Do you think yowies are flesh and blood or something else???

[sapere aude]

I guess it can be difficult discussing on forums, as opposed to in person, especially on subjects that people are passionate about.

I recently had a chance encounter (not with a yowie but with a researcher of same), simply saw someone exiting a well known yowie habitat, so I pulled over to say hello (as you do ). Eventually I was to find someone who was quite unshakeable in his belief that after researching for many years, he was dealing with genuine undiscovered hominids in the area, to the point that he could understand some of their behaviour. For myself I pointed out that I enjoyed the stories but in all personal honesty thought another explanation was necessary, didn't buy the undiscovered hominid idea, for the reasons outlined in this thread and many others. Yet very amicable, completely different opinions but there was never a hint of offence inferred or taken by either.

If there is any reason I can find not to close the door completely to the possibility, it has nothing to do with science, hypothesising, any argument or speculation or anything anyone has ever been able to produce regarding yowies (which isn't much). It is simply faith in human nature. That's all there has ever been for me. When people who seem genuine, normal, intelligent people swear they have experienced something made of flesh and blood over prolonged periods, with seemingly nothing to gain except personal ridicule, who can truly say they haven't? Yet it's not enough for me to actually believe, we can't know the truth of someone else's experience.

I think my wife (a sceptic to put James Randy to shame) looks at me as having gained an "eccentricity" in my old age regarding this subject . I don't think such interests are cause for concern, until I start taking arguments about yowies personally. Then I will start to wonder...

Debate like this seems a healthy thing and it's been a very good thread, some good points have been made by all three sides (flesh and blood/paranormal/I don't really know). Each to their own and "viva la difference".

[forestguy]

Like yours, unverifiable, thus irrelevant.

Then what was the point of you asking about his if you thought the answer was irrelevant?

[David Brenton]

Like yours, unverifiable, thus irrelevant.

Then what was the point of you asking about his if you thought the answer was irrelevant?

Unless someone is prepared to do a fully checkable reveal, which I certainly wouldn't be in an open forum like this, qualifications are alleged, thus irrelevant.

Had he done so, then they would relevant, particularly if they were in the relevant field.
As he didn't, they are irrelevant. As are mine.

I hope that clears it up for you, and I apologise for any confusion the question caused.

[NoPolys]

David;

Argumentum e silentio, Petitio principii, Argumentum verbosium. All classic fallacy arguments, if you are going to diminish and demean intrinsic worth, you should at least do it without resorting to logical fallicies.....


NoPolys

[David Brenton]

David;

Argumentum e silentio, Petitio principii, Argumentum verbosium. All classic fallacy arguments, if you are going to diminish and demean intrinsic worth, you should at least do it without resorting to logical fallicies.....


NoPolys

We are all guilty of the occasional logical fallacy. You commit #3 yourself with that very list.
Here is the English translation of the Latin fallacies. Not everyone is familiar with Latin, Nopolys.

#1 Argument from silence.
#2 Begging the question
#3 Argument from Intimidation

So that myself and others might not fall into the trap of using them, perhaps you might provide the examples of where I might have used them, and why you think so?


I wonder what you mean by "diminish and demean intrinsic worth". Of what? How was the worth of what established?

[NoPolys]

David;

I hope you understand whether you believe or disbelieve in the possibility of any cryptid animal based upon your interpretation of facts, opinions or faith, the impact on me is non existant. I would not attempt to intimidate your beliefs in any way. I would expect the same level of respect from you.

When you write your well crafted contributions, the manner in which the contributions are crafted indicates to me you may be having a challenge focusing on this site's core essence. This makes me wonder why you involve yourself with this site. If your involvement is to attempt to save me (and by extension others on this site) from trying to prove or disprove the existance of a cryptid that has been acknowledged since before european colonization, let me be the first to congratulate you on your quest. It will be an arduous effort on your part to do so judging from those I've met from this site and others I have had the privlege to communicate with on this site. On the other hand, if your involvement is to poke the locals with a sharp stick and see what happens, all I can say to you is Good Luck.

Oh, and before I forget, it's Argument By Verbosity, the intimidation is from the verbosity of your arguments on my part. If you are going to critique the fallacy, at least do to to good effect.

Cheers

NoPolys

[David Brenton]

Thank you for you thoughtful words, Nopolys.
We must all examine our own positions on a regular basis, to stop us getting lazy and maintain rigour.

[FM80]

For crying out loud, what has this thread become, it was boring days ago.

Yes you're all intelligent and have choice arguments, but find something else to do. Talk about having to have the last word.

[Dean Harrison]

You are boring us all Marius VanderLubbe, aka 'David Brenton', who lurks around trolling forums and peoples FB's under different names. You really are on the lower rung of society. Or should I say sceptic society?

I have sat back watching you for a long time without saying a word because it amuses me that we mean so much to you, however enough is enough and it is time for you to be exposed. No doubt after this further ban, you will simply re-apply with yet another fake name. You're a rather unfortunate and unremarkable individual.



- Goodbye.





DMH

[Nuns]

P***ing myself laughing at that bore.

[NoPolys]

I do wish folks would at least do me the favour of keeping a kinda sorta almost the same names...... I'm old and these subtlies slip past me !!!

Cheers

[glenmore79]

but isn't this the point of this new sub-board?

[forestguy]

but isn't this the point of this new sub-board?

Trolling? No.

[sensesonfire]

Great forum and this is my first post. Thanks Ruby Lang (page one) for some fascinating reading and I also agree with you that also I think the Yowie/Bigfoot/yeti
is a paranormal shape-shifting creature able to metamorphose from apparition/spirit form into physical form. (most people would think I'm balmy but this is my belief). I've been a keen follower of this phenomena for years and over this period I've gathered much information,generally looking for threads of evidence running along a similar theme. 1. In America native Americans regard Bigfoot as a spiritual/mystical creature that they have lived in harmony with for centuries maybe to a somewhat lesser degree to Australia's indigenous folk regarding the Yowie.
2. It must be said that it rely does defy logic that over thousands of sightings over hundreds of years not a single creature has been found alive or even dead.
Footprints, hair, scats, foul odour have all been recorded in their physical form.
3. A native American woman reported seeing a Bigfoot (weighing roughly 700 pounds) standing precariously on a thin branch high in a tree which really would not have supported that sought of weight. ( It must be said that some information I have comes via shows like Finding Bigfoot, Ancient Aliens etc, and while I am a little
sceptical about commercial TV shows I do believe the witness's are genuine).
3. Another re- occurring theme is the way Bigfoot and Yowie move either running, walking. They have been seen running at High speed down steep inclines
with out tripping or falling - a physical impossibility. Others report the creature as appearing to be floating, a good example was this guy saw a yowie moving
along a ridge above him, it ran in a semi-circle movement down the hill towards him,hitting him in the chest with it's forearm. What really shocked him was the fact that the yowie had no muscular movement when running,suggesting to me this was a floating movement and being able to shape-shift from the apparition to the physical. In the U.S in New Mexico this couple were travelling around a bend in the road, when up ahead 2 Bigfoot ran across the road in front of them, up a steep sandy incline and into the forest, when they went to investigate the exact spot they found no footprints, rocks or sand disturbed - another example of paranormal form.
4. In the TV show Ancient Aliens they were correlating the incidences of increased Bigfoot activity with an increase in UFO sightings. A couple stated they were confronted by a bigfoot,it let out a terrifying roar, the husband had a gun and fired apparently the creature disappeared in a puff of smoke. At other times people with guns have reported that when they have encountered Bigfoot they have had an overwhelming feeling not to shoot.
5. Reports of glowing red eyes in complete darkness suggests this energy source is coming from within.
6. Once again in the U.S. the Finding Bigfoot crew had access to high tech thermal traacking equipment able to detect any body heat within a nine mile radius
and this was in one of the most sighted Bigfoot hotspots in the country.No sign of any Bigfoot activity was detected, deer, even racoons but no Bigfoot and I would find this difficult to believe.
7. When people have had an opportunity to obtain clear video evidence something has gone wrong with their video equipment, apparently a re-occuring theme.

These elusive creatures seem to appear and disappear at will and I seriously doubt that they will ever discover one in physical form.

[Dion]

Hi there sensesonfire

Excellent first post, I agree with much you have said.

In the last few weeks I have had a kind of epiphany, that is to say I believe I know what source Yowies, Bigfoot, Yeti and many others from around the world are from.

Generally speaking you can put UFO's, Ghosts, and many other Paranormal topics all in the same basket, (coming from the same source).

I am reluctant to say what that source is at this stage but it has been brought up by another member once before.

Welcome aboard.

[AMH-Hunter]

Well Dion,
Just though I'd let you know that I'm glad you reached a conclusion.
I'm also really interested to know what the epiphany was, but don't feel like I'm pressuring you to tell.
If you don't want to tell, just remember, you don't owe anyone here an explanation.
But if you do decide to tell then just remember I personally will never judge, make fun of or simply wave off your theory.
But don't feel like I'm pressuring you.
That's really not what I'm trying to do.

AMH

[sensesonfire]

The Bible is to people very much like Yowie/Bigfoot: you are a believer or not. While I am completely open to all evidence of these creatures I am highly sceptical
that after hundreds of years we still have no proof of flesh and blood yowies or Bigfoot and with many reports of them appearing and disappearing at will, I belief they are shape-shifters with the ability to transform from the spiritual to the physical. Two cases I would like to refer to occurred over here in Western Australia, the first at Wandering in August 2012 where 2 people travelling 2 kilometres out of town saw a yowie run across the road in front of them, without going into full details what amazed these guys is that in an area with unending open paddocks this creature just seemed to disappear. The other incident
was at Coral Bay right up north of Perth where this guy was camping in his caravan on the edge of the desert,attached to the side of the caravan was a tarpaulin which had not been zipped up. He had just gone to bed when he heard footsteps in the lean too, next minute, this huge hairy creature jumped on to him pinning
him to the bed and growled menacingly in his ear, it then got off of him and walked out. I have a problem with this, not with the guys story(he is now a Qantas Pilot), but with the outcome. A creature of this size - and it was described as huge - would be a few hundred kilos, at least the weight of a mountain gorilla and with this weight on his back you are going to have physical injuries. Was this yowie able to shape-shift from the physical to the spiritual without causing any injury, because no injuries were reported.

Without the evidence of a physical Yowie/Bigfoot I am compelled to look at a personal biblical theory that a lot of people would find preposterous; but with all theories of the supernatural ( and that is exactly what Yowie/Bigfoot are until physical evidence to prove otherwise) one must keep an open mind even to the point of being ridiculed. My theory is: as the Bible points out that as much as there are angels roaming the earth there are also demons in all shapes and guises. The Bible deals with Creation, or as the modernists refer to......Intelligent design. Scientists and others deal with evolution. This is my belief: there could be no better way than Satan himself to detract and confuse people from the Bibles theory of Creation
than to, over the centuries ,produce a hominid/ape like creature to convince people we really did evolve from apes - a sought of missing link. He is the Prince of this world and he is certainly capable of doing this. I believe the Yowie/Bigfoot are supernatural shape- shifters ( even demons) and I know I am going to cop a lot of flak from this but I believe my Theory has just as much relevance as someone with a differing view, that is until somebody either captures one or finds a dead creature to extract DNA to prove its physical existence.

[Dion]

Hi there AMH and Sensesonfire

Well seeing as it has been brought up by you AMH on page 2 of this thread and then yourself sensesonfire, I will say I have to agree with both of you.

I believe Yowies/Bigfoot could be some of the Giants of the Bible who were not all killed in the flood or bound in chains by God but left to roam the earth. I know that the spirits of the dead Giants roam the earth as demons. I also believe that there will be more and more supernatural things happening in the next few years with a lot more sightings of all things paranormal.

My epiphany came when I was listening to a radio show. I will provide a link below it goes for about 2 hours

“And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guum_Zmz-3E

[AMH-Hunter]

Interesting Dion.
After letting life take over to my hobby of Yowies, I've ended up without a theory that I believe on the Yowie now.
But the way I see it, it has to be one of three things;

Some sort of Biblical giant/ giant spirit:
In looking for a biblical explanation for these hairy behemoths hiding in our bushlands, it came to my attention that that seeing as there were lots of Giants mentioned in the first few books of the Bible, and here we have super-human like giants, that Sasuatch/Yowies are either flesh and blood remnants of those old Giants, and that some of them are the Spirits of the old giants. It would explain why some act within the boundaries of flesh and blood creatures and leave footprints, and why some encounters display spiritual sides, and things such as dematerialization, floating, glowing eyes and no footprint traces.

What particular race of Giant I have no clue. In fact, all Bigfoots probably aren't from the same race. But one of the races I've considered is the Nephilim. I know they were all supposed to have been wiped out in the flood, but the Nephilim were supposed to have demon-like powers and a physical super-human-like build. Here's one key fact that makes me consider this option;

The Nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels, angels that fell from Heaven. Perhaps these Fallen Angels pose as Aliens, and crash from outer space (Falling from Heaven). Their offspring were the Nephilim in all their horrid strength. Perhaps Bigfoot/Yowies are the Nephilim and the Aliens are secretly fallen angels. It could explain why sometimes Bigfoot/Yowie encounters are reported to be closely linked with UFOs.

The sons of Esau, the Edomites
Esau was the brother of Jacob, he was born a wild man. He was born covered in red hair that covered him like a garment, and he was described as being "a man of the field".
Genesis 25:25
"The first to come out was red, and his whole body was like a hairy garment; so they named him Esau."
After he sold his birthright to Jacob and Jacob received his blessing, eventually Esau found his way to Edom, a mountainous region (Bigfoot and the Yeti are often said to live high up in the mountains.)

An ape
If Sasquatch/Yowies aren't of either of those biblical heritages, then I think they're simply an Australian ape.
I don't believe in evolution, I believe it's a lie crafted by Satan. Himself being the King of Deception, the lie has shaped the view of the majority in the modern world and is now accepted as common fact.
Due to the world's desire to go it's own way and reject God, the majority have been lured into this lie.
If These things aren't of biblical importance then I believe they're just animals.

While not a theory I've really thought too much about, I have considered that perhaps these beings are another attempt by Satan at being creator. I considered that maybe, much like God created us to love and serve him, maybe Satan made these things to serve him and deceive us.

I'm impressed with your theory Dion, thanks for sharing it. It's really interesting and although I personally haven't settled on a theory yet, I think you're probably right.

As for the increase in UFO sightings and paranormal things in the next few years, I agree. But I won't fall for that coming UFO deception. Jesus has already appeared to people in dreams and warned them about it, I'm not so foolish that I'd ignore his word.
I believe that as we near the beginning (or end) of the Tribulation, Satan's going to up his ante. I won't be falled by him.


So then Dion, you've established that there's a link and that these creatures are biblical Giants and their spirits.
What are you going to do now?

[Dion]

So then Dion, you've established that there's a link and that these creatures are biblical Giants and their spirits.
What are you going to do now?

Well AMH another excellent post and good question, I have decided to step back from this phenomenon for a while, maybe permanently, as I will not be chasing what I consider to be Spirits.

I will continue to post here when need be and approve new members, but I will no longer be putting my energy into this phenomenon, I am not saying I am right with the above, but it’s my theory based on life experiences which sits with me.

I really don’t care what people think of my theory or of me for that matter I have made up my mind.

To anyone else seeking the answers to this mystery, GOOD LUCK you will need it.

[sapere aude]

I hope you don't mind me asking this Dion, AMH and sensesonfire (nice to meet you, by the way), but if Yowies are as you say, is there any way you might know of attracting them, or do you have any idea what does attract them? Please don't let my usual sceptical outlook put you off, or think I will look down at the answer, it's a genuine question. I have already experimented (without success) on advice from people with similar (paranormal) views, out of curiosity (and because nothing else seems to work anyway), to see what happens before forming an opinion.

I have seen a possibility for some time, that physical Yowie's might not be the common denominator (as I doubt there is any such thing), so much as something in common in some way between those that experience them. What that is I don't really know. Fascinating though. I doubt psychology/neuroscience and the like, while it could hold answers, can fully explain this subject with our knowledge as it stands. At any rate we don't even really know what consciousness is or how it comes about, at this stage. It's even more mysterious, though similar in some ways, to gravity itself. It's all around us, but exactly what it is, we have no real idea.

[Dion]

I hope you don't mind me asking this Dion, AMH and sensesonfire (nice to meet you, by the way), but if Yowies are as you say, is there any way you might know of attracting them, or do you have any idea what does attract them?

Hey Sapere aude

There is no method I know of that will gain you any advantage to getting a sighting or encounter, if I knew one I would have used it years ago.

People say this method or that method works best, Wood knocking, screaming/howling, and sitting meditating, using a FLIR, having Woman or Children with you, playing an instrument, going solo, the list goes on.

Anyway if they were out there as Flesh and Blood we would have evidence by now, something tells me there is an engender behind the phenomenon. Maybe it’s to get people believing in evolution, or the paranormal esoteric type topics or that we are not alone in the universe, anything to lead man away from shall I say………God.

On a side note in some Native American Culture Bigfoot/Sasquatch is said to be a cannibal, a trickster.

Here in Australia the Native Indigenous people often call Yowies, Devil Devils.

Something to ponder over.

[sensesonfire]

Hi Sapere Aude, (Nice to meet you too)

I refer back to Ruby Lang's fascinating reading on Yowies and Bigfoot where she states a friend of hers after moving into their new Blue Mountains home decided to have a spiritual meeting ( similar to seance's ) to welcome all bushland creatures into her home - it certainly worked because yowies started to appear in her back yard. I don't know if this is one aspect of contact you have tried but I would strongly advise against it because it could have repercussions of all sorts of paranormal visitations. Harking back to Ruby's post and reports of large black cats - panthers,( and these have often been seen in the company of yowies ) this, to me, is another indication of a supernatural being because in medieval times black cats have been maligned with bad luck, witches and the occult. Scientists, psychologist quite often come up with the 'cop out ' explanation that when you see something extraordinary, your mind quite often exaggerates what you are actually seeing.
Good luck in your pursuit of Yowie but please, avoid seance's.

[forestguy]

...I have decided to step back from this phenomenon for a while, maybe permanently, as I will not be chasing what I consider to be Spirits.

Hey Dion - I see Senses touched on it above with big cats, but just wondering what this means for you personally with regard to other things crypto - big cats; thylacine; etc?

Sapere - in a similar vein to what Senses has referred to above (inviting them) you might be interested in having a read of the habituators thread over at the BFF (http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/top ... g-bigfoot/). I think it's up to 90 pages or something ridiculous, so you'll have to do a fair bit of winnowing the wheat from the chaff, but there's been some interesting tidbits here and there in that thread - based on your query, you might be interested in some of the observations from people who've had visitations at a succession of properties.

[Rusty2]

Hey guy's , just thought I'd put my two cents worth in here .

I dont discount anyones opinion by any means or what the bible says , but it isnt a mystery for me anymore . They might be mystical they might not , I dont know what their capable of and it doesnt really matter .

The biggest problem is , we unknowingly play by their rules , but no one said we should , we just go through the motions , putting our cameras out in the open for everything to see and hope for the best . I dont play by their rules anymore , I make them play by my rules and they dont even know . Everyone should have a serious think about that because its where everyone the world over fails , were failing at the first step .

Another huge problem is we compare ourselves to them to try and comprehend whats going on , we shouldnt be doing that . What ever they are , they are there , to get them on film if were smart enough to do so , but no one is thinking hard enough to figure it out . We are all spending our lives in our homes and at work trying to make a living and spend a few hours in the scrub once a month to find something thats probably staring us in the face .


I NOW believe their not so untouchable or mythical as I once thought . They are so well adapted to their environment that there's no way we can possibly comprehend what their capable of in the area's of camoflague , stealth , stalking , hiding etc , because again were comparing them to us , making them an untouchable unphotographable mystery . WE ......MAKE.... them a mystery when their not .

They are natural born hunters . I had a guy critisize me the other week about the " 2 million years of evolution " that they've had to adapt . He was right about that . They've had a tremendous amount of time to adapt to the environment and hone skills , they've always been this way since time began . Their not us .

They werent driving cars and lived in homes and suddenly had to escape to the bush and adapt . We are pathetic compared to them when in the bush . They must really have a great laugh at us and I bet they do . Our sense's are dimminshed so much that were barely aware of our surroudings while in the scrub . We might think we know better but we just dont because we were raised in comfy homes with entertainment and so on , no need for hightened sense's . The bush is NOT our world , its their world and we really dont know anything about them .

They ARE there , they DO see our camera's , it IS possible to get them on film , their just way way ahead of us at avoidance , cunning and stealth . I dont believe its a huge mystery anymore , their just extremely good at what they do , We are not ....................

No ones trying or thinking hard enough .

Just my opinion

[Rusty2]

I guess the point I was trying to make is ......we make them a mystery because we cant understand why our futile attempts fail .

Their not a mystery , their just smarter than most of us .

P.S. Not trying to step on anyones toes .

[mlj1mlj1]

The biggest problem even I have is we tend to think of things in terms of a human perspective only. They are 1/2 something else that no ones knows anything about. That leaves all possibilities open and in this case in the end I have a feeling based on what I have seen and experienced fact will be stranger than fiction. Expect it. I do.

[sapere aude]

Thanks Dion. A very straightforward and honest answer. Being a bit of a scientific type, I already believe firmly in the theory of evolution. Although it seems undeniable there is much we don't know about it in the natural historical sense (as we weren't there), and I don't doubt that there could be some force underlying our existence, that people otherwise refer to as God. I would be a little surprised if there wasn't something. Although I don't really look at it from any normal religious pov.

I have heard very good argument from people, that when you take into account certain HAR regions of our genome, the changes undergone from when we began to stand upright and eventually reflected in things like tool use, art, culture etc. are mind boggling. Giving some the view that we must have been genetically altered along the way, by something or someone. I have even heard Prof. Dawkins speculate on it as a possibility (though an unsupported one at the moment).

You seem to be saying that Yowies are part of some sort of spiritual/paranormal conspiracy? I agree with an earlier comment, there is much about Yowies that seems to fit a similar pattern as other paranormal subjects.


Thanks senseonfire. I was wondering more if there was something I could try to welcome and encourage them to a certain area of bushland. I will look into it further, though I'm not keen on the big cats idea. The yellow stripe up my back isn't either.

The subject of human perception is a fascinating one, even if little understood by science at this stage. Largely because science requires things to be reproducible via experiment etc., so it's long been in the "too hard basket". Hence anything veering from the accepted norm gets dismissed a little too easily. This is beginning to change though and it's good to have science philosophers like Chalmers (an Aussie) to remind scientists that no matter how well they can understand neurons and synapses, it doesn't begin to explain the thing that allows for subjective experience underneath it all (consciousness itself). I have looked into some paranormal/ new age claims closely at certain stages. Some of them deserve genuine study IMO. Sorry for waffling on.


Rusty, you make some good points and I can understand how you would come to your conclusions. Though (without wishing to bring up arguments already covered in this thread), it is far more than just the lack of things like conclusive photos that lead some people to the "not physical" explanation. In some ways this would be understandable, I know just how difficult it can be to get decent snaps of mundane creatures and even then, with today's technology giving so many possibilities, it would still need something physical to verify it. It is the lack of anything that we would normally expect from an extant biological creature. Including some sort of evolutionary history that could allow for this, which in the two more popular areas for claimed "hairy men" (Aus and USA), is also completely lacking.

Even your own research, which is no doubt amongst the best, would be seen (at this stage anyway) by many and probably most scientists as still ambiguous (though no doubt fascinating and full of possibilities). If they are real creatures, I think you will be right. Research will require a completely different way of thinking and a different approach.

[sensesonfire]

Hi AMH,
The sons of Esau, the Edomites
Esau was the brother of Jacob, he was born a wild man. He was born covered in red hair that covered him like a garment, and he was described as being "a man of the field".
Genesis 25:25
"The first to come out was red, and his whole body was like a hairy garment; so they named him Esau."
After he sold his birthright to Jacob and Jacob received his blessing, eventually Esau found his way to Edom, a mountainous region (Bigfoot and the Yeti are often said to live high up in the mountains.


I am really open to this one ; this really does describe Yowie/Bigfoot. Both Yowie and Bigfoot certainly do favour mountainous/hilly areas such as Blue Mountains
in Australia and Mount St Helens ( a Bigfoot hotspot ) in Washington, U.S. Thanks for pointing this out.

[Dion]

Hey Dion - I see Senses touched on it above with big cats, but just wondering what this means for you personally with regard to other things crypto - big cats; thylacine; etc?

Hey Forestguy

I shall not be dealing with Big Cats or Thylacine either.

You seem to be saying that Yowies are part of some sort of spiritual/paranormal conspiracy?

Sapere aude

Conspiracy no!

Sensesonfire, AMH.

I am pretty sure the descendants or Sons of Esau would not have had the spiritual or supernatural abilities that are often described from eye witnesses from Yowie and Bigfoot encounters. Which says to me they (being Yowies and Bigfoot) are something else entirely.