A Question on Stick Formations

[Night Walker]

Q. When did stick formations first become associated with the Yowie/Bigfoot phenomenon?

[BillTheCat]

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Seriously, how did you arrive at this hypothesis?


To NW:
I'm personally not particularly convinced that stick formations have anything to do with the yowie. They're too easy to make and therefore hoax.

The argument that they're in a remote location doesn't wash because if someone is there to see them then someone could just as easily have been there to make them. Same with rock formations (only they could have lasted much longer).

[stickyfingers]

To NW:
I'm personally not particularly convinced that stick formations have anything to do with the yowie. They're too easy to make and therefore hoax.

The argument that they're in a remote location doesn't wash because if someone is there to see them then someone could just as easily have been there to make them. Same with rock formations (only they could have lasted much longer).

...hey Bill... that's actually a good point... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[BillTheCat]

Hi Sticky,

Thanks.

I also meant to say (ran out of time, at the time), re: rock formations. Rocks have a tendency to stay put, i.e. they don't generally move (disregarding earthquakes, extreme conditions) and Australia is the most geographically stable continent. As such, a rock formation in a very remote location, could very easily have been built hundreds of years ago by an indigenous Australian and still be standing to tell the tale.

Alternately, take a drive to Cooma and you'll come across an area either side of the highway which is strewn with granite outcrops and boulders left over from the minor glacial activity in the Australian Alps. In this area you'll see plenty of small cairns made (presumably) by people travelling through and stopping for a rest/picture/leak/whatever.

Ascribing stick and rock formations to yowies without ever having proof of a yowie existing let alone creating them is a long bow...

but as they say, "truth is stranger than fiction...." So who knows.

[Jo Blose]

Hey there Doctor's cream,

I notice your avatar depicts an orb? Is this avatar from a photo you've taken yourself?

I hear your talk of the close relationship between orbs and these hominids. I take it you've taken some interesting photos and video footage of this relationship? Afterall, your equipment sounds to be hardly of the amateur variety.

It would be really great if you could back up your fantastic statements with equally fantastic evidence. You do have the evidence don't you?

As for the relationship between stick formations and the yowie, a fallen branch isn't necessarily indicative of anything. However, a number of fallen branches of the three metre to four metre plus variety, all leaning in the same direction in a small area so as they look to be parallel with one another, is worth noting. Equally worthy of note is when you come across four metre plus sticks, sticking out of the ground on 45 degree angles and it appears they have been jammed half a foot into the ground. Especially if there are no trees nearby to support the reasoning it just fell down and landed that way.

Additionally, tee pee formations in remote yowie hotspots are suspicious at the very least. It's difficult to explain away stick tee pees consisting of up to ten sticks being a result of random branch falls. I guess when one of us obtains video footage of a yowie demonstrating stick craftsmanship, perhaps this relationship will be taken more seriously.

[Mike Williams]

Hey Doc

1/I received your email stating you believed the NSA had blocked you writing on this site, since it was a tech glitch, and not the NSA, will you admit you were 100% wrong on that call.?
2/I realise that you like to lecture us, fair enough, which implies ..you must have or know something that we dont.
Please show us your secondary evidence .!
3/How do you tell the difference bewteen orbs that are dust/moisture etc and orbs that are supposedly paranormal.?


MIke

[BillTheCat]

Regarding Joe's post; Yes absolutely, when footage of a yowie displaying stick craftmanship shows up then it certainly will prove a point.

Until then, Occam's razor says the most plausible explanation for these formations is human stick craftmanship.

The point I'm trying to make in my most recent posts (excepting the laughing doctor post) is that there is nothing out of the ordinary about stick and rock formations. Humans have been doing it for untold centuries if not millenia. Given that there is no 'proof' that crypto hominids exist (and I accept that you hold the belief that they do and have experienced them) there is nothing to support the assertion that a stick or rock formation, no matter how remote, has been created by such a crypto hominid. If a person is there to witness a formation then it is equally possible that another person has been there to create it.

That said, as I have said before, I would love someone to bring forward proof that yowies exist. That would be a good day indeed. Until then my opinion is that:

• The highest probability is that yowies do not exist.
• The next highest probability is that they did exist once but do not anymore.
• The lowest probability is that do exist and still exist today.

Regards

[BillTheCat]

Oh... and by the way DoctorS; I certainly don't have any night vision monocles of any level above generation 1.

You're absolutely correct!! I don't have any below generation 1 either.

I'm led to believe from some of your earlier, original posts that you had some bigfoots living in your kitchen and that you could summon them at will.

That being the case then I personally don't need night vision monocles because I'm simply an average ape descendant that has unfortunately lost the ability to sense or communicate with trans-dimensional, orb-shifting bigfeet. That being the case night vision monocles of any generation would largely be a waste of my money.

However, as you still retain these incredible powers, then I welcome you to use your night vision monocles to capture some evidence of these magnificent creatures and present it here on this forum, assuming that the NSA don't intercept them first with their 'cleanup squad'.

Happy posting Doctor. I love that you're back. You bring some much needed pain relief to these forums.

Best regards

[Strange2]

BillTheCat, I'm with you on this one. I don't think they have anything to do with Yowies.

I know when I was a Scout, way back in the early 70's... We used to make stick structuers and rock structuers just like the ones depiticted.

Just a thought

[Strange2]

Oh... and by the way DoctorS; I certainly don't have any night vision monocles of any level above generation 1.

You're absolutely correct!! I don't have any below generation 1 either.

Well, see? There's your problem right there Bill.. You need monicles to see trans-dimensional, orb-shifting bigfeet


Cheers

[Night Walker]

Thanks for all the comments. Please keep it going. However, I am still interested if anyone has information as to WHEN stick formations were first related to Yowie/Bigfoot. Who first made the connection?

Any insight on these would be welcome...

[BillTheCat]

Whilst I don't know the answer to the question, I have a feeling at the back of my mind that I first read about yowie/stick formation links in my teen years ('76 on) in some newspaper articles about Rex Gilroy.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Rex was the first to suggest it but I don't actually know. I'm sure there's some yowie scholars out there that can answer.

[Jo Blose]

Doctor's cream,

Thanks for your reply especially regarding your photos and your avatar. Just wondering though, how do you distinguish between a hominid making itself invisible, or making the observer 'see' an orb image, and one slipping into another dimension? Invisibility techniques are taught in Ninjitsu which aren't paranormal in any sense, and last time I checked, hypnotic techniques aren't deemed paranormal either.

Billthecat states, "That said, as I have said before, I would love someone to bring forward proof that yowies exist." All I can say right now is if you persevere with this inquiry of yours despite all your sense of logic telling you it is all BS, your patience will be rewarded.

The stick relationship relies first on an acceptance in the possibility the yowie is a real and living creature which can be seen, photographed, and inevitably leaves an impact on it's immediate environment. I believe this relationship has been drawn because the creatures occassionally appear to be fiercely territorial. There are cases where people have commenced building houses or set up caravans at locations, discovered unusual bigfoot tracks as such, then have nuisance yowies trespassing through their land, stalking, being peeping toms, and banging on walls or rocking caravans etc. With territories one naturally expects marked boundaries. With domesticated animals for instance, their territories are often clearly defined by fence boundaries or cages.

Us humans ourselves are hugely subject to territories. We have our own personal space, our homes, our work places, our cars, our suburbs. In times of war we even become fiercely territorial of our country to the extent we're willing to die for it. Most of us though are most fiercely territorial where our homes are concerned. Hot spots are named so because of sightings. As the creatures are not reported travelling in motor cars or planes, it is reasonable to assume they are seen either nearby to their homes or actually inside their territorial areas. Aside from sticks and rocks, what else do they have at their disposal to mark territories? Hence, a big deal has been made of such formations despite (to my knowledge) nobody reporting the creatures being seen creating them.

Some research to see if marking territories with sticks has ever been a trait among wild known living primates is in order. It would also be interesting to hear what science says of our hominid ancestors regarding marking territories.

[Mike Williams]

Hi Doc

Mike Williams, You did not have just a tech gliche. You had deliberate sabotage at the exact same time that I mentioned the NSA on your site. Many US chat rooms get shut down temporarily due to tech gliches, that occur at the same time when the NSA is mentioned on their site,

Give us the list of US chat rooms that have been temporarily shut down for mentioning the NSA.
NSA mission statement.
Collect (including through clandestine means), process, analyze, produce, and disseminate signals intelligence information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes to support national and departmental missions
I cannot see a thing about blocking the ability of people to chat about sasquatches and mention the NSA.

So, it is highly likely that the NSA caused your little tech gliche and thus prevented me from posting to your site, in some manner.

Highly likely?...
Yet your posts stayed up..yet the site is still here..yet the chat board is still here..yet you could email us..yet you are back here...yet we are talking about the NSA...!!!!!
Slight contradiction there..
And I seem to remember that the email you sent us actually stated that someone here on the board was a NSA stooge of some sort, and they had actually blocked you at this end...the fantasy/plot thickens...
We will leave out how temporarily bringing a site down for a day has no effect on anything..why be logical.

The most reliable way of detecting the different between dust and orbs is size.

If you knew anything cameras then you would know the major problem with that idea is you cannot tell the distance from the camera to the "orb" and hence you cannot tell the relative size of the orb...and funny that water drops/dust etc..looks so similar to paranormal "orbs"..
Soooo..at the end of the day.. you write some great posts that are very funny..and you have zero evidence for absolutely everything you say...
Which takes a certain skill.!!
I like you Doc..!!!

[BillTheCat]

Hear, hear Mike!!!

I'm never ceased to be amazed by the diversity of opinion that can be created by the human mind given the same or similar inputs.

That was a fantastic post Doctor, replete with inconsistencies, false logic, unprovable facts (boasts) and general mischievousness. By the way, re 'wholphinusa.com', see below:

wholp.JPG

Regarding bigfoots in your kitchen:

What sounds like a "branch break" is more often an electrical snap of varying intensity. I had a Bigfoot hang out in my kitchen for about 10 days. The only way that I knew the Bigfoot was there, was by the electrical snaps that came from there, when I was normally in another room. Except for the last snap, just before the Bigfoot left. The Bigfoot appeared to stop in so that I could give him or her some food with Vermont Maple Syrup on it. So if you want to attract a Yowie, forget about the whinning wife in the peak of her cycle, just cover yourself in syrup and strap an overnight bag to your waste, because you won't be coming home until they have licked you clean.

Apologies if misinterpreted your ability summon these wonderful creatures with Vermont Maple Syrup for a paranormal capability. I was relying solely on my ape-descendant memory, which isn't perfect. The point about bigfoots in your kitchen still stands though.



Joe: As I said, I repect your belief in yowies but I fail to understand how you make the automatic leap from stick structures to yowies creating them. That is 'confirmation bias', which was discussed some time ago. I could equally postulate (but don't) that it could be caused by a mob of mutant kangaroos, which were the result of the Maralinga atomic bomb tests and then go on a paper trail chase to weave a story of cover-ups supported by biological studies that suggest that mutant kangaroos would naturally have migrated to wherever these formations have occurred, etc.etc.etc. blah blah blah....

But I don't , that's where the good doctor excels.

My point is that in all the yowie youtube clips and grabs that I have watched (some involving Dean as well) I have never seen anybody yet adopt the 'agnostic' position, i.e. Here's something unusual. Let's examine it from the null hypothesis perspective.

They're always from the positive proof that yowies exist perspective or from the total debunk perspective, never from the 'neutral perspective'. In both cases that's 'confirmation bias'.

Contrary to popular belief the scientific approach is not about skepticism or debunking. It's about finding the correct, or at least the most plausible, explanation for things.

Isn't funny in our recent ape history that the church was the 'authority' and the scientists were the rebels. Now the church is irrelevant, science is the authority and the paranormal/mystery fraternity are the rebels. I wonder where it's all going to end???

[BillTheCat]

Hi Doctor,

Thankyou for your response, I am most gratified that you choose to continue this discussion.

Regarding Wholpin N0.6. I'm sure there are some on this site who will glady part with US$19.95 to view this 'material', however I'm actually more afraid of the amount of viral material that I may receive as a result of interacting with this site. However the credibility of this 'publication' does not appear too high based on the accompanying material on said DVD. A fine example of 'A fool and his money...'. With that said, I'll not comment on it anymore as I'm not prepared to assess this material. Perhaps someone else on the forum might want to?

Regarding my 'outrageous request for evidence' I would like to correct the record. I did not request the evidence, I invited you to provide it. No evidence, no credibility. If we all took your approach then we'd all still believe the earth is flat! (maybe it is and we're all warped...)

Regarding my 'half-baked skeptic arguments' I'm happy to debate your equally half-baked arguments. Bring it on... When I actually see an argument from you I'll debate it... You offer no proof, you offer no evidence, you invent cover-ups to escape the corners you paint yourself into, you make groundless claims and you offer up uninteresting references to technical equipment, e.g. night vision, that to date have still not provided any serious evidence let alone proof of the existence of these fantastical creatures that, by your own words, have inhabited your kitchen...

Regarding 'someone who has never gone camping at a hard to reach, unimproved campsite, covered himself with bacon grease and slept out in the open all night long'. I have detailed at length in this forum a 'coming of age' expedition in my late teens where I hiked with three friends into the heart of the Upper Macleay river (one the best known yowie hotspots in the country). Whilst I didn't bother to smear myself with bacon fat, I do believe that on the first night we feasted upon open-cooked sausages and steak and the following morning breakfasted on open-cooked bacon. Whilst we didn't sleep in the open, I don't see much difference between that and one thin layer of nylon tent. I have camped in many remote and not remote locations in my time, most of which have had at least one yowie sighting in my lifetime. Never once, at all, have I heard, seen, encountered any single thing that I could ascribe to being 'yowie activity'. The closest thing I ever saw was an indistinct dark shape out of the corner of my eye whilst travelling along the highway between Grafton and Casino many years ago (which really could have been anything).

So in closing, I welcome your 'debate', I love your posts (they give me great enjoyment) but I take everything that you say with far less than a grain of salt until such time as you back your colourful claims with some credible evidence.

Until the next time... my sincerest regards

[the_sleepwalker]

Guys, im not really sure if egging this guy on is a good idea, his replies make me feel very uncomfortable in the repsect that he truely believes what he is writing and i'm kinda scared for his mental well being.

I know alot of the general public could say the same of anyone who thinks yowies/bigfoot/a tuckshop lady with thin arms is real but ummm yeah, i would think trying to get proof of the more outlandish "facts" and trying to paint him into a corner cant be good for his/her state of mind.

Sorry to be a downer but it's just made me feel slightly uncomfortable.

All that aside, my personal take on formations, going off what other animals in the wild do in a similar way is markers, trails of territory or food lines, markers for others to watch out for?

[lil foot]

Mike, List of bigfoot sites that were sabotaged at one time or another are:
cryptomundo.com
cryptozoology.com
bigfootforums.com
eric beckjords old sites

The NSA is not about to list anything that is in violation of the law, as part of their missions statement. Think about it. Nor do they list either DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGNS, PSYOPS, PROMOTE CONFUSION, PHONE HARASSMENT, or that they work with the private sector in getting researchers tied up in frivolous lawsuits. Yet under the Bush Administration, they appeared to do all of the above, from my personal observation.

It took me a month to view the chat rooms here, much less get back onto them. It wasn't JUST one day. Yet noone could explain that. I noticed that a posting of mine about the three books that mention "invisible bigfoot" appears to have been either deleted or lost. That was real close to when everything hit the fan, as I recall. So you do not appear to have all of the facts, before you reached your conclusions.

Regarding my tips on noticing the difference between the size of orbs and the size of dust, that tip did not rely on actually looking through a camera lens, as you have misstated. It involves holding your eyes and head above the top of the camera, and looking out in the field of the flash, for things that light up at night. You will be amazed. Be sure and get back to us here, and describe your forthcoming amazement. Then we can tell you that you must be nuts. In all the times that I have told people exactly how to see orbs, not a single person has both attempted the experiment and gotten back to the forum, so that their amazement could be duly noted.

And so at the end of the day, although your proclamations that my posts are without merit, you have zero evidence that they are without merit. They are anecdotal recollections, and personal opinions derived from those recollections. Which is not proof. But your posts do illumninate for others, the importance of not reading something into a post that is not there, nor reading a post too quickly as some important detail may be overlooked. Thanks for that lesson.

hey doctordream, it wasnt just your posts that were deleted, many were deleted and not by the NSA but by the admin of this sight by accident.
lets prove a point here, if the NSA are so protective of the yowie, bigfoot and us mentioning it on this forum, lets push em a bit.
hey! NSA, ya momma wears army boots! go and stick ya own nose up ya own skirt, you bunch of NSA #+%#* heads!
whos afraid of the NSA? oooooooo so scary.

[BillTheCat]

Hi Sleepwalker,

I was beginning to feel the same as I was writing my last post, however in considering all of the doctors posts in the past I am of the opinion that the doctor is:

• Not in the slightest mentally unstable; and
• Possibly a skeptic seeing how far they can take it.

When you come on the web and interact you takes ya chances. However, if it is the will of the forum I will stop responding to him and find my fun in other ways and places. I don't think that that will stop them posting though.

I was simply enjoying some time in the forum that didn't involve vitriol, dummy spitting and rudeness for a change.

Good point though and it's fair to say that NW's thread has been taken well and truly off-original-topic.

[Jo Blose]

Billthecat wrote:
"Joe: As I said, I repect your belief in yowies but I fail to understand how you make the automatic leap from stick structures to yowies creating them. That is 'confirmation bias', which was discussed some time ago. I could equally postulate (but don't) that it could be caused by a mob of mutant kangaroos, which were the result of the Maralinga atomic bomb tests and then go on a paper trail chase to weave a story of cover-ups supported by biological studies that suggest that mutant kangaroos would naturally have migrated to wherever these formations have occurred, etc.etc.etc. blah blah blah...."

Bill, if you read through my post again you'll find I'm attempting to answer Nightwalker's original question on where the association between stick formations and the yowie originate. The short answer being as markers for territorial or other reasons. I never automatically assume anything. Like I said earlier, until someone witnesses a yowie erecting a stick structure or better still, films it, like you say, it's just postulation.

That said, if you attend an area where there have been multiple sightings over a period of years by different witnesses, and then you have one there yourself, you do tend to pay closer attention to that environment and compare it to other locales of similar terrain and vegetation. Possible associations become considerations.

You're welcome to show 'respect' to me and I'll return in kind, but there's absolutely no need to respect my 'belief' in the yowie as I have no belief in the yowie at all. I 'know' the reality of the yowie.

[Mike Williams]

Hi Doc

they appeared to do all of the above, from my personal observation.

Err..its just another one of your wild and.... sad... guesses Doc...backed by ZERO proof...

Yet noone could explain that. I noticed that a posting of mine about the three books that mention "invisible bigfoot" appears to have been either deleted or lost. That was real close to when everything hit the fan, as I recall. So you do not appear to have all of the facts, before you reached your conclusions.

One of the NSA stooges you think is a mod here probably deleted it....thats what we do
The reasons are obvious why the NSA would care about sasquatches..
Threats to national security from sasquatches.....sasquatches tied in to bin laden...sasquatches threaten the US govt...sasquatches making anthrax bombs..islamic sasquatches....news at nine.
Did I miss anything...?
OR
It was a glitch..

Regarding my tips on noticing the difference between the size of orbs and the size of dust, that tip did not rely on actually looking through a camera lens, as you have misstated. It involves holding your eyes and head above the top of the camera,

Wow..Why did I miss that obvious answer...
I think BillTheCat might be on to something though!!!

Possibly a skeptic seeing how far they can take it.

Good point Bill..lets see..we will run a black and white test..

DOC
Show us some of the photos of orbs you have actually captured on film/digi as well as video footage using night gen.
No more word games..no more stories..no more conspiracies...no more non answers.....no more attempts at sarcasm..
LETS SEE YOUR EVIDENCE...NOW.!!!
Game on...

[Shazzoir]

.... and that's when the fight started....

Only kidding.


What I am serious about here, though, is listening to everyone's opinions, no matter how different they may be from my own. I persist because I think I might learn something, and one never knows where the nuggets lie until you fossick through a lot of earth.

If DoctorScream is right, then we have no chance of ever capturing a Sas/Yeti/Yowie, but it won't stop me from trying to get one on film or in a photo. Not out of any sense of wanting to prove someone wrong, but to see if it can be done, for MY personal satisfaction.

I think the government has more important things to do than monitor cryptozoology websites, but then, I could be wrong there, too. I guess there are some things you just have to take on faith, or you'd give up entirely. As they say, Hope springs eternal.

Kind regards,
Shazz

[BillTheCat]

Joe, I re-read your post but I still fail to make the association between stick formations, tee pees and 45 degree jammed in branches with yowies (a crypto beast that has not been proven to exist and by all reports has not been studied in the field, other than brief confrontation encounters, even by people who have claimed to experience them).

I accept that you say you have encountered the yowie in the self same areas as other reported encounters but there is no evidence offered, only your word, which for some may be enough but not for independent observers.

I think you may also have mis-read my posts, which were simply to state that in the absence of evidence then these formations can only be ascribed to human stick craft. The yowie has not been proven to exist. By your account of this area many humans have been in the same spot. Occam's razor?? Humans did it.

As stated before... I am more than happy tp be 'proven' wrong and indeed I would welcome being proven wrong. It's just darn frustrating that nobody has ever done it. I'm not unreasonable about proof and evidence but if the Bigfoot fraternity in the U.S. can't get it for bigfoot after 50 years then I'd have to say the odds of getting it for a yowie are that much smaller again.

Anyway, I wish you the best in your pursuits and endeavours. And look forward to being proven wrong!

[iwanttobelieve]

What I am serious about here, though, is listening to everyone's opinions, no matter how different they may be from my own. I persist because I think I might learn something, and one never knows where the nuggets lie until you fossick through a lot of earth.

Well said Shazzy.

[Night Walker]

Q. When did stick formations first become associated with the Yowie/Bigfoot phenomenon?

So - possibly it was Rex Gilroy in the mid-late 70's to first make the connection. Thank you, BillTheCat.

I was hoping for something more concrete and it is disappointing that noone seems to know more. I had found a early reference to a South American tribe who believed that teepee-style formations were created by Hairy Men immitating the creation of fire.

[Night Walker]

Quoted in Sanderson, I.T.(1961) "Abominable Snowmen: Legend Comes to Life" Adventures Unlimited: Philadelphia from the original source "The Museum Journal" (Vol. VI, No. 3, September, 1915) University Museum of the University of Pennsylvania: Philadelphia, the following excerpts described as Guatemaltecan mythology [sic]:

"Occasionally the hunters see in the forest little piles of twigs which have been brought together by El Sisemite [also called Sisimici] in an unsuccessful effort to make fire in imitation of men... Besides his wish to make fire the Sisemite has another ambition. He sometimes steals children in the belief that from these he may acquire the gift of human speech."

[Jo Blose]

Billthe cat wrote, "I have a feeling at the back of my mind that I first read about yowie/stick formation links in my teen years ('76 on) in some newspaper articles about Rex Gilroy."

I'd love to see the said newspaper articles and how Mr. Gilroy drew a link. I'm so so surprised that between all the academically trained historians on this site, none have been unable to assist our Nightwalker.