SAS tackle Ormeau Yowie

[Dean Harrison]

Just want to clarify a couple of thngs because Mr. Pathalogical Lier Gweg, is sprouting a whole lot of lies in regard to this and claiming we made it up, yet he knows nothing about it.

Firstly, this was arranged by us and them 'off the record'. Whether it went any further, I have no idea, but it was off the record. I've known them for years.

Secondly, my "Top secret report" statement refers to it being exactly that. There was an agreement that this operation would never go public, therefore to us, it's in one of our "Top Secret files" - to "US" it was "Top Secret", because................ "It was a 'Secret'" DUH....

Gweg, if you want to spread lies..... come here and do it, but we know you won't because you'll be made to look very stupid and you'll be exposed 'again' for making up fraudulent claims. I've un-banned you, so you can address your "Concerns" directly.

DMH

[Dean Harrison]

Still waiting for you gweg.

If you post lies about us on O/S Forums where nobody knows you under your alias "Yowies" then your a Coward. Be man enough to bring your manipulative lies here. But your not man enough are you? Why? Because you KNOW your a lier.......

Just continue being the same lying SOB you've earned such a reputation for in this Country...... Coward.....

I still remember your threats from 8 years ago when we didn't know who you were, we thought we were dealing with some strange kid who not only couldn't make a sentence, but couldn't spell a word. Remember how angry you got when we kept saying/thinking we were dealing with a deranged kid? "I'm not a kid, I'm serious... We're watching your every move" - I corrected the spelling for you gweg.

DMH

[Guest]

Hey!
no offence, but I thought that this report was pretty sketchy..like...some parts of it were anyway...I dunno...it might just be me...

[Dion]

Thats because some parts were left out for a purpose!

[Guest]

O! right..sorry...my bad...wasnt thinking straight..lol

[Tommi]

Dean,

Is the area where you had your close encounter the cleared spot west of the bush corridor inbetween the water tower and the road?

Tom.

[Dean Harrison]

No, but not far away.

DMH

[Vic]

Nice work. I have a large cat from down the road that needs similar attention.

My brother, who has amused me for hours with tales of being on exercise, has told me a few second-hand stories of scaries in the bush. Most involve insects, reptiles and vegetation that bites but there has been a few interesting ones. I wonder if there are other ex-army readers out there willing to share some of their experiences?

Again, great reporting.

Vic

[bowhunter]

i have to ask...this yowie is dangerous? It is aggressive and could most definatly hurt someone right? But hang on...so can a freaking hand gun...you say that there's a 4wd track right thru the guts of the place that a 4wd came down at about midnight...sure u could hear it then but could u hear it with semi automatic gunfire going off?What if somoen was hurt...i mean apart from by this yowie..i mean by one of these sas dudes with a gun.,.or what if the yowie was hurt? Dont get me wrong i have copped plenty on this site just for mentioning the word gun...but now somones ripping up the bush...gee ill fell safe next time im camping in a place where hunting and also shooting a firearm in general is,as i understand highly dangeroues and highly illegal

[Alex]

The SAS aren't one to be careless with guns. They know what they're doing. They're trained with all kinds of firearms, so if I had to trust anyone with a gun, it'd be those guys.

Also, in the report, before the encounter, they scoped the area out to make sure there was no people around. Otherwise, i'd assume they'd call the operation off until the place was uninhabited (by people anyway ).

The whole purpose of the operation was to scare the yowie off because it was becoming a threat to the surrounding population. From what i've heard it didn't work, so.. someone will have to do it by other means necessary. Possibly a capture & release somewhere else.

[Zebedee]

Hey all,

New member here.

Just read the SAS story and its a very nice one but thats all it is.
Ex ARA here and a few things just dont add up with this .

1. Someone asked why would they dump a rifle in favour of a handgun and the reply was that a rifle and scope would just get caught up in the vegetation. The scene is also described as being semi dense bushland.

Now why would persons who should be very experienced in weapon selection and application limitations select a sniper rifle when the very purpose of a rifle and scope is for accurate application of fire at range, which means rather open areas, not scrub.

2. NVG blackout. Since when do you set up trip flares, flashbangs, IR emitting devices etc. on your side of a tree or in your direct line of sight? The idea is to illuminate and blind them not yourself.

3. A sniper team usually operates in very close proximity to one another, not seperated.

4. Why go through the trouble of establishing an LUP or hide donned in a yowie suit (just about all AJ's call it this) to provide camouflage if you then go ahead and cook bacon, sausages and mushrooms and totally give yourself away? Kind of makes the comment of the not washing for four days and the suit being covered in all sorts of natural materials to mask smells a moot point really.

5. Just how do you pick up spent brass casings in the dark even with night vision. They dont work that well and especially in low ambient light level environments such as cloud and tree/vegetation canopy obscured night sky. A spent cartridge can eject a fair distance from a weapon, a bit hard to find in the dark.


Now these fellows if they are real seem to be very poorly trained for soldiers of the SASR. Either this is just a story or these fellows are pulling your leg Dean.Things just dont add up.

By the way although I am no longer a member of the ARA I still work closely with an ARA unit that everyone of these lads must go through as part of their training. Hell, probably even got photos of them all.

Also I am not a sceptic. I read the story of the bloke who picked up some scrap at Evans Head (Evans Head 1998) I think I know where he is talking about, my uncle lived a couple of hundred meters up the road. I grew up in Evans Head and have on two occasions been scared sh@tless by large noisy unseen things in the bush while a teenager in the early '80s.

So Im not doubting or casting aspersions about this site or its owners, just this story in particular.

[Stainmaster]

would love to read the full report one day if possible :-)
Also i know that if i had a firearm with me and my life was in danger or another human i would not think and pull the trigger. i would hate to hurt or kill one of these unknown friends :-) but mine or another life would come first. on that note i would not chase a yowie with my sidearm drawn. i would back away and if it still came at me then my survival would come first.
Still they had balls :-)

[ML]

Great report.
Commend the guys on not trying to bag a trophy...or as some US sites support....bringing one down for the sake of science!!! Even thought they admitted to being afraid they only tried to scare it off.
WIth regard to weapons...if they're trined snipers I guess they use what theyare familiar with. Also, I have a friend in the forces who commented to me only a month ago that it was now very difficult to "borrow" equipment for unofficial week-end ops....especially live ammo...and he's been in for almost 10 yrs. SO if this was unofficial, they may have had to make do with what they could get their hands on and taking other weapons may have raised too many eyebrows!!!
Pistol "pea shooters"....well having been on both ends of hand guns (well not actually receiving a bullet but pulled several out of people!!)...I doubt that even a .45 ACP round, which is significantly more impressive that the 9mm auto. would stop one of these big guys. Without knowing precise anatomy and phsiology, you'd certainly want to put many rounds at close range to try to come close to dropping one of these creatures should it charge...whether you get to put enough in before it gets you is a different story. BUt as the reporters state, they felt it was the Flashbangs theat made the difference, not the guns.
SO Dean...next expidition you need a handful of Flashbangs for saftey....and maybe an SAS or two to cook breakfast...LOL (no offence intended!)
PS Dean is the report of the "kids" mentioned in the post who were chased and had their hut destroyed by this thing on the site somewhere?
ML

[Dean Harrison]

M.L.

I don't know. Clear as that..........

All I know is who these guys are.

We've run checks and they are the real deal. We have had a relationship with them for many years and can talk directly over the phone when need be.

Not everything can be carried out by rule books, especially in this situ. Their response was actioned as the situation called. Some personal creativity was involved.

I know how the inventory was obtained. I've been told directly and it ends there.....

DMH

[Beastman]

Is there any recent news on this creature?

[Steve Mason]

He's still there.

[tango]

Dean

Do I understand this correctly?
Your 'SAS' associates claim success in making contact with the most important zoological discovery in modern history and these clowns then PLANNED to fire shots with the intention of scaring the creature that was in plain view at 45 metres rather than film it on NV/IR camera gear they had access to but did not take along?
That's not believable.
Genuine SAS operators would have one guy on the firearm and one on the camera.
No question.
Wait until that news gets around the SAS mess :-)
Correct....that won't happen because the incident is a fabrication and or these Walter Mittys are not SAS.

tango

[happy camper 7]

I have to agree with tango, I would think that "the chase" would have been done more professionally if they were well trained SAS soldiers.
the way I see it:

1they were not very well trained SAS soldiers

2they acted out of impuse and did not stop to think where they were reall chasing it or wether it would react negativlly to being flash banged eg. atacking someone with a torh because it thought it would get shot at again.

3they werent SAS

4 dean was fooled - SAS just wanted to get dean and the town off there back

5the report was editid to the extent that it became simply not very belivable

I would also like to say that if a report came out like this isnt it likely that it would make it to TV stations

Thanks Dylan

[grl]

just a thought, you would think these sas guys would have taken a camera as they are equipped with the latest equipment ir imaging nite vison etc ? .

[mikka]

tango,


I take it you haven't been in the ormeau area, 45 meters at night is not something I would say was "in plain view". Big difference than identifying there is a large figure there


Why do people think they should of had a camera with them :


Anybody who has been doing this for any amount of time will know that even a perfect video would not prove anything to anyone.

I have access to a good night vision camera with a infra red light and I don't take it with me everytime I head out. So if something happens when I don't take it, does that mean im automaticly making it up ?

Also not everyone is doing this to prove anything to anyone

[happy camper 7]

they could also not want pplz to know it was proved that a yowie was living in that area (but that convo is for another furom)

[tango]

Ok, you have trouble understanding "plain view"?
Let me quote....

"At approx 2125 a large (over 7ft) tall figure was identified at a distance
of approx 45m standing left side on to my position facing N's position more
or less straight on to him....... I tracked figure moving through nv
and scope across front of position, looked like it deliberately missed the
rattle traps."

So you don't think that the above sighting was in plain view and potentially filmable?
I'm laughing.

tango

[happy camper 7]

they most likely asumed the traps were missed because there had been no flares set off or shrieks comming from the creature. also when thet saw the creature it would have most likely would have been seen in glimpses and only in clear view for a matter of seconds

[mikka]

So you don't think that the above sighting was in plain view

Just because you can see "something" and track its movements doesnt mean automaticly its in plain view.



Again you meantion getting some footage, can you tell me why they had to of taken a camera with them ?

potentially/ could of/maybe. Just what we need, a film taken at night, at distance showing just a "something".

Can I ask how much time you have spent at night trying to film in the bush ?

[tango]

If you don't get the contradictions and problems with this story I can't help you much more.
These blokes are initially in a fixed position where using tripod mounted cameras was perfectly feasible and easy. The comments quoted above are from eyesight from the same stationary fixed position. If the height of the figure, its orientation and details about its movements were estimable then it was filmable. No one is claiming the picture would be perfect. That is not the test.

You seem to want to see this creature but not film it. Ok.

[mikka]

The only problem you brought up that they didn't have a camera with them

It might of been feasible, but if that wasnt there intention at the time I don't see any problem.

Hindsight is wonderful



Personally at this point in time im not trying to get something on video, I would rather try and find other evidance as in footprints etc. as I don't have all the equipment at this stage I would need to film anything worthwhile. I would rather use my time on something where I could get better results

[grl]

in regards to not been in ormeo area i have spent a lot of time in some of the most dense and rugged terrian in aust [ daintree ,mt bartle fre, kuranda, cape york ] i do know how hard it is to photograph in such conditions but is it still worth the try?.

[grl]

yeah hindsight is a wonderful thing point taken

[mikka]

Hey grl, anything is worth a try

But I don't agree with throwing this out just because they didn't have a camera.

[grl]

yeah thats true