"Final Events" a book by Nick Redfern

[Dion]

Just finished reading a book by Nick Redfern called “Final Events and the secret government group on Demonic UFO’s and the afterlife” http://www.amazon.com/EVENTS-Secret-Gov ... 792&sr=8-1 I must say it’s one of the best books I have read on UFO’s to date, in fact it probably is, It’s a must read book.

I won’t spoil it to tell you what it’s about the link above will tell you mostly all you need to know.

I highly recommend it to anybody.

EDIT to add: And I urge anybody delving into the occult, spirituality and UFO's to be very careful, they are not what they seem.

God bless

[hillbilly]

A book of Fiction.
Yes,... fiction.

[Dion]

Hey Hillbilly

Fiction? that couldn’t be any further from the truth.

How have you come to that conclusion may I ask?

What are you theories on UFO’s?

Have you read the book?

What do you think UFO’s are? and why are they here?

Do you think they are here to help us?

I can tell you right now not only have I had a close up UFO encounter beyond your imagination. Only two people know about from this board. But have been interested in UFO's since at least 10 years of age. Nothing to be laughed at.

No….. I have never been abducted, before you ask, but I have had dealings with entities, and I can say without a doubt they are not here to help us. They are lyres, deceivers and manipulators.

Their aim is to lead us away from the real God whether you believe that or not it’s the truth and nothing but the truth.

I hope you can make the time to answer my questions as I’d be interested on what you think.

Regards Dion

[hillbilly]

Dion, I have always believed in UFO's. They have had actual impact on family and friends.
But there are heaps of authors cashing in on "believers"
to them,..the believers are are "$ucker$"
$$ source?
I respect your own encounter,
but i friggen hate those charlotans that use and manipulate, in the name of UFO.

This Author, Nick R, I feel, is one of them...
imo

[Dion]

Thats great Hillbilly but you didn't answer my Questions

How have you come to that conclusion may I ask?

What are you theories on UFO’s?

Have you read the book?

What do you think UFO’s are? and why are they here?

Do you think they are here to help us?

Also why do you think its Fiction?

I will admit I was never a fan of Nick Redfern until this book he has hit the nail on the head with this one though.

[hillbilly]

Sorry for the delay,...I've bin away out in the Wollemi area,...doing stuff.
Dion, I have not read the book, so i cant be a good judge.
I read the book reports, and trusted my "gut" feeling, thats all.
The fact that this author has been trying to cash in on the UFO enthusiast through many books, makes me wary.
Are they here to help us?
no, not yet.

[Nick Redfern]

Bronze Status:

Let me get this straight: you think I'm a charlatan, and you think my Final Events book is fiction. How do you know? Your "gut" tells you. And, in giving your opinion, you admit you haven't even read my book! I'll say this, you have a hell of a nerve to state in a public forum that in your opinion I'm a charlatan. What would your response be if I said I had never met you, but my gut told me you were a charlatan? Probably outright anger - which is what I am feeling right now.

My book most assuredly is not fiction. Every single interview conducted for the book was audio-taped and is on file. Do you think publishers don't fact-check before publishing? Do you think the author does not have to sign a contract to the effect that the book is accurate, real, etc etc? Of course they do!

Let me give you another example, my new book, The Real Men in Black, includes about 20 interviews. The publisher does not simply take the author's word that the interviews are accurate etc. ALL (and I do mean ALL) the interviewees are required to sign release forms to have their interviews included in the book (this goes for all my books). And those release forms are held by the publisher - not me. Again, all this is done to ensure that the publisher is satisfied the data and their fact-checking process is accurate.

As for the cashing in angle you bring up, that's totally laughable. It demonstrates your total lack of awareness of the UFO book publishing world. Most UFO books (and certainly mine) don't even sell 1,000 copies. And if the author gets a royalty payment of approx $1 US per book sold, that means across the course of a year or so, you might earn around $1,000 - and that's it.

The idea that this equates to "cashing in" is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Could you get by on $1K per year? I suspect not. I certainly could not, which is why most authors like me struggle to keep afloat. If you want to earn money and cash in on something the very last thing someone should be doing is writing UFO books.

Given that your gut told you I'm a charlatan and my book is fiction, I have a recomemndation for you: get a new gut.

[Dion]

Hi there Nick

I wouldn't take to heart to much of what Hillbilly has to say as much as I disagree with him he is entitled to his opinion as we all are.

Like I said for me one of the best books out there on the subject I cant recommend it highly enough to anyone.

I know the underling message of the book is that they are demonic and cant stress that enough through my own experiences

Again great book

Email sent

[hillbilly]

faaark, thanks dion and kick .i reallie landed in your there didunt I?
Dont be angry nick, you said you were angry, i just read some others opinions, and book reports and thats where i came to my opinion. just an opinion...like you have,dont you?
getting angry on an internet forum is so freaken laughable. you, as a budding author, should bear the brunt of negative criticism, and bathe in the glory of the positive.
i am not aware that there was such crappy cash in being an author, so i now have a different "opinion" to your "cashing in" ways.
I have some good forms of income and dont like to drop below the 100K per year mark, so my sympathies to you in your chosen field.
My gut? thats a bit personal, and my gut feelings have actually saved my life on nearly a dozen occasions, so I'll stick with it.
good lukk with the sales.wish i could help.

[Nick Redfern]

Bronze Status:

You say: "...getting angry on an internet forum is so freaken laughable. you, as a budding author, should bear the brunt of negative criticism."

Yes, indeed, negative criticism about someone's book is par for the course for an author, as hopefully is positive commentary.

If people like my books or dont like them, that's how it goes. People have liked, hated, been open-minded, closed-minded, etc etc about my books for all the 15 years I've been writing books. And that is to be expected when you're writing about controversial issues. I have thick skin, and a bad review is no big deal. It's just life.

And if you had said "I liked the book," or "I hated the book," that's fine. I have no problem with people's reviews of my books. It's human nature for some books to be liked and others not.

But, that's not what you did. Instead, what you did is to specifically call me - in an open, online forum - a charlatan. That does cause anger.

Wikipedia says of the word charlatan: "A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception."

It's one thing to disagree about the merits or lack of merits of a book (which is a minor issue).

It's a totally different thing to accuse someone - publicly, on the Internet - of being a charlatan, which is the same as a swindler.

Would it be, as you worded it, "so freaken laughable" if, hypothetically, I posted something to an online forum saying your parents are charlatans, when I don't even know you or your parents? No, I'm sure you wouldn't find it laughable at all.

[Nick Redfern]

Dion:

Thanks for the words. As per my previous reply, yep it's a fact of life that reviews are going to be good, bad or indifferent. And I'm fine with that. No-one is ever going to agree with everyone else about this book, that book, or any book. That's how it has been and always will be.

And if Bronze Status one day reads the book (which is always preferable when it comes to commenting on it!) and does or doesn't like it, again, that's life, and I won't lose sleep over it.

But, it's his public statement of calling me a charlatan on the Internet that made me angry. Not liking a book is one thing. Making a negative public statement about the honesty of an individual is a very different thing.

[hillbilly]

lol
beautiful Knick.

as they say, theres no such thing as bad publicity.
lol

[Nick Redfern]

That's absolutely not true re all publicity. Calling me a charlatan is practically calling me a liar. You want to have a disagreement about whether a theory that is presented in a book is vaild or not? That's fine. But don't accuse me of being a charlatan.

[Mike Williams]

A book of Fiction. Yes,... fiction.But there are heaps of authors cashing in on "believers"to them,..the believers are are "$ucker$"$$ source?I respect your own encounter,
but i friggen hate those charlotans that use and manipulate, in the name of UFO.This Author, Nick R, I feel, is one of them...imo

I think this is pretty lame calling a respected author a "charlotans"sic..because he upset you writing about a subject ..that you have a casual interest in.IMO

Dion, I have not read the book, so i cant be a good judge.

Bingo...but you didnt let your own ignorance of a subject/book/author stop you defaming him here on a public board.

I read the book reports, and trusted my "gut" feeling, thats all.

I went to the reviews on Amazon..the majority were positive..in your frustration..you must have missed them..
Based on my gut feeling..I dont think you wanted to see them.

The fact that this author has been trying to cash in on the UFO enthusiast through many books, makes me wary.

Spend time and money on a subject to produce a book now means "cash in")

Dont be angry nick, you said you were angry, i just read some others opinions, and book reports and thats where i came to my opinion.

Why should the guy not be angry.?
If I read (and believed) the opinions of people I dont know..then used your real name and implied your were dishonest then defamed you/and your business online..whist hiding behind a anonymous user name.....that would be okay with you then would it would it. ?
I didnt think so..

just an opinion...like you have,dont you?

But why is your opinion actually relevant..about a subject you have have done what in exactly ?..about a book you have not read..

getting angry on an internet forum is so freaken laughable. you, as a budding author, should bear the brunt of negative criticism, and bathe in the glory of the positive.

Critiques about interesting and complex subjects and books is one thing..wallowing in sarcasm and defamatory statements here about a subject that appears to have upset you for some odd reason is another..

i am not aware that there was such crappy cash in being an author

Bingo..now you have learnt something.
So that sort of stuffs up your

"$ucker$"$$ source

Perhaps the author actually believed in what he wrote..
On a side note..I would like to apologise to the author Nick Redfern for the defamatory comments on this board.
I know "hillbilly" is not going to apologise so thats it then.
The thread is closed..