Patterson/Gimlin Footage "problems" ??

[Mike Williams]

I was sent these links tonight..I was interested in everyones thoughts..
Was there 3 men at the Patterson site or is this from earlier footage from ?



Man in background..or did someone fake the body when they used a false colour under a natural shadow effect(the face?) which just happens to look like a head.?




Footage problems...yes/no..?


Mike

[Jim Hocking]

Hey Mike
All I can see is three blank white squares, is something missing or do we get to fill them in ourselves?

Maybe my problem. yes slow download. Sorry

[Mike Williams]

Hi Dashboard..its loading the page a bit oddily..sometimes...but..its showing 3 youtube boxes/video that play...
Have you got the latest version of flash installed..?
Or is it only showing the videos to me..
Am I now posting public videos..into a public forum..for my own private viewing..
Anyone else play/see the videos..???

Mike

[urodacus]

G'day Mike.
They are working fine for me.
Cheers

Urodacus

[NoPolys]

Mike;

One would have to agree that if you were able to discredit the PG clips, it would be much easier to make the whole "problem" go away.

I've been watching all the various clips since around '69, and I am still confused. It could be a bad suit as some claim....... except with all the suit investigations there isn't evidence that it is a certain fake. If it is a body under that fur, it would have taken special effects due to limb length and size that have never really been replicated without prosthetics that are expensive and difficult to build (pointed out by yet another pro-film person).

My biggest concern with the whole PGF issue is the way the stories have changed over time and how "new footage" seems to filter out every few years. I tend to
believe we will never know the true full story.

It's fascinating stuff to be sure...

That area of California is still wild and as pristine as you can find in the region. It's still largely unexpolited and beautiful country.

cheers

ps I tend to think it was a real encounter even if it was a mistake. Take a look at the history behind the area and the proposed road that to date has not been built. The original logging road was surveyed to run along the river, this is what we see in the PGF clips. Later, the proposed road was to run along the crest of the mountains. Weyerhauser stopped pushing development and left a bunch of board feet of timber. Something they were not known to do often. When Weyerhauser dropped their backing, the USFS stopped pushing the issue allowing protective legislation to catch up to the challenge. (http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~jae1/emenLyng.html is a short background link from a class taught in a N. Calif University).

pps By charter and tradition, the Unites States Forest Service is not strictly in the protection business. That's the National Parks domain. USFS is in charge of public land that can be utilized for recreation and profit (logging, mining, off road recreation, hunting, grazing etc). They are a strong influence in the US Department of Agriculture's voice in wildlands use.

[sealo]

Interesting vids,

The "Gimlin" hiding in the bushes however seems a little odd, if they were trying to fake the film, why would you even chance the possibility of being seen in frame? especially standing directly in the film path, what would have been gained / why would Gimlin be standing in the bushes there?

Just another case of someone's interpretation of the patty film, whack some coloured layers on the frame to highlight how they interpret the image and bang Gimlin is having a picnic in the background.. Amazing...

The Hat video.. who cares can it be proven that was even the same day? the same location? or even the same people?? (I don't know it may be, but it wasn't highlighted in the video)

The Suit video.. there is so much back and forth on that issue, but from all I have heard, read and seen over the years, in my opinion the animal shown in the patty film is indeed a real creature, the evidence on the "real" side of the argument FAR out weighs the opinions shown on that video, as NoPolys mentions, many a suit expert, as well as anthropologists and human movement specialists have concluded that the creatures proportions are not human, the suit could NOT have been produced at the time of the films creation as well as various soft tissue and muscle movements which were beyond the capabilities of available technologies at the time.

Anyway that's my 2cents

[NoPolys]

sealo;

One of the conspiracy stories goes goes something like; The PGF clips are really footage of an ambush of up to five animals that came through that clearing. The hiding figure in the clip Mike put up has been claimed to show one of as many as three or four people in the treeline (I forget the exact number, I can't see any of them anyway) and it's claimed artifacts on some of the footage are actually showing muzzle flashes from firearms. It doesn't help that as far as I know there is no single continous "PGF film". It's been cobbled and spliced many times over the years so there are several "hats in the frame", "shadows jumping", perhaps even an emulsion reversal that would project to a mirror image of the actual scene, as well as generally poor continuity.

The whole timeline/continuity issue, among others, is what critics have used to good effect............... except for those few frames.....................

That's part of the story and speculation, how much of it is true, I dunno.

I do know that even though the area is mostly coniferous forest, because the logging road is close to a water source there are a mixture of deciduous trees showing that look to me like cottonwood trees. If you look closely you can see the changes in the color of the leaves as winter gets closer from clip to clip (non-sequentially). I have no way to gauge a timeline from the change, but the indication to me is it was over a period of time in the weeks range..... or even from one season to the next.

I hope this didn't muddy the waters even more for ya

cheers

[sealo]

Not at all mate

Don't even get me started on the "blood bath" theory, and the frames used to support that story, absolutely laughable..

MK Davis is a piece of work, that's all i'll say..

[NoPolys]

[NoPolys]

I still return to those few frames..... everything else aside, they can be compelling.

cheers

[topender]

i too have watched just about all the films and reports on the footage, if the vast amount of experts who have viewed,reviewed and dismantled this film over the years didnt find the " hidden mate" in the grassy knoll, then i say this latest revelation is nothing more than a headline grabber...right now to down off this soap box