just wondering

Unread post by **bowhunter** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:34 pm

I would just like to know something.If somebody say out hunting was to come across a yowie and managed to squeeze a decent shot off, And suppose it was killed and brought back to town prooving beyond ALL doubt that yowies exist,would this be good or bad? Good for anyone who is not skeptical...but would it be bad for the yowies in general.Would it drive humans into the bush in search of the creature.Or would people realise how important our bush is and begin to conserve it more? Also would the yowie be considered native???? i.e would the shooter be in trouble for killing it??? Just curious

Unread post by **Tish** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:51 pm

Hi bowhunter,
For me personally if I was ever to get a clear photo etc, I'd only pass it around to people in the yowie field.
Seeing what man has done so many times to nature, I wouldn't want to inflict that on a yowie.
In America there is at least one state, where it is an offense to shoot bigfoot.

Unread post by **bowhunter** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:59 pm

thats so true...maybe if one person shot a yowie then everyone would have to...by the way dont get me wrong i dont think killing one would solve anything...i'd much rather be one of the few and the proud who just know they exist...there is plenty of evidence to suggest they exist...but what evidence says they dont? Why cant a big hairy man exist?

Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:03 pm

Leave them be....

I'm with Tish. Just a good clear photo will do just fine - then would probably keep it to myself.

DMH

Unread post by **dawn** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:25 pm

I would consider anyone who killed a Yowie as being a murder, and would be very happy to see them jailed for it. I think that every idiot with a gun would be out there looking for it! Why prove something exists so it can be driven into extinction.

Unread post by **bowhunter** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:27 pm

ok i think everyone has the wrong idea...i didnt shoot one...i wouldnt shoot one and i dont know if i could...as for "idiots with guns" tell that to my target shooting club...they just love being grouped with rednecks and gun nuts...maybe ill go give charlton heston a call

Unread post by **dawn** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:29 pm

Just as an added thought....Do we really want to start some kind of war with something that can disappear without a trace....snap trees and branches, crush barrels, out run humans and basically tear a person limb from limb without raising a sweat? So far they are basically benign......don't piss 'em off!

Unread post by **dawn** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:33 pm

I'm quite happy to tell that to your shooting club, Bowhunter, I've had the dubious pleasure of walkind down a semi-suburban street and have a bullet whistle past my head, Ive also spent many nights in our country cabin listening to gunshots flying around the mountain. Which club are you with, my daughter and her husband target shoot as well. Just don't try to tell me that every shooter is responsible, I want buy it!

Unread post by **Indy** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:38 pm

Dean Harrison wrote:Leave them be....

I'm with Tish. Just a good clear photo will do just fine - then would probably keep it to myself.

DMH

If you kept it to yourself, what would the point of this site and indeed AYR be?

Doesn't your intro on this site say "The main aim of the A.Y.R. is to record strange phenomena and to present the information to you including reports and pictures"?

Just curious

Unread post by **bowhunter** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:42 pm

ok fluffy...i cant talk for all shooters...as by no means are they all responsible...but then they arent all irresponsible either are they? Northern sydney rifle club...by the way...i CAN talk for there responsibility...

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Strike two Bowhunter - message edited again. Careful what you say.

DMH

Unread post by **Tish** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:10 pm

Hi Bowhunter,
It's cool, I know it's just a hypothetical question.

Unread post by **bowhunter** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:11 pm

yeh fair enough for that but i liked the maroons one...and now its the new year us blues need to start supporting...public apologies to anyone i may have offended

Unread post by **Darren** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:29 pm

I think this was just a hypothetical Question.

I've seen this same Question, more or less, on many other forums, and it always gets people on edge! I myself, would never want any such guilt keeping me awake every night, but then again if I was being attacked, and it meant going / not going home to my children, I think I would do what ever it took to get out alive!

As for going out to hunt this animal, well . . . WHY ?
If someone was to shoot one, I think the world would be in two minds as to weather it was a bad thing or not!

There would be thoughts which justify it as science and the others which see it as murder, I'm with the others !

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:31 pm

Apologies accepted.

Bowhunter,

Surely you read the rules prior to joining our Message Board?

It clearly states on page 427, Chapter 5, Paragraph 4 - Quote: "and further more, this are to be no crude remarks about shooting Fluffy permitted at any time."

Further to that on page 1112, Chapter 16, Paragraph 37 - Quote: "No reference to Football is allowed on this forum what-so-ever, however Cricket IS accepted, but must be made on a new string and contain the name Adam Gilchrist at least twice."

Its all there in black and white if you cared to read it.........

DMH

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:33 pm

Darren,

Self defence is a completely separate matter.

DMH

Unread post by **MAGZDA** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:05 pm

Any photos or video footage I get will go straight to Dean and the yowie hunters. They will know what to do with it. But ?'ll keep a few copies to myself.

Unread post by **bowhunter** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:23 pm

cheers darren thanks for not thinking i was asking permission to go kill something. I agree now i have children i think i would do anything to get home to em...but of course only if i absolutly had to

Unread post by **Alex** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:35 pm

from what i've heard, shooting a giant homonid is.. well.. bad.

http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/classics/bauman.htm

Bauman laughed at this, but his partner insisted that he was right, and upon again examining the tracks with a torch, they certainly did seem to be made by but two paws or feet. However, it was too dark to make sure. After discussing whether the footprints could possibly be those of a human being, and coming to the conclusion that they could not be, the two men rolled up in their blankets, and went to sleep under the lean-to. At midnight Bauman was awakened by some noise, and sat up in his blankets. As he did so his nostrils were struck by a strong, wild-beast odor, and he caught the loom of a great body in the darkness at the mouth of the lean-to. Grasping his rifle, he fired at the vague, threatening shadow, but must have missed, for immediately afterwards he heard the smashing of the under wood as the thing, whatever it was, rushed off into the impenetrable blackness of the forest and the night.

Few days/nights after..

Near it lay the packs wrapped and arranged. At first Bauman could see nobody; nor did he receive an answer to his call. Stepping forward he again shouted, and as he did so his eye fell on the body of his friend, stretched beside the trunk of a great fallen spruce. Rushing towards it the horrified trapper found that the body was still warm, but that the neck was broken, while there were four great fang marks in the throat. The footprints of the unknown beast-creature, printed deep in the soft soil, told the whole story. The unfortunate man, having finished his packing, had sat down on the spruce log with his face to the fire, and his back to the dense woods, to wait for his companion. While thus waiting, his monstrous assailant, which must have been lurking in the woods, waiting for a chance to catch one of the adventurers unprepared, came silently up from behind, walking with long noiseless steps and seemingly still on two legs. Evidently unheard, it reached the man, and broke his neck by wrenching his head back with its fore paws, while it buried its teeth in his throat. It had not eaten the body, but apparently had romped and gamboled around it in uncouth, ferocious glee, occasionally rolling over and over it; and had then fled back into the soundless depths of the woods.

Make your own mind up..

Also, Dean, didn't you have a report of someone being torn apart after supposidly firing at a Yowie?

Unread post by **Dion** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:47 pm

That's karma for you Alex 'what you sow so shall you reap'

Good post

Unread post by **Ruby Lang** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:43 pm

Just as an added thought....Do we really want to start some kind of war with something that can disappear without a trace....snap trees and branches, crush barrels, out run humans and basically tear a person limb from limb without raising a sweat? So far they are basically benign......don't piss 'em off!

Cripes Dawn!

You make it sound...paranormal!

Ruby

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:14 pm

Alex,

Pure speculation and yet another unconfirmed story with no body or autotopsy to back up the claims. We have a lot of this over the years, and the answer to your question; yes we have much the same here - but unfortunately unproven.

Just one or two people's 'word' with no evidence to back it up because why? And ...Oh ho.... the Government was involved and did a "clean up".

We hear it all the time..... In some cases it 'may' be true, in others............ well......... when it gets to second hand reports - we don't want to touch them.

We have reports such as this... but no first hand party wants to talk on the record?

DMH

Unread post by **Alex** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:29 pm

Thing is, you can see it happening though, can't you? Dean, you've experienced the ferocity of a yowie first hand. It's not so hard to believe, when you think about it.

Someone is hunting, they see a yowie. They decide to take a pot-shot at it, hoping to bag 'n tag it. Next thing they know, 500lb's of giant bastard ape is running at them roaring at the top of it's lungs. It tears them apart limb from limb, only stopping when there's enough to take back to it's den to eat.

Then again, I grew up on horror movies.. so maybe this is just my own personal opinion.

Legend of Boggy Creek, Bigfoot, The Snow Beast.. seen 'um all a dozen times.

Unread post by **dawn** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:50 am

Bowman, I wasn't thinking you personally were headed for the bush to kill a Yowie, I do think that there are people out there who believe that this is the only way to 'proove' they exist. Unfortunately if the F&B people are right bout the Yowie being F & B then it will only be a matter of time before ones' shot and disected, and standing in a museum display on humanoids or something.

Unread post by **dawn** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:47 am

Hi Ruby, what if its both? What if touching down in this dimmension gives it for a time the caracteristics of F&B, it can leave footprints, cause injury to animals/trees ect., be seen as a flesh and blood animal, and then ...zap...something pulls it back to where it originates from. Its while its intransit that the red eyes,the overwhealming feelings of dread and the footprints that go nowhere, occur?

Unread post by **Ruby Lang** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:06 am

Hi Dawn,

It could well be that this thing does spend periods of time as a solid being capable of carrying out physical acts and leaving traces ie. hair, footprints etc. So yes, it could be 'half and half', but I think there is a wealth of anecdotal evidence from hauntings/poltergeist-type cases that show great force can be wielded to move/damage objects without the need for actual physical muscle/presence (well, except for maybe the 'target' person involved in these types of cases). In other words, a flesh and blood presence doesn't seem to be needed to carry out certain physical acts of force.

As far as the other stuff goes, I don't believe anyone has ever actually SEEN one of these creatures in the act of snapping logs in half, biting tree trunks or causing injury to animals - that's all speculation

. Because the existence of tree damage is deemed to be strange/unusual within the vicinity of experiences/encounters it is assumed they must somehow be linked to the yowie. It's an interesting idea, but I don't believe this to necessarily be the case.

Ruby