in this method for useable dna sequences.
What scat analysis has ever revealed anything odd anywhere in the world in relation to bigfoot/yowie etc.

Thanks


Mike

[Marivs]

Muppets you obviously have a bee in your bonnet, tone it down my friend.

Just because you do not believe in Yowies doesn’t mean you can attack other people for having their beliefs. If you don’t like the discussion don’t be involved in it. It’s simple.

Some of us have had REAL visual encounters and some have been fortunate enough to experience Paranormal aspects to them. So if you find that hard to believe I suggest you think about what’s of value and get out of your own fantasy world and take a deep breath. There are a lot of things within and without this world which going by your skepticism you have very little understanding of.

Muppets has just had a big fat dose of reality, and is clearly in no mood to mince words. Cant say I blame him. Have you been watching t.v this past week? Notice anything out of the ordinary? He was right in the thick of all that. Thats enough to give anyone a serious perspective on what matters.
Was it seven or eight people burnt to death trying in vain to protect an infant with their own bodies? Thats just one tale of reality. Theres plenty more.
"Get out of your own fantasy world and take a deep breath."
Let me tell you, he just wishes it was that easy.
A bee in his bonnet? Ptagh.

Right now, night walker is about the only one making any sense in this thread. As Muppets pointed out, you don't explain a mystery with something even more mysterious and unlikely.

[lil foot]

this other dimension stuff is an awesome cop out, a very poor excuse for being totally outsmarted and outwitted by a very clever animal that seems totally intouch with its enviroment and surroundings.
has anyone seen another dimension? has anyone seen anything in front of their eyes enter into this dimension? i suspect that will be answered by some weird stories with no factual basis.
anyway im going to take chewys advise and leave the kitchen, seeya, and enjoy ya bed time stories