One for Doc Scream

[forestguy]

After a visit to one of our research areas on Friday I took the Doc's advice and left a bit of a treat - left a birds toy with bell etc up a tree:

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We were scouting for a location for an overnighter, so it was a pretty uneventful visit.

At one stage I caught sight of something out of the corner of my eye - in that split-second my first thought was "kid running bent over", which I disregarded (thought that the heat had me seeing things).

I turned to talk to Daniel and saw that he'd stopped and was looking in the same direction I'd been looking, at which point I stopped and dropped to one knee to see if I could get a clear view of what we could now clearly hear barrelling through the scrub (I didn't).

We don't know what we'd startled, but it was at least dog/pig sized by the racket it was making, and didn't sound like a roo/wallaby.

Nearby we found a small tree that had been pulled out roots and all (not a real easy task), and part of the top appeared to have been chewed:

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On the way back out we found this across the track. I can't say with 1000% certainty, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't there on the way in - we were actively looking on the track for prints, and this cross was right across the track:

PTX Cross 231009.JPG

[Jo Blose]

Sounds like you guys had a bit of fun!

I had a one to two second glimpse of a dark human shaped figure darting through some bush a couple of months ago. Mine was a daylight sighting. So I can relate to the automatic response of the human mind to question the actuality of something odd perceived.

As for the Docs hot tips, his tip on leaving a hair brush out at a hot spot seemed reasonable. I tried it and the hair brush disappeared. Pop that one on your to do list for your next venture.

[Dean Harrison]

Hey Tim,

I have misplaced your number. Can you or Dan get in touch with myself or Joe. Time to get our hands dirty again. Keeping the numbers low.

DMH

[forestguy]

Dean - just dropped you an email.

Joe - sounds interesting, get anything else apart from the glimpse?

[Jo Blose]

A glimpse is a step up for me, forestguy! A step up!!

My last daylight incident involved something very heavy sounding, ponderously stomping it's way up to the back of my stationary car through long, dead, crunchy grass, and alongside my driverside, with me in the driver seat staring out the driverside windows. (With my hand poised on the carkeys in the ignition) The problem is, whatever it was, was not visible to my eyes!!! The sounds I was hearing absolutely did not match what I was seeing! Of all my anecdotal experiences that one is king! Don't worry though, I fully documented it at the time. Haven't been able to make sense of it, but it's documented!

So yes, a glimpse was well received by me!!!

[forestguy]

Absolutely! Don't get me wrong, anything like that is great. I meant more like a print or something in the area, but sounds like you had fun regardless.

[Dean Harrison]

Similar scenario happened to myself and Marcus at the same location as Joe. Very hard to grasp and comphrehend. Perhaps there was a rational explanation, however which one I'm yet to fathom.

DMH

[mad_keen]

hey everyone!

im clearly not as into this as everyone else is on here but i reallyy cant c how 2 sticks on the ground is a yowie thing. or how you could even think it was. i duno how this all works but i cant c why a big hairy man is cruising round putting stick crosses all over the forest.

i know this that ur just reporting stuff that you saw but yerr..

anyway it was a good read

[forestguy]

I went back to this site today to check on the temptation bait (still there).

On the road in the local authority has put up big new trespasser warning signs, and also a warning that they're baiting for wild dogs.

I've been having a bit of a think and put together this attempt at a hair snare:

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There's fruit in the wire basket at the bottom that can only be reached through the pipe above. There's a layer of cling wrap across the bottom opening (for prints?) and inside the tube itself are a couple of pads of steel wool, which will hopefully catch hair...

While I was on-site today, taking this pic before fixing it to the fence, there was a big commotion in the scrub around 50-100 metres away, sounded like a big rock being thrown around. Unfortunately I had the kids in the car so I could only hang around for a little while, but I didn't see anything

Hope to get back during the week to check in.

[Shazzoir]

Great idea, FG, can I make an added suggestion?

You know the best thing for catching hairs? The 'hook' side of Velcro. You can buy it in rolls, or in sticky adhesive strips or dots, and it catches hair like nobody's business!

I was thinking only a small Yowie might be able to put his hand down the tube to get the fruit - though I'm not sure what diameter the reel is. Also, I thought a hungry Yowie might just pull the mesh 'basket' off, and access the fruit that way... maybe something a bit sturdier, made of say, weldmesh? Again, I only say this as I'm not 100% sure of the construction of your trap. But crikey, what a great idea!

I am keen to see if you come up with something's forearm hairs. It would be a bit too much for anyone to claim that any hairs captured in this gizmo are from cattle, dogs, cats etc.! though cats can and do use their paws to swipe things out of areas they cant get to. Having said that, cats also aren't generally attracted to fruit, LOL!

Again, great idea and execution!

Kind regards,
Shazz

[_Daniel_]

But do not leave either your car keys or a lighter

This one's very important! Do not drive off without your car keys people!!

[forestguy]

Aww shucks, thanks Shazz. Thanks for the tip, I'll look at that for Mk II.

Doc Scream - if one shows up at my place my wife is going to be really pissed...

[Mike Williams]

This one's very important! Do not drive off without your car keys people!!

Double sided "quoll tape".
http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/WR9780249.htm
On another Note..Neal B..I was reading another quote of yours in another forum.

I have audio/video of a Bigfoot going ballistic at 300 yards away.

Neal...Sounds very interesting..can you post this footage online please..


Mike

[Fred Tobin]

forestguy, I would not be so quick to disregard any kind of noise like a rock being thrown. You might try talking to the forest in the direction from whence the noise came, next time. Using words like mate, friend, buddy, hello, sir, Mr. Yowie, could only be beneficial to removing any concern a possible yowie had to your immediate presence in the area. Talk slowly as they will likely be relying on telepathy to understand the true intent of what you are communicating. Leave a colorful and useful gift and/or food. Like apples smothered in pancake syrup. And tell them that this gift is for them. But do not leave either your car keys or a lighter. Don't leave garbage as that is a bit of an insult, like a trail camera. Having kids around, may have been the original attractant. And don't forget to say good bye. And never ask them to come visit you. Because they will.

Do you really think that this approach is going to endear the yowie community to anyone?
It is marginal enough without the need for the added er...., elements.

[forestguy]

Double sided "quoll tape".
http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/WR9780249.htm

Nice - mine was inspired by a similar sort of one for wolverines in California...

[Jo Blose]

Fred Tobin wrote, "Do you really think that this approach is going to endear the yowie community to anyone? It is marginal enough without the need for the added er...., elements."

Well said Fred, but in case it escaped your attention Sir, one of the Docs tips from several months ago paid off for me in the field. As far as I'm concerned, the Doc knows more about this than some are prepared to give him credit. I for one could care less what aspects of this research endear to the larger community. Why don't you make a long list of the Docs tips and check each of them off when next interfering with habitats, and then report back to us? Better still, drive to the remotest yowie hotspot ever, (Topender may be able to help you on this one) and be sure to leave your car keys hanging on a tree branch nearby. I look forward to hearing the results!

[forestguy]

Perhaps they have something to trade for say, a cigarette lighter.... They probably have a dead rat or something like that, to swap you for your prized lighter.

But do not leave either your car keys or a lighter.

So, lighter, or no lighter?

[Fred Tobin]

Fred Tobin wrote, "Do you really think that this approach is going to endear the yowie community to anyone? It is marginal enough without the need for the added er...., elements."

Well said Fred, but in case it escaped your attention Sir, one of the Docs tips from several months ago paid off for me in the field.

Well I guess it did escape my attention. might you be so kind as to re inform me as to the details?

As far as I'm concerned, the Doc knows more about this than some are prepared to give him credit.

He quite possibly might. But he does seem to explain one mystery with something even more mysterious ( and considerably more unlikely and harder to collect evidence for), namely the whole "inter-dimensional" theme.

I for one could care less what aspects of this research endear to the larger community. Why don't you make a long list of the Docs tips and check each of them off when next interfering with habitats, and then report back to us?

The more accepted the crypto community is by the mainstream, the more likely it is to be taken as a serious science. The goal should be to remove the crypto title, and aim for zoology.

Interfering with habitats?. This sounds a little derogatory.
Why the hostility? Have I somehow offended you?

Better still, drive to the remotest yowie hotspot ever, (Topender may be able to help you on this one) and be sure to leave your car keys hanging on a tree branch nearby. I look forward to hearing the results!

Well were I to do this, I would have to eliminate many other candidates first. Birds spring to mind. Ever played golf? That certainly gives you an insight into the pilfering ability of our feathered friends.

If topender can drive his car there, it cannot be totally isolated. many other folks have cars. I think more solid evidence of the existence of yowies would be needed before key theft could be attributed to them.

[lil foot]

Perhaps they have something to trade for say, a cigarette lighter.... They probably have a dead rat or something like that, to swap you for your prized lighter.

But do not leave either your car keys or a lighter.

So, lighter, or no lighter?

hey fg i wouldnt be leaving anything that may incriminate you, imagine... a bushfire is deliberately lit, and the cause of the fire, a lighter with guess whos fingerprints.. the same could be said for leaving another destructive tool of sorts.... spray cans.
id stick to things like maybe toys and such.

[SAB 8]

Fred writes: He quite possibly might. But he does seem to explain one mystery with something even more mysterious ( and considerably more unlikely and harder to collect evidence for), namely the whole "inter-dimensional" theme.

The more accepted the crypto community is by the mainstream, the more likely it is to be taken as a serious science. The goal should be to remove the crypto title, and aim for zoology.

So what are you trying to say. Lets just ignore any reported encounter that comes in that contains any paranormal factors just so we can fit it into a neat little box so it is more digestable for the scientific community??? Isn`t science about collecting all possible data and putting forth hypothesis and/or theories based on the data/research gathered? I didn`t read the part where you disregard research and theories simply because they don`t sit nicely within current scientific understanding!

Numerous encounters described both in Australia and the US describe this creatures almost mystical ability to evade detection or capture. I think it would be incredibly foolish to discount the theory that this being is of an interdimensional nature based on the fact that we cannot prove it (YET)! I honestly believe in a future time period we will develop technology which will be able to measure and prove the existence of alternate dimensions and possibly lifeforms within these levels of existence. Many modern physicists already strongly support the existence of multiple dimensions! We should realise by now that not all energy is visible to the human eye. Certain energies vibrating at alternate frequencies are completely invisible to us yet they still exist!!! For example - Radio waves, UV light - these forms of energy exist - they even interact with our physical bodies - yet they are completely invisible to us. The only way we know they exist is because we have developed technology which can measure, discern, or intercept them (Is it really such a leap of faith to speculate that there could exist other life forms that exist at different vibrational frequencies which are (or have the ability ot be) invisible to us. All matter in its simplest form is simply energy (ourselves included - the chair you sit on - the food you eat) and all energy vibrates at certain frequencies! I think to discount paranormal theories based on them sounding to esoteric is incredibly short sighted. Science has proven time after time that many things which have been considered fantasy, impossible or incredulous in previous generations has in fact become a reality in the modern era. It`s amazing to me how people don`t learn from the past. Before the advent of the microscope people would laugh at the notion that living organisms (bacteria and viruses) so small that they cannot be seen are capable of killing people! Remember the famous astronomers who lived under the constant threat of the inquisition and being burned at the stake for stating what is now common understanding! Or my favourite! When it was widely believed in scientific circles that the world was flat and people who thought otherwise were crazy and foolish! I believe that future technological advancements will vindicate current research and exploration of this being! We must view this phenomena with an open mind in order to determine its true nature!

[Fred Tobin]

SAB 8

I wrote this.

He quite possibly might. But he does seem to explain one mystery with something even more mysterious ( and considerably more unlikely and harder to collect evidence for), namely the whole "inter-dimensional" theme.

The more accepted the crypto community is by the mainstream, the more likely it is to be taken as a serious science. The goal should be to remove the crypto title, and aim for zoology.

You say, in reply;

So what are you trying to say. Lets just ignore any reported encounter that comes in that contains any paranormal factors just so we can fit it into a neat little box so it is more digestable for the scientific community???

Heres an answer to that question.
No. What I said was this.

He quite possibly might. But he does seem to explain one mystery with something even more mysterious ( and considerably more unlikely and harder to collect evidence for), namely the whole "inter-dimensional" theme.

The more accepted the crypto community is by the mainstream, the more likely it is to be taken as a serious science. The goal should be to remove the crypto title, and aim for zoology.

You are using, unintentionally I suspect, a Strawman argument.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
You are debating yourself, not me.
Perhaps in light of this, you might reconsider the content of your lengthy post.

[SAB 8]

Fred I`m going to have to be honest with you..... I`m a little disappointed with your come back. The Straw Man argument is the best you could do. I think you may be reaching for straws.... correction, straw men!

Heres an answer to that question.
No. What I said was this

I know exactley what you said but thanks for quoting it twice anyway! That is why I replied with what are you TRYING TO SAY as apposed to what you DID say. Maybe I should have exchanged "trying to say" for "implying" (IMPLY: To express or indicate indirectly). Me so sloppy with my English!

Fred Tobin wrote, "Do you really think that this approach is going to endear the yowie community to anyone? It is marginal enough without the need for the added er...., elements."

But he does seem to explain one mystery with something even more mysterious ( and considerably more unlikely and harder to collect evidence for), namely the whole "inter-dimensional" theme.

Afraid I`m going to have to disagree with your whole straw man theory Fred. I went over it in detail to see if you might actually have something but came to the conclusion that you were having hallucinations of straw men (perhaps a Wizard of Oz fan?) - it did provide me with a moment of amusement though. Your above statements have clearly implied that you very much doubt the interdimensional and/or paranormal explanations presented in this thread and question the inclusion of such material by the "yowie community". I responded by suggesting that this material should not be discounted so easily just because it does not fit in with current scientific opinion. Now, how you came to the conclusion that I am debating with myself is a mystery which is perhaps even greater than the Yowie phenomenon we so desperately seek to answer!


The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

I have not ignored your position. On the contrary, I have understood your skepticism (bordering cynicism) in regards to "inter-dimensional" explanations and simply offered a differing opinion. Maybe I have misinterpreted your statements and in fact you fully agree with Doctorscreams opinions? (A clear response for once would be much appreciated)

Fred can you please answer me this question. Should yowie encounters from credible witnesses which contain paranormal elements be accepted or rejected in research circles?

[Fred Tobin]

Should yowie encounters from credible witnesses which contain paranormal elements be accepted or rejected in research circles?

Any "report" or anything else, for that matter, is only as strong as its weakest link.
If one of those links is the paranormal, then that is a link with zero actual quantifiable evidence.
That is why it is called para-normal. If it were backed up by science, then it would be by definition, normal.
Again, it is explaining the mysterious with something even more mysterious and unexplainable.

Just for the record here, I am not saying that Yowies are impossible and cannot exist. They are a quite reasonable proposition. However, should they exist (and they may well do so) then they are subject to the same realities that you, I and every other living organism on the planet are.
Can you tell me any other organism that has "hyper/multidimensional capabilities/characteristics"? Before you go down that road, you have to establish that such thing is possible.


And yes, you did use a strawman, by your own definition.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

That is why I replied with what are you TRYING TO SAY as apposed to what you DID say.

I am quite capable of construction arguments, and I wasn't trying to say anything beyond the actual text.. What I said was what I wrote, obviously.
Were I wanting to say what you beileve
I was, then that would have been very clear, and you would not have needed to write it for me. QED, Strawman.

I'm not sure who you are arguing with , but it certainly isn't me.

So to answer you question.
Unless the paranormal elements are backed up with some sound science, and its going to need to be damn good, given our current understanding, then any paranormal elements should indeed cast significant doubts.
To include them is another fallacy called special pleading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

[SAB 8]

If it were backed up by science, then it would be by definition, normal.

How many scientific organisations have made legitimate attempts to study the phenomena? How many research papers have been written? How many have actually made a serious attempt to even look into it? How many scientists have proved that the phenomenon does not exist? As far as I`m aware very few if any have made the attempt. Maybe if the ego driven all-knowing scientific community took this subject seriously we would have the quantitive evidence you desire. Why do these organisations rubbish the thousands of reported sightings and the huge amount of secondary evidence obtained. Why? It’s a mystery to me. As Einstein said: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. I`m afraid that refers to your beloved scientific community because they have not made one legitimate study into the phenomenon.

Can you tell me any other organism that has "hyper/multidimensional capabilities/characteristics? Before you go down that road, you have to establish that such thing is possible.

I`m afraid to burst your bubble Freddy but many physicist take the notion of multi-dimensions very seriously. Its not a huge leap from there to theorise that other lifeforms may exist within other dimensional realities. Maybe its time to throw your 1920s physics book collection in the bin and buy a brand spanking new set published sometime in the 21st Century!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

http://www.physorg.com/news174921612.html

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/manyworlds/

and yes, you did use a strawman, by your own definition.

Ha ha ha ha whatever makes you sleep better at night Fred. Ha ha ha…..

To include them is another fallacy called special pleading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

More dribble and more BS Fred. Just like your Straw Man!

If one of those links is the paranormal, then that is a link with zero actual quantifiable evidence.
That is why it is called para-normal. If it were backed up by science, then it would be by definition, normal.

Yes – just because it is paranormal does not mean it cannot exist. (Paranormal – Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation). I believe our scientific knowledge in regards to the mechanics of the universe is still very limited. I have not previously stated that Yowie`s are interdimensional in nature I have simply stated that this possibility should not be rubbished. By rubbishing this theory you discourage all further research into this aspect of the phenomenon. I am still open to a variety of possibilities including the Yowie being purely a flesh and blood creature as you believe to be the more probable explanation should this creature exist. However, I am not going to ignore the fact that many witnesses have described paranormal occurrences in relation to their encounters. You cannot throw that kind of data away simply because it doesn`t fit into current scientific understanding. Your philosophy belongs in the dark ages. A large chunk of what is in scientific textbooks is simple scientific theory, much of which has very limited “quantifiable evidence” to support it. Why? Because a great deal of phenomena cannot be put under a microscope, measured, recorded, probed, monitored. So instead of deleting certain phenomena from existence the scientific community forms theories to explain the existence (or possible existence) of phenomena. The theory of the Yowie being an interdimensional creature is simply a theory based on multiple witness testimony. It is one of numerous theories. I have not claimed that the yowie is an interdimensional creature I simply stated that that the theory or belief should not be discounted and/or ridiculed and I gave reasons why. I thought you were a Stick Man expert and here you are Stick Manning me!

Another question Fred? How much time have you spent out in the Australian bush looking for evidence of the yowie? How many witnesses have you interviewed? How much exchange wilth fellow researchers have you had? How many encounter sites have you visited? I am not claiming to be an expert (in fact, far from it) but I have made reasonable attempts to do all of the above. Through this investigation my beliefs and views on the Yowie have changed and evolved (they still are) based on whatever evidence I could find or whatever evidence has been presented by fellow enthusiasts. From your limited viewpoints presented I am assuming you have done very little of the above. My point is that maybe if you spent a bit more time away from your armchair and bookshelf than you may have experiences for yourself which may force you to start questioning the true nature of reality.

I am quite capable of construction arguments, and I wasn't trying to say anything beyond the actual text.. What I said was what I wrote, obviously. Were I wanting to say what you beileve I was, then that would have been very clear, and you would not have needed to write it for me.

English translation: blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yaddah, yawn, yawn , yawn blah, blah, BS, blah, BS, dribble, dribble, dribble… zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'm not sure who you are arguing with , but it certainly isn't me.

HAHA HA HA, ohhhhh Fred, if you are not already a comedian then you should seriously consider a career as one. You are a funny man!! In regards to me arguing with myself I totally agree, after all I was the one who implied that paranormal explanations are BS and then I replied back to myself that they shouldn`t be discounted because of a lack of scientific evidence. I again jumped onto the forum and totally contradicted myself again by stating that the lack of scientific evidence reinforces my opinion that that paranormal explanations are BS and so on and so on… YES FRED, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. I HAVE BEEN ARGUING WITH MYSELF ALL ALONG BECAUSE HAVING A RATIONALE DEBATE WITH YOU IS EQUILAVENT TO TALKING TO A BRICK WALL - WHICH IN EFFECT IS TALKING TO YOURSELF. I totally see your point now. Now, time for me to take my medication otherwise I might begin another argument with myself!

Listen Fred I could have this argument with you – correction, I could have this argument with myself for another 20 years and nothing constructive will come out of it. I do not wish to put my fellow forum members under any more trauma than they have already suffered by forcing them to read through more tedious exchanges so I`m going to have to end my contribution here. When you come up with something interesting, constructive, useful or relevant to talk about then I`d be happy to reply to your dribble (oops I mean discussion). I have a feeling I`ll be waiting an awful long time before that happens so all the best Fred and keep that head firmly buried in the sand mate!

[Strange2]

How many scientific organisations have made legitimate attempts to study the phenomena? How many research papers have been written? How many have actually made a serious attempt to even look into it? How many scientists have proved that the phenomenon does not exist? As far as I`m aware very few if any have made the attempt. Maybe if the ego driven all-knowing scientific community took this subject seriously we would have the quantitive evidence you desire. Why do these organisations rubbish the thousands of reported sightings and the huge amount of secondary evidence obtained. Why? It’s a mystery to me. As Einstein said: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. I`m afraid that refers to your beloved scientific community because they have not made one legitimate study into the phenomenon.

Good point SAB

Unfortunately, the scientists that do risk not only ridicule but careers as well..

[Mike Williams]

Can you tell me any other organism that has "hyper/multidimensional capabilities/characteristics"? Before you go down that road, you have to establish that such thing is possible.

If ..yowies were paranormal..they would not be an "organism"..
So there would be no biological analogy.

Mike

[Shazzoir]

[quote="SAB 8"]How many scientific organisations have made legitimate attempts to study the phenomena? How many research papers have been written? How many have actually made a serious attempt to even look into it? How many scientists have proved that the phenomenon does not exist? As far as I`m aware very few if any have made the attempt..... Why do these organisations rubbish the thousands of reported sightings and the huge amount of secondary evidence obtained. Why? It’s a mystery to me. As Einstein said: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. I`m afraid that refers to your beloved scientific community because they have not made one legitimate study into the phenomenon.[quote]

I'd like to throw in my opinion on this one. Science is funded by either the government or private industry. Unless you have a wealthy benefactor willing to bankroll your investigations, then you will most likely never see any real research into cryptids. Why? Because there isn't any money in it. I've said this before in a different thread, but it's the same message: Science for science's sake is a rare commodity and most likely only done by researchers in their spare time, as 'work' time is needed to do the research that earns your bread and butter (as you know, there isn't much of a living to be made from cryptozoology).

Also, name one big business who would be willing to put up money to fund research into something that is really still considered to be very doubtful as to whether the creatures we seek even EXIST and CAN be researched. They know they could be held up to ridicule and nobody wants negative publicity, do they? It's a catch 22 and therefore a high risk proposition. Think of Dan Aykroyd's character in the movie "Gosbusters" who says: "I've worked in the private sector - they expect results" This sums it up perfectly: you may think you have found something but unless anyone else will believe you, your are out of luck and without a concrete result to show funding bodies, well, good luck with that!


And 'they' may rubbish the results you have come up with because their boss has told them "Say anything and you are out of here" We are NOT allowed to make ANY public comment unless it goes through Communications first, and that is about as likely to happen as your dog learning to speak Esperanto and taking up public speaking.
Shazzoir

[Strange2]

Your spot on Shazza Maguire..."Show me the money!"...Unless, of course, there are possible military benefits to be gained from such research.. but the public will never know about that type of research anyway...

As Groucho Marx once said, Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms...

[Rastus]

How many scientific organisations have made legitimate attempts to study the phenomena? How many research papers have been written? How many have actually made a serious attempt to even look into it? How many scientists have proved that the phenomenon does not exist? As far as I`m aware very few if any have made the attempt..... Why do these organisations rubbish the thousands of reported sightings and the huge amount of secondary evidence obtained. Why? It’s a mystery to me. As Einstein said: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. I`m afraid that refers to your beloved scientific community because they have not made one legitimate study into the phenomenon.

Im sorry but I dont know how you know what the worlds scientists have been up to both now and in the past in regards to any studies or research carried out. Are you the all seeing eye?

People keep repeating the same questions as in the above quoted passage for example but dont stop to think that one person walking in the forest and conducting a search is actually someones attempt at finding evidence and conducting research. It doesnt have to be 10 scientists, 20 or 100 all backed by a Phd's and big dollars from large conglomerates or government grants, it is also average Joe conducting his own search for evidence that is just as valid as what any scientist could do. For as far as I'm aware there is no University qualification into any Bigfoot, Yowie or any Paranormal activities. People without fancy letters to their name can also discover things.

So for you to say there has been no studies is downright wrong. We dont know what every scientist in the world has studied and when. Doc Scream with his idea's and beliefs is studying this phenomena in his own way no matter how hard it is for some people ( myself included) to see where he he is coming from. That is still study / research. Dean and the team searches as well. That is study. Read back through the forums about people going on expeditions. Thats study. You see my point? Just because most people here dont have the grand titles it doesnt make their research any less valid.

Having said that one can research all they want until the cows come home but until confirmation through direct tangible evidence occurs then this phenomena is only hearsay and will be treated as such by most in society. No good complaining about lack of " legitimate" studies either, for I'm sure everyone who does any form of research considers it legitimate.

An uneducated man going out on weekends when he can afford it has just as much chance as a Government backed University graduate of stumbling across evidence or a new discovery.

Research abounds.

[topender]

I can relate to this argument, i DO NOT advertise my belief and obsession with this subject..my employer would be less than understanding, i have an old friend in the same organisation ( place of learning ) who is an anthropologist, this person is also into this subject but keeps themself a secret little file and would not dare to " come out of the closet "..result .....end of career.
I dont know how you/we/us can get the austarlian scientific community to look at this seriously or even get an aussie TV network to produce a serious mini series or doco on the subject, i mean ts not as if they weould be short of expert advisors...opit, cropper,healy, harrison, gilroy and the list goes on,


cheers