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SAB 8 wrote:This topic has been a bit narky at times. I think we need to keep a few things in mind when putting up posts (especially of a controversial nature) is that people are going to be responding with varying opinions. Some of which may be totally against your own viewpoints. You have commented a couple of times horserider that you would be interested to hear others opinions, yet when someone comes in from a differing or opposing angle you have sometimes reacted quite defensively. At no times have I intended to attack your viewpoint on this topic I simply wanted to present other opinions and possibilities!
I think most of us who have been on the forum for a while have been guilty of going on the defence at one stage or another. In fact, I have probably done it more so than anyone else. That`s to be expected, it is human nature to react defensively when ones thoughts and beliefs are placed into question. However, over time, I think I have slowly but surely become more aware of this tendancy.
The whole purpose of the forum is to throw this material amongst ourselves.... and at the end of the day many times in a discussion you just have to walk away respectfully disagreeing with others opinions. I just spent a few days with Dion, in which we had hours of debating material ad nauseum...... his ears are probably still bleeding from my barrage.... By the end of it all I think we gained a more in-depth understanding of each other`s viewpoints, but I still largely disagree with his theories and he no doubtedly does with mine.... Even though we have these polarised beliefs we are still good mates... and that won`t change! My point being is that we can rigorously debate material even having differing views whilst still maintaining respect for each other..... it can be a thin line at times but with a little self awareness and an openness to other points of view it can be achieved.
Another thing I`ll mention is that there has been some interesting thoughts and discussion on this post.... anyone that stimulates thoughtful discussion and reflection on one`s own theories and beliefs (as well as in others) are to be praised in my opinion, so kudos to you for that horserider.... But again, just be aware that when putting up topics or opinions it is almost guaranteed that someone on the forums is going to have a completely different opinion or even critique of certain subjects and they will express that viewpoint, as they should. With that in mind it may be time for us to clean the slate and move on.
well yes but others need to hold that respect when attacking a viewpoint specially when i have made it clear its an idea only hence why the topic title reads with a playful question mark at the end of it. They were attacking me for me unable to speak reagrding private stuff as well as the theory but thats okay all good & i do agree with you 100% in all your saying above so to you kudos also
Is it possible that perhaps yowie were bred/created by ET (or are part ET)
Its possible, but in all honesty there is not enough quality material available for me to even form an educated guess.
The problem I find with a lot of ancient research material is it is very open to interpretation and we cannot go back and find out from the sources what their actual objectives or motives were. Were they describing an actual event? their Gods? their mythology? a fictional teaching story? Is that symbol an actual drawing of something they saw - or is it purely symbolic in nature... is it a representation of their God/s.... etc etc?? There are so many possible interpretations and often no conclusive answers that for me a lot of this material is just littered with grey areas. Its no doubtedly interesting, but due to the obscure nature of it all I prefer focusing on more modern material to form my opinions, beliefs and theories.
Well said that man
edit: As Sab and others have said thiings can be interpreted differently by different people. Just look at religion. A lot of Jesus derived faiths stem pretty much from the same thing but have vastly different teachings and followings etc. I think even Islam has a lot in common also though im no authority on any religion.
But anyway , I once read somewhere that the great comedian / oddball Spike Milligan once wanted to be buried in a washing machine so that a thousand years into the future archeologists would be wondering what the hell happened .
A best selling book was titled, "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus."
That title is arguably true on many different levels, except of course, literally!!! (though I feel some here may challenge me on this!).
I challenge that Joe, I can see you penning a bestseller called "Skeptics are from Mars and Believers are from Venus....If You Can`t Beat Em, Spoon Em" By the Love Doctor Joe Black!!!
Rules of debunking
Any conventional explanation is better than none.
Don`t bother me with the facts my mind is made up.
If one can`t attack the data, attack the people, it is easier!
Do one`s research by proclamation; investigation is too much trouble.
[quote="horserider] well yes but others need to hold that respect when attacking a viewpoint [/quote]
"All the world is strange save thee and me, and even thou art a little strange." --Robert Owen, 1828
What is even stranger is that the original quote I put in here used the word "querr" rather than "strange" but the politically correct website changed that to "happy". Whence comes the censorship guys?
Damn - it did it again so I had to change the spelling.
Great book title SAB! When the spoons fell out of the cutlery drawer, they learnt the art of "spooning" or shall we say, "scepticism".
The title of my new new movie script is, "Planet XXX" starring Dex Dilboy, his wife Leather, with a cameo from Gweg, and my new book is, "Cryptozoology is to banks as Scepticism is to __anks" (Fill in the blank letter time! Eg. "W, PL, PR, SP, etc.)
But I do digress! Just because I occasionally visit the beach, doesn't mean I am the creator of all the shells on the sand and the seaweed on the rocks!
Embracing the contrarian viewpoint offers little joy, because heretics are constantly being hounded by devotees of orthodoxy seeking their conversion to the one true faith or their crucifixion as mortal threats to the orthodoxy. Why is this so? For two simple but profound reasons. The human mind strongly prefers certainty to uncertainty and simple, fixed explanations over complex, contingent explanations. The human mind has a second, superglue-like quality: Once a viewpoint has been plucked from the swirling chaos of beliefs and explanations, then the mind quickly solidifies that view, resisting any future modification. Very little energy is devoted to questioning the position, while enormous energy is devoted to defending it.... Zerohedge 2011
Those of us who have outgrown the absolute certainty of youthful opinion are more than happy to see where the currents of thoughts take us as we drift down the river of life and discovery.
All diverse opinions are always welcome, provided of course that they agree with our own.
Thanks Horserider, thanks for the opurtunity to lets say (release ones thoughts and theories) on a public forum with little or no criticisim
It would be a great accomplishment to provide any material supplied no matter what the ëxperts percieve. We all have an issue getting the people to provide stories and reports due to ridicule of the general public, so why would we discriminate against someone who has an open mind and wanting to learn more about a toipic that deserves more attention on a thread that believes?
Thanks Horserider for the input and fresh ideas as this topic needs all the attention for overall acceptance of this species to be accounted as a fact (not a myth).
Good to see some new ideas and I encourage anyone out there to ultimatly provide some posts regarding this or any topics posted here without any Negative critisisim.
Peace all and at the end of the day we on the same page with different theories.
Been reading "The Sasquatch People" by Kewaunee Lapseritis init he tells of beings telepathically communicating to him and saying that they were seeded here by another race so ya never know.
I've also read that their home world was destroyed (by spiderbeings?) and they scattered across the Universe seeding planets to rebuild.
Also have read that they are here to help guide us and host us when our minds achieve a 5th Dimensional state.
Pretty fun stories to think about though whatever the case.
Mat87 wrote:Been reading "The Sasquatch People" by Kewaunee Lapseritis
I also bought this book signed by Kewaunee Lapseritis himself which was nice, the “The Psychic Sasquatch” is better, I can come to terms with that one. “The Sasquatch People” however I put down after I read the second paragraph of chapter one where a female Sasquatch knocks on a man’s cabin door and makes sexual advances towards him and before you know it the Sasquatch and the man are having intercourse. Now, not saying this didn’t or couldn’t happen just found the book a bit hard to want to, and or, start reading it. I do think however that Mr Lapseritis is one the money with other things, but a very hard book to read even for me who believes in the paranormal.
“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” - Nikola Tesla
Ill have to have a look at the book: NOTE: I said look at the book NOT READ the book And see if it invites me to read it , sounds so full on though dont know that i'd be able to cope with it
This has been a really thought provoking read so far...in case anyone's interested Stan Gordons website has a couple of Bigfoot/UFO sightings on it, in the US.
Mat87 wrote:Been reading "The Sasquatch People" by Kewaunee Lapseritis init he tells of beings telepathically communicating to him and saying that they were seeded here by another race so ya never know.
I've also read that their home world was destroyed (by spiderbeings?) and they scattered across the Universe seeding planets to rebuild.
Also have read that they are here to help guide us and host us when our minds achieve a 5th Dimensional state.
Pretty fun stories to think about though whatever the case.
I finally listened to this video of Lapseritis last night, & i thoroughly enjoyed it
This is a great example of how established beleifs are hard to influence and how theories that dont fit with the accepted story come up against critisism.
I personally like the theory because in todays currant age of technology and bent governments and corparations the ancient texts wheather it be samerian tablets or dead sea scrolls among others do not seem to have any alterior motive or propaganda spin just a recount of events in detail in most cases.
The samerian tablets tell of a race of giants (the annunaki) that came to earth from the "stars" to mine gold to restore the atmosphere of their home planet. It goes on to state that humans were "created" to do the labour of these giants and they worshipped their gods in thanks for the life they had been given.
So in the past 5000 years all over the planet Europe,Northern Africa,Middle east,Asia,North Middle and South America as well as easter island in the pacific there are huge megalithic structures (obviously built with some form of technology) with individual stones weighing as much as 300 tonne accompanied by the story of "gods" decending from the skies in a blaze of glory, immaculate conception with the offspring possesing extraordinary abilities (Jesus and Hercules both sons of "gods") and of coarse the great flood. Coincidence ?? i think not
These same "gods" were also depicted in the egyption hyroglyphs as hybrids of man and beast with at least 8 of these hybrids depicted regularly in their writings.Dare i say evidence of human and hybrid "creation". It would seem plausable that an advanced race would have the technology to create such beasts like the yowie as humans now have the technology to splice and manipulate DNA and we all know humans aint all that.
Im sure this post will upset the established beleifs of most but i see a lack of writen history of humans and no reason to doubt what is written in the pages so to speak.As always when delving into the unkown we end up with more questions than answers
juic3d wrote:This is a great example of how established beleifs are hard to influence and how theories that dont fit with the accepted story come up against critisism.
I personally like the theory because in todays currant age of technology and bent governments and corparations the ancient texts wheather it be samerian tablets or dead sea scrolls among others do not seem to have any alterior motive or propaganda spin just a recount of events in detail in most cases.
The samerian tablets tell of a race of giants (the annunaki) that came to earth from the "stars" to mine gold to restore the atmosphere of their home planet. It goes on to state that humans were "created" to do the labour of these giants and they worshipped their gods in thanks for the life they had been given.
So in the past 5000 years all over the planet Europe,Northern Africa,Middle east,Asia,North Middle and South America as well as easter island in the pacific there are huge megalithic structures (obviously built with some form of technology) with individual stones weighing as much as 300 tonne accompanied by the story of "gods" decending from the skies in a blaze of glory, immaculate conception with the offspring possesing extraordinary abilities (Jesus and Hercules both sons of "gods") and of coarse the great flood. Coincidence ?? i think not
These same "gods" were also depicted in the egyption hyroglyphs as hybrids of man and beast with at least 8 of these hybrids depicted regularly in their writings.Dare i say evidence of human and hybrid "creation". It would seem plausable that an advanced race would have the technology to create such beasts like the yowie as humans now have the technology to splice and manipulate DNA and we all know humans aint all that.
Im sure this post will upset the established beleifs of most but i see a lack of writen history of humans and no reason to doubt what is written in the pages so to speak.As always when delving into the unkown we end up with more questions than answers
Thank god I finally hear some music to the ears, i like you juic3d, keep talking please hee hee
Don't take this the wrong way.But I can'nt find any proof of what is said on this thred about the Annanuki .I look on the net and whached all vids I can't find any think in the way of proof.
I read bible year's ago I don't recall Annanuki.
Is the Annanuki a faith thing?
I believe Cryptozoology of unknow animal.There is proof of new animal being found all the time.
This vid explain what I believe in .The natural world.People with faith may no like this vid?
The vid talke's a little about Cryptozoology and recognise it as a real science,about time.
The vid is called :-The Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism -- Complete Series
It go's for 2:54:34 hr http://www.youtube.com/embed/bmQZ4f9f_Yw
Hey the yowie mrx ,google gave me 1.5 million results for Annunaki but you cant find any referance to what id written??
Its kind of ironic that you ask about "faith" and that you dont recall them being in the bible. I didnt mention faith or any referance to the bible.You dont recall them being in the bible because they arnt but do you see any similarity between the book of Genesis and the Annunaki creating the Sumarians?? The Sumerians originated in Mesopotamia which lies between the Euphrates and Tigris rivers and were is Eden?? Amazingly it is said to lie between the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.
The bible is a group of books and texts about pagan gods that over thousands of years has been translated and compressed into just one book. So who were the groups or individuals doing the translating and what was added or removed to suit their purpose ?? The church is one of the most powerfull groups in the world and it didnt happen by accident.
I dont think there is sufficiant evidence to confirm the theory and if there was evidence im sure it would be destoyed or moved to a location that it will never see the light of day because do you really think the powers that be would allow ancient written evidence of yowies/bigfoot to go public?? Let alone if they were created along side humans by aliens no less.
MAYBE there may have been teachings that were passed down via word of mouth to 'chosen people' and/or in a book in another tongue, a tongue which would have to be taught to the chosen people by the Annanuki that would be unrecognisable to any other man & impossible to decipher
Maybe the book would be written by the Annanuki? hmmm now wouldnt that be interesting??????????????
.... better still, perhaps it would be a book written by man but guided by the Annanuki... interesting again??????
Ah well Im guessing none of us has ever seen such a strange book? Or heard such a tongue, soooo
The Pantheon/The AnnunakiThe majority of Sumerian deities belonged to a classification called the Anunna (“[offspring] of An”), whereas seven deities, including Enlil and Inanna, belonged to a group of “underworld judges" known as the Anunnaki (“[offspring] of An” + Ki). During the Third Dynasty of Ur, the Sumerian pantheon included sixty times sixty (3600) deities
AN
He was one of the oldest gods in the Sumerian pantheon, and part of a triad including Enlil, god of the air and Enki, god of water. He was called Anu by the Akkadians. By virtue of being the first figure in a triad consisting of Anu, Enlil, and Enki (also known as Ea), Anu came to be regarded as the father and at first, king of the gods. Anu is so prominently associated with the E-anna temple in the city of Uruk (biblical Erech) in southern Babylonia that there are good reasons for believing this place to have been the original seat of the Anu cult. If this is correct, then the goddess Inanna (or Ishtar) of Uruk may at one time have been his consort.
KI
As an earth goddess in Sumerian mythology, Ki was the chief consort of An, the sky god. In some legends[citation needed] Ki and An were brother and sister, being the offspring of Anshar ("Sky Pivot") and Kishar ("Earth Pivot"), earlier personifications of heaven and earth.
By her consort Anu, Ki gave birth to the Anunnaki, the most prominent of these deities being Enlil, god of the air. According to legends, heaven and earth were once inseparable until Enlil was born; Enlil cleaved heaven and earth in two. An carried away heaven. Ki, in company with Enlil, took the earth.
Some authorities question whether Ki was regarded as a deity since there is no evidence of a cult and the name appears only in a limited number of Sumerian creation texts. Samuel Noah Kramer identifies Ki with the Sumerian mother goddess Ninhursag and claims that they were originally the same figure.
There's a book called The Terra Papers that claims to be the history of Earth (talks about Anu, Enki(Ea) & Enlil). It was told to a group of Native Americans which helped a "star being" that crashed back to health and they passed it down by word of mouth. He showed them like a holographic thingo of the history I think... haven't read it in ages, anyway if you want to read it:
I have learn so much from this thred.
Hi Mat87
I just read Roberts Mornning Sky The Terra Papers .How old is the story.?To me it looks like a 100 or 50 year old story .Is there any proof of it being old?
It is very much like the Tiddalik the Frog story.How old is it.If there's rock art,then very old story.
So far I cann't find any thing coneckting yowies and Annanuki.
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