psychic, paranormal yowies....

[FM80]

Before a theory becomes fact, it must be proven by being scientifically repeatable.

Theories don't become facts. In layman's terms a 'theory' is a guess or something someone makes up. A scientific theory is an extremely powerful framework that explains something. Facts, which are a dime a dozen, contribute to the theory but the theory never becomes a fact.

Facts are less powerful because they don't predict anything whereas the heliocentric theory, gravitational theory or the theory of evolution make testable predictions.

Unfortunuately, something that is "visual", cannot easily be assigned numbers. And something that is "invisible", by definition cannot be documented using photography.

oblivious to the definition of "invisible", and the difficulties in documenting something that cannot be either seen, photographed or documented, only experienced

Many invisible things can be documented, obviously you wouldn't use a camera though. Something invisible - like gravity - could interact with it's environment or surroundings and could therefore be documented indirectly through it's effects on it's surroundings.

[themanfromglad]

I'm sorry to say themanfromglad is that with all your posturing and and unverifiable statements which you cannot back up, you have yourself negated your own argument. I am sorry but in my opinion you lost this one, and your only making things worse for yourself with personal attacks. I think it is time that you think outside your square and see what science and an open mind can come up with some valid explanations.

Nice try. There must be something in the water down there in Australia, that causes internet forum aggressiveness and personal attacks. My statements are verifiable by each and every reader by them simply performing their own field experiments. It does require them to actually go out into the field, after purchasing the proper equipment of course, instead of remaining in their comfy chairs and mounting attacks against those who fall short of their standards. Then, the burden of documenting their conclusions falls into their court. Uh oh! You on the other hand, appear to prefer to criticize, instead of experiment, because it's easier. Which reminds me of the 4 rules of (Fraudulent) Debunkers.

Stanton Friedman’s 4 rules of Fraudulent Debunkers are:
1. “What the public doesn’t know, I won’t tell them.”
2. “Do not bother me with the facts, because my mind is made up.”
3. “If you can’t attack the data, then attack the messenger, it’s easier”.
4. “Do your research by proclamation, because investigation is too much trouble”.

In addtion, you would do well in referring to a dictionary as to the difference between "defending oneself from personal attacks" and "mounting a personal attack", before mounting a personal attack. They are opposites. The previous intiator being FM80, is responsible for mounting an unprovoked personal attack. You have above, mounted an unprovoked personal attack. In both cases, the defender being myself, am simply defending myself against those personal attacks. Self defense is legal by U.S. law. Physical assault is illegal by law. Verbal assault is just in poor taste. Dictionaries are free on the internet. You do not appear to have a legitimate excuse for not referring to one. I refer to them quite frequently and am not ashamed to admit it. Granted, there are differences between the American and the Australian dictionaries, I think it unlikely that they switched the definitions of "defending against personal attack" and "mounting a personal attack". One more thing that I noticed, Australians seem to always want to get that last word in. Must be something in the water.

[vinderliker65]

I'm sorry to say themanfromglad is that with all your posturing and and unverifiable statements which you cannot back up, you have yourself negated your own argument. I am sorry but in my opinion you lost this one, and your only making things worse for yourself with personal attacks. I think it is time that you think outside your square and see what science and an open mind can come up with some valid explanations.

Nice try. There must be something in the water down there in Australia, that causes internet forum aggressiveness and personal attacks. My statements are verifiable by each and every reader by them simply performing their own field experiments. It does require them to actually go out into the field, after purchasing the proper equipment of course, instead of remaining in their comfy chairs and mounting attacks against those who fall short of their standards. Then, the burden of documenting their conclusions falls into their court. Uh oh! You on the other hand, appear to prefer to criticize, instead of experiment, because it's easier. Which reminds me of the 4 rules of (Fraudulent) Debunkers.

Stanton Friedman’s 4 rules of Fraudulent Debunkers are:
1. “What the public doesn’t know, I won’t tell them.”
2. “Do not bother me with the facts, because my mind is made up.”
3. “If you can’t attack the data, then attack the messenger, it’s easier”.
4. “Do your research by proclamation, because investigation is too much trouble”.

In addtion, you would do well in referring to a dictionary as to the difference between "defending oneself from personal attacks" and "mounting a personal attack", before mounting a personal attack. They are opposites. The previous intiator being FM80, is responsible for mounting an unprovoked personal attack. You have above, mounted an unprovoked personal attack. In both cases, the defender being myself, am simply defending myself against those personal attacks. Self defense is legal by U.S. law. Physical assault is illegal by law. Verbal assault is just in poor taste. Dictionaries are free on the internet. You do not appear to have a legitimate excuse for not referring to one. I refer to them quite frequently and am not ashamed to admit it. Granted, there are differences between the American and the Australian dictionaries, I think it unlikely that they switched the definitions of "defending against personal attack" and "mounting a personal attack". One more thing that I noticed, Australians seem to always want to get that last word in. Must be something in the water.

I am a big boy so can take what I dish out. My own understandings of what makes the world go around, I am sorry if you saw it as a personal attack, perhaps I have found a weak spot in your own theory of what constitutes a hairy one when it comes to biology and or your belief in a paranormal existence that they can become invisible. The jury is out for me in regards to communication I haven't quite made up my mind on the animal whispering kind of thing. In regard to 'us' Australians, you just have realise that here in Australia it is part of our culture to question things. It is also very much a part my my own make up to question things that don't seem to sit right with my understanding of the world etc. having studied 10 years at Uni, I think I have learnt to think fairly critically and open minded and with what I studied as I said above I question everything and I also question what I was taught as well particularly in historical terms and what is going on in our society today (I don't mind a good conspiracy theory to get my brain ticking over and questioning things) I would love to do fieldwork as such but due to some medical conditions I could only to limited bits and pieces ( My passion is primatology, and would love to do field work in Africa, inparticular the Congo, but alas I am hampered by my chronic illnesses).

I am not a 'debunker' I analyse what I see as evidence in a critical way, nor am I a skeptic, after having an experience in a local state forest not far from where I grew up. I believe the weight of evidence unfortunately not enough scientific evidence which has me to believe you in the US and us here in Australia do have a Sasquatch and a Yowie. I also believe that our "authorities" a re withholding the truth that they are aware that this thing exists and this bugs me as how much more is out there that they don't want us too know. From the Armed Forces to the local Forest Ranger it frustrates the hell out of me. So themanfromglad that's where I stand and I stand behind what I say.

[themanfromglad]

Here is a hot of the press interview, that backs up the "Bigfoot is Paranormal" reports.

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/201 ... 7031667265

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inspiringf ... 02-11-2014

No words were minced or ambiguous. Note the use of the words, "materialize", "invisible" and "disappear".

End of Story

[Speck]

A very interesting thread. Amazing reports of experiences and passionate about both takes on this creature. I've been thinking that at this time more of the odd experiences are coming out. I think that is a good thing. It's good for the data and it is good to let people know that some of the odd occurrences are possible. Since I started looking into this topic more and more people are making an effort to be heard.

When it comes to the flesh/blood attributes isn't it possible their organic body has a metabolism that we can't fathom or enzymes, cells. etc. that are so different than anything else on this planet that we shouldn't be measuring against our human characteristics or characteristics of other wildlife?

What concerns me is that some researchers tell their followers to disregard the odd activity-I DO think everyone should be aware of ALL the capabilities of these beings. People should pay attention to all this encompasses, reports are in some ways a form of a warning. I don't think the Nameless Dread (so Harry Potteresque), zapping, loss of memory/time should be easily dismissed. Once again, humans should know this is a possibility with these beings.

Still amazed by the tree biting activity by your Yowies. I don't think Sasquatch does that as much-speculated to root around in rotten logs, though. Scratching/clawing trees (after bear has been eliminated as a suspect) seems to happen on this continent. Those tree bites are ferocious looking!

[sensesonfire]

A very interesting thread. Amazing reports of experiences and passionate about both takes on this creature. I've been thinking that at this time more of the odd experiences are coming out. I think that is a good thing. It's good for the data and it is good to let people know that some of the odd occurrences are possible. Since I started looking into this topic more and more people are making an effort to be heard.

When it comes to the flesh/blood attributes isn't it possible their organic body has a metabolism that we can't fathom or enzymes, cells. etc. that are so different than anything else on this planet that we shouldn't be measuring against our human characteristics or characteristics of other wildlife?

What concerns me is that some researchers tell their followers to disregard the odd activity-I DO think everyone should be aware of ALL the capabilities of these beings. People should pay attention to all this encompasses, reports are in some ways a form of a warning. I don't think the Nameless Dread (so Harry Potteresque), zapping, loss of memory/time should be easily dismissed. Once again, humans should know this is a possibility with these beings.

Still amazed by the tree biting activity by your Yowies. I don't think Sasquatch does that as much-speculated to root around in rotten logs, though. Scratching/clawing trees (after bear has been eliminated as a suspect) seems to happen on this continent. Those tree bites are ferocious looking!

Hi Speck, If you want some good reading on the paranormal aspect of the Yowie look for Dean Harrison's: THE YOWIE » AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion and read Ruby Lang's comments on page one - very interesting.

[Speck]

Senses-Thanks! I just read the post on all of the strange connections. Much of that type of information is still being hidden/ridiculed. I don't know what to make of it all-I think most people are genuine with their reports. Was a bit startled to read that the report with the couple mentioned the wife was attempting to bring in 'nature spirits.' I've no doubt other people try to call beings to them. I most certainly have not-too many stories of that stuff going wrong! I read up on the strange stuff heavily because many researchers would not reveal any weird activity. Too many similarities all over this planet to dismiss!

[TrevorPeters]

I agree Speck. The biggest problem is a lot of researchers think they need to take sides on the issue, and the approaches on both sides of the argument exhibit tunnel vision.

Perhaps the difficulty stems from a particular person's worldview? Perhaps they believe it can only be one or the other?

If we step back from our microscopic examination of the Yowie/Bigfoot and look at other things like mystery beings or creatures recorded in legend/ancient history and also the UFO/abduction phenomena, one might notice a LOT of similarities. I happen to think that these similarities between different phenomena should not be overlooked.

If your worldview requires you to ignore certain evidence then I would submit that it is incorrect.
If your worldview dismisses anything paranormal or supernatural because SCIENCE cannot currently explain it then I would say it sucks to be you. The gap between the natural and supernatural is gradually closing with dimensional theories in physics and astronomy such that experiments are now being conducted to test if there are additional dimensions, because the mathematics suggests strongly that there are. Now that is science beginning to investigate non-physical realms.

Similarly if you dismiss the physical evidence because you had an "experience" that appeared beyond normal, and so forever more they must be supernatural beings, I would suggest you give yourself an uppercut. Humans have been shown experimentally to be susceptible to poor judgement and cerebral interference that can cause us to experience and see things not really there. Until we are able to quantify and cope with that weakness we can never really be entirely sure of what just happened now can we.

And who ever said that supernatural entities could not manifest themselves physically?

I am not dismissing either view, I just think we take sides unnecessarily and judge too quickly, so posts end up in flame wars that bring out the worst in us.
Maybe we should all try a little patience.

[sensesonfire]

TrevorPeters wrote: And who ever said that supernatural entities could not manifest themselves physically?


I certainly agree with you on that one Trevor, I believe that they can.

[sensesonfire]

Senses-Thanks! I just read the post on all of the strange connections. Much of that type of information is still being hidden/ridiculed. I don't know what to make of it all-I think most people are genuine with their reports. Was a bit startled to read that the report with the couple mentioned the wife was attempting to bring in 'nature spirits.' I've no doubt other people try to call beings to them. I most certainly have not-too many stories of that stuff going wrong! I read up on the strange stuff heavily because many researchers would not reveal any weird activity. Too many similarities all over this planet to dismiss!

I agree Speck, Attempting to call in 'nature spirits' is nothing less than a seance and that is pushing the boundaries one step to far because you don't know what you're letting in.

[Wolf]

Senses-Thanks! I just read the post on all of the strange connections. Much of that type of information is still being hidden/ridiculed. I don't know what to make of it all-I think most people are genuine with their reports. Was a bit startled to read that the report with the couple mentioned the wife was attempting to bring in 'nature spirits.' I've no doubt other people try to call beings to them. I most certainly have not-too many stories of that stuff going wrong! I read up on the strange stuff heavily because many researchers would not reveal any weird activity. Too many similarities all over this planet to dismiss!

I agree Speck, Attempting to call in 'nature spirits' is nothing less than a seance and that is pushing the boundaries one step to far because you don't know what you're letting in.

Yeah, it constantly amazes me to see how many people today have a 'Disney' view of nature... goes to show the power of the moving image I guess.

Gary Larson wrote an excellent children's book along this line called 'There's a hair in my dirt!'

Pan, for example, is not exactly the cutesy, frolicking goat man one sees portrayed today. Nature 'spirits'/energies, whatever are aweinspiringly powerful... the tsunami that hit Fukushima, for example. Or Krakatoa going off.

[sensesonfire]

Firstly, I must thank Shazzoir for posting these two stories:

http://www.yowiehunters.com.au/index.ph ... povah-1990

http://www.yowiehunters.com.au/index.ph ... goori-2001.

I'm astounded after reading these articles that people can still believe in an evolved species of hominid or any type of species for that matter.
It appears that the aboriginals have a far greater idea as to the origins of all these so-called subspecies of Yowies than white people and it all deals with the supernatural. White folk go on about their hypothetical theories of evolutionary Yowies/Bigfoot Et al while the indigenous folk have hands-on experiences
going back probably hundreds of years.

It's all very well and interesting in trying to find these creatures but what exactly is the end plan? do you seek interaction with them? because that could end badly and as I've said before they will seek you out not you finding them. It's time to step out of the box and have a serious thought about the alternatives.

Remember you are only confined by the walls you build yourself.

[Yowie bait]

I think more than anything, yowies/ bigfoot is the most accessable way of gaining some sort glimpse or truth about the increasingly fake and controlled world we live in without relying on institutions, books,religion, science, tv etc. Cut out the middle man so to speak and find out for yourself.

Its not like the average person has access to space travel or the brain capacity to become a scientist or person with " access or clearance"but we can travel to the local forest and possibly have an encounter or sighting of the hairy men which in turn tells us " this exists so what else are the powers that be lying about".

Also not all of us believe them all to be malevolent beings and would love to see or interact with them one way or another, even if it means being chased out of the area or a 5 second glimpse.

And with the paranormal stuff, well thats just mind blowing to think about. To have access to or confirm this secret knowledge would open a whole new set of possibilities.

Personally i just want to befreind them and form a hairy army of yowies and junjudee ( and kutitjah!) to enslave mankind for my own selfish purposes. Other than that i just want to see em without being terrified and under duress plus theyre fascinating creatures..whatever they are!

[Wolf]

Firstly, I must thank Shazzoir for posting these two stories:

http://www.yowiehunters.com.au/index.ph ... povah-1990

http://www.yowiehunters.com.au/index.ph ... goori-2001.

I'm astounded after reading these articles that people can still believe in an evolved species of hominid or any type of species for that matter.
It appears that the aboriginals have a far greater idea as to the origins of all these so-called subspecies of Yowies than white people and it all deals with the supernatural. White folk go on about their hypothetical theories of evolutionary Yowies/Bigfoot Et al while the indigenous folk have hands-on experiences
going back probably hundreds of years.

It's all very well and interesting in trying to find these creatures but what exactly is the end plan? do you seek interaction with them? because that could end badly and as I've said before they will seek you out not you finding them. It's time to step out of the box and have a serious thought about the alternatives.

Remember you are only confined by the walls you build yourself.

I guess it depends on your mindset. Personally, after reading these articles I more firmly believe the Hairy Folk are simply a cousin of ours. The origne legends actually support this theory.

[sensesonfire]

I think more than anything, yowies/ bigfoot is the most accessable way of gaining some sort glimpse or truth about the increasingly fake and controlled world we live in without relying on institutions, books,religion, science, tv etc. Cut out the middle man so to speak and find out for yourself.

Its not like the average person has access to space travel or the brain capacity to become a scientist or person with " access or clearance"but we can travel to the local forest and possibly have an encounter or sighting of the hairy men which in turn tells us " this exists so what else are the powers that be lying about".

Also not all of us believe them all to be malevolent beings and would love to see or interact with them one way or another, even if it means being chased out of the area or a 5 second glimpse.

And with the paranormal stuff, well thats just mind blowing to think about. To have access to or confirm this secret knowledge would open a whole new set of possibilities.

Personally i just want to befreind them and form a hairy army of yowies and junjudee ( and kutitjah!) to enslave mankind for my own selfish purposes. Other than that i just want to see em without being terrified and under duress plus theyre fascinating creatures..whatever they are!

Love your army idea Yowie although I'm not sure if the little foot sized ones would be much use, maybe snapping at your ankles or biting your toes.

[adventurer]

TrevorPeters wrote: And who ever said that supernatural entities could not manifest themselves physically?


I certainly agree with you on that one Trevor, I believe that they can.

Great writing trevor. I too agree with seasons---they sure can.

[Yowie bait]

I think more than anything, yowies/ bigfoot is the most accessable way of gaining some sort glimpse or truth about the increasingly fake and controlled world we live in without relying on institutions, books,religion, science, tv etc. Cut out the middle man so to speak and find out for yourself.

Its not like the average person has access to space travel or the brain capacity to become a scientist or person with " access or clearance"but we can travel to the local forest and possibly have an encounter or sighting of the hairy men which in turn tells us " this exists so what else are the powers that be lying about".

Also not all of us believe them all to be malevolent beings and would love to see or interact with them one way or another, even if it means being chased out of the area or a 5 second glimpse.

And with the paranormal stuff, well thats just mind blowing to think about. To have access to or confirm this secret knowledge would open a whole new set of possibilities.

Personally i just want to befreind them and form a hairy army of yowies and junjudee ( and kutitjah!) to enslave mankind for my own selfish purposes. Other than that i just want to see em without being terrified and under duress plus theyre fascinating creatures..whatever they are!

Love your army idea Yowie although I'm not sure if the little foot sized ones would be much use, maybe snapping at your ankles or biting your toes.

An army can always use a few good lttlefoot soldiers...
..maybe they can pack a mean zap as well?

Actually from the story it seems like the little kuritjah are the brains of the yowie scene. Theyre rather diplomatic considering the situation.


If evil yowies are taking or controlling people then maybe we need to go willingly since weve had so many reports of people that haven't been taken but the hairy men have let the witness see them? Another thing i often wonder is how far out of the forests can they survive?

If they have these psychic powers then they could just blank our minds and we wouldnt remember the encounter/ abduction /possession or whatever anyway.