The article has some interesting study methodology, but, as the last line indicates, it's as much politics as science from the look of it.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... rmed-human
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I will take Paleoanthropology Peter Brown's idear.Australian's have higher degree's then the U.S.A.
And is good to know he is up around my area,So if I find a skull I will let him know.
P.S very interesting read NoPolys , thanx.
And is good to know he is up around my area,So if I find a skull I will let him know.
P.S very interesting read NoPolys , thanx.

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Interesting read Nopoly's !
I find those sort's of discoveries absolutely fascinating .
Thanks mate !
I find those sort's of discoveries absolutely fascinating .
Thanks mate !
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Rusty,
Me too mate..... thankfully this article was shorter and sweeter than most!
The item that caught my attention was the endocasts...... how does one make a cast of an interior space (the inside of the skull) without breaking up the the mould? and how can a cast be better than a CAT scan? I think I've been reading too much.... siiiigh
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Me too mate..... thankfully this article was shorter and sweeter than most!

The item that caught my attention was the endocasts...... how does one make a cast of an interior space (the inside of the skull) without breaking up the the mould? and how can a cast be better than a CAT scan? I think I've been reading too much.... siiiigh

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Re: Homo floresiensis debate continues
How do you get four points of view on a scientific study? Easy, put three scientists together in one room. Or am I being too cynical? My apologies to the Irish about whom this joke was allegedly penned.
Apart from Nopolys true comment, does anyone else see the problems arising from a clearly less than exhaustive study of the subject in the first place. There is science and then there is good science.
That is how a hair goes from being identified as "human" to being "dog or marsupial".
Sometimes I am reminded of the similarity between discussions such as in that article and some of those segments on "Funniest Home Videos". You know the ones - dumb and dumber.
Never be in awe of scientists. Sometimes they just get it wrong because they have failed to address ALL the relevant factors!
Apart from Nopolys true comment, does anyone else see the problems arising from a clearly less than exhaustive study of the subject in the first place. There is science and then there is good science.
That is how a hair goes from being identified as "human" to being "dog or marsupial".
Sometimes I am reminded of the similarity between discussions such as in that article and some of those segments on "Funniest Home Videos". You know the ones - dumb and dumber.
Never be in awe of scientists. Sometimes they just get it wrong because they have failed to address ALL the relevant factors!
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Andrew;
You make a good point. We can be in awe of science (however you choose to define that word) and of other interesting phenomena, but I find being in awe of some (or most) of the people involved is a lot more difficult. We are all prone to mistakes and bias and systemic bias appears to win out often.
The "Good News" is (I think) that it only took 4 decades to expose Piltdown Man as a forgery...
or the resistance to much of Richard Wells' work in Australian herps (read that as a cynical line please). That, to me, says a lot about the "system".
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You make a good point. We can be in awe of science (however you choose to define that word) and of other interesting phenomena, but I find being in awe of some (or most) of the people involved is a lot more difficult. We are all prone to mistakes and bias and systemic bias appears to win out often.
The "Good News" is (I think) that it only took 4 decades to expose Piltdown Man as a forgery...

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