Not so much the Govt, but Us that matter…

[Brindabella Ranger]

Over the years I’ve come across numerous accounts from public officials and non-public officials regarding the Yowie. But it’s the accounts not from those seated in the dizzying heights of public seats that ring true, but those subordinates who have had first hand experiences and how they are dealt with through forms of secrecy and closed door policies.

The Australian Government is aware of the existence of the Yowie. Not the members whom represent the public face of the government, in fact I believe most of those members are unaware. But it is certain divisions of the govt within a few of certain organisations, whom I won’t mention, who deal with such topics. That said, I actually don’t believe it’s such a ‘hot topic’ within these factions - they have long had the existence of the Yowie covered and controlled. It costs nothing to not only deny but encourage denial in the public eye, to stoke the outlandish myths and legends, and to cheer on current technology that allows digital manipulation and supports photo-shop hoaxes. It wouldn’t be that hard for them to continue to suppress – the skeptic in the modern day mind breeds not only an ineptness of belief but also a harsh judgment and possible social out-casting of those who do believe. All they need do is allow the pressure of social controls within the public to do their job of keeping this a secret. Its a 'closed-file watching brief'.

The arrogance of man is to blame here, and the fear of man is what’s the continuing issue. The arrogance stems from this secret undoing a human history steeped with hundreds of years of scientific and biological research, Darwinism, religions understating our uniqueness – all threatened to be undone should the existence of such a hominid exist. There are people in the world who’s careers would be at risk should the discovery be made public. I know firsthand scientists and historians who are as stout as the harshest defence lawyer, many of whom would stand against such a secret struggling to be made public because it would undo their life’s work. It’s hard to imagine on the back of human pride how yet another example of at what cost does the truth demand? Yet should that cost be met, how much of what we know, what we’ve learned in school and how this learning has developed our personal and fragile beliefs be effected? What will that really do to people?

The fear of man entails the public - it’s all about the people. It always has. It’s human nature to fear the unknown: what would every family that lives in rural Australia do if the existence of a 7-10 foot bipedal hominid with claws like giant goannas and a physical strength greater than any man was lurking in the Aussie bush? There would be panic. There would be posses’ by the thousands heading up into the bush to hunt the Yowie down for the safety of their children and families. Isn’t that an understandable reaction to the layman? Even though the government understands the Yowie pose no threat to people and mostly avoid human contact, a fact that has assisted them hiding their existence, its also plausible the government doesn’t want the Yowie destroyed either; it falls within the native fauna of the Australian wildlife and deserves to live and exist in peace without being the subject of cruelty and slaughter.
But setting aside the Yowie issue, what else would the public imagine the government would be hiding if they were to finally make this public? What would be the level of distrust to the governments, anthropologists and historians be following the unveiling? We all know how the government dislikes being made wrong or viewed as unaccountable for touchy issues. Governments need the peoples trust, their support and they need to be seen as transparent on all matters. What more could a government fear than people who do not have their support – not only on political issues but on a topic that attacks personal belief? Danger zone.

The future is simple. The secret will remain so long as the public collectively remain skeptical through social and religious standpoints. Once they are not, the truth can be revealed without disastrous repercussions, political suicide and harm to us or the Yowie.

I hope we’re headed to that brave future. I think we are slowly.

[FM80]

How would this undo the theory of evolution and our years of scientific work?

The Australian Government is aware of the existence of the Yowie. Not the members whom represent the public face of the government, in fact I believe most of those members are unaware. But it is certain divisions of the govt within a few of certain organisations, whom I won’t mention, who deal with such topics

Can you mention them? How do you know?

I personally don't buy the government cover up ideas. How would this destroy peoples lives work? There are countless scientists who has had the idea they had been working on on their whole career overturned in an instant, that's how it goes in science.

Lions, bears, wolves etc. have never been covered up because people may fear them. I understand that people may be frightened of them and some may try to hunt them but good luck. Acknowledging their existence won't all of a sudden make them easier to find/hunt. They'll be as elusive as ever.

its also plausible the government doesn’t want the Yowie destroyed either; it falls within the native fauna of the Australian wildlife and deserves to live and exist in peace without being the subject of cruelty and slaughter.

I don't buy this. Look how the government treats boat people. Kangaroos are subject to slaughter, koalas losing habitat etc. I don't see the government suddenly getting all cuddly and protective of yowies, they wouldn't give a toss. Yes they do deserve to live in peace but it seems illogical to assume that the government is hiding their existence because they don't want them to be hurt.

[Rastus]

Interesting post but I'm another that doesn't believed in any official cover up. As FM80 said there are other dangerous things out there that are not covered up, and for what purpose would they? Certainly not for offending scientists of religious types or scaring the public. Not so long ago it was thought that planet earth was the only place with the possibility of holding life. Now it is a common belief by science that life is actually possible elsewhere in the universe and they are actively searching for it. And the public masses haven't gone crazy with the thought that aliens might exist. Nor has it upset the religious types and their beliefs, in fact even the Vatican has embraced life in the universe as another of gods creations, so why not a yowie or bigfoot etc?

When I'm out in the bush, and I spend half of every week out by myself, I have more fear of stepping on a snake than meeting a yowie. Oh and leeches scare me too :-) .I don't think people would panic.

The only possible reason I could think of that information would be suppressed would be for protection and conservation of the yowie species itself. Governments have more to worry about with us humans than to spend time and money denying the existence of a scientifically unverified species for no reason. And that is why it will more than likely be an everyday Joe who makes the discovery and provides irrefutable proof... so keep looking !!!!

[Gavin]

Wow what a strange view you have. I don't believe there's a cover-up just a whole lot of denial and not a lot of "accredited " research. Honestly every blurry photograph that supposedly shows a yowie / Bigfoot / yeren or any other cryptid just supports the skeptics tired old arguement that people actively seeking said beasts are delusional. Paranoia about big brother helping the yowie somehow doesn't do your cause any good.

[Brindabella Ranger]

Thanks for your responses and detailed opinions. That’s what I like about this section being discussions on controversial, conjecture and fringe matter discussions – the absence of fact in anything or absolute certainty here is the basis for discussion.

How would this undo the theory of evolution and our years of scientific work?

Not undo, threaten to. We simply don’t know how the Yowie will re-arrange, re-write or cancel out theories in this area. Until conclusive evidence is found anything is possible.

Can you mention them? How do you know?

No, I won’t mention them and I know because I’ve spoken to personnel directly involved with sightings and encounters. I know proof is often demanded on this forum but I have none to give but my own opinion.

I personally don't buy the government cover up ideas. How would this destroy peoples lives work? There are countless scientists who has had the idea they had been working on on their whole career overturned in an instant, that's how it goes in science.

I think its fairly naïve to think the govt doesn’t know what’s happening in their own backyard. But as I mentioned, it’s no hot-topic or major conspiracy, cloak and dagger cover up, its just a simple denial of their existence. Re scientists – true, but still didn’t make it any harder not accepting their careers could be overturned in an instant. Reminds me of how many scientists and anthropologists refused and still refuse to believe Homo floresiensis was an extinct genus of homo.

Lions, bears, wolves etc. have never been covered up because people may fear them. I understand that people may be frightened of them and some may try to hunt them but good luck. Acknowledging their existence won't all of a sudden make them easier to find/hunt. They'll be as elusive as ever.

That’s because lions, bears and wolves have been known by man since the dawn of time. They’re nothing new. The unveiling of a hominid/creature previously unknown by man would be frightening I’d suggest. Re hunting: I wouldn’t be so flippant about what lengths people would go through to protect their family, even if their fear is misguided. We humans have been fairly adept in destroying other species of hominid and animal alike since we first turned up and it’s a big risk. But I hope you're right.

I don't buy this. Look how the government treats boat people. Kangaroos are subject to slaughter, koalas losing habitat etc. I don't see the government suddenly getting all cuddly and protective of yowies, they wouldn't give a toss. Yes they do deserve to live in peace but it seems illogical to assume that the government is hiding their existence because they don't want them to be hurt.

Well that’s what I meant by plausible. Its plausible they don’t want koala’s losing habitat or vanishing either. Kangaroos have been labelled pests. My inference that the govt are hiding their existence is not because they don’t want them to be hurt. You misread that. I’m simply saying they have the knowledge of the yowie, have possible evidence but deny their existence.

And the public masses haven't gone crazy with the thought that aliens might exist. Nor has it upset the religious types and their beliefs, in fact even the Vatican has embraced life in the universe as another of gods creations, so why not a yowie or bigfoot etc?

I think if the world govt’s came out and verified that, for example, aliens existed and regularly visit Earth you’d have more than a few fearful people and id say it would upset religious types.

Governments have more to worry about with us humans than to spend time and money denying the existence of a scientifically unverified species for no reason.

As I mentioned, I don’t think they’re spending any time or money denying the existence. You’d probably have a handful of people with the knowledge, proof and supporting information who are out playing golf on most days.

And that is why it will more than likely be an everyday Joe who makes the discovery and provides irrefutable proof... so keep looking !!!!

I hope so Rastus. Our own proof is what matters.

I don't believe there's a cover-up just a whole lot of denial and not a lot of "accredited " research.

Denial is the cover-up in my point. Yes, definitely a lack of accredited research, I agree.

Paranoia about big brother helping the yowie somehow doesn't do your cause any good.

Paranoia isn’t a thing I have to worry about Gavin and I have no cause as you put it. This post was a simple view based on accounts I have come across.

[FM80]

Well it's an interesting view B Ranger, not my cup of tea but at least it's plausible unlike the crackpot drivel of another particular user of this forum (man, I am glad about that).

[Brindabella Ranger]

FM80, I know, its a typical and cliche c.theory. Still a discussion point I think.

Mmm, I wonder who you mean - cheeky slight of hand..

[Rastus]

Well it's an interesting view B Ranger, not my cup of tea but at least it's plausible unlike the crackpot drivel of another particular user of this forum (man, I am glad about that).

[Gavin]

Well it's an interesting view B Ranger, not my cup of tea but at least it's plausible unlike the crackpot drivel of another particular user of this forum (man, I am glad about that).

Hee hee.

[Gavin]

Don't get me wrong Brindabella Ranger I agree with your post wholeheartedly. I just don't think there's any need for a cover-up. Peoples ignorance and as you said arrogance does more than enough damage to the "cause" (proving the existence of yowies).

[Foil_Hat_Guy(1)]

Thank you for providing an intelligent and well argued theory.

I would like to politely add my own thoughts to the discussion:

The major drawback about any government conspiracies is (of coures) that governments the world wide have a track record of being incredibly bad at keeping secrets (even worse so than running their respective countries!) and in politics, there is always someone seeking to expose someone else's secret for political gain.

Having said that, I can accept that there may well be certain government agencies which have specialist knowledge beyond that of the ordinary run of the mill politician (as you have suggested), however, what actual purpose would it serve for them to remain silent on the phenomenon? Furthermore, what purpose would it serve the governments of nations as diametrically diverse as the People's Republic of China (Yeren), the Russian Federation (Almasti), the United States,/Canada (Bigfoot/Sasquatch) and Australia (Yowie) (to name but a few) to collectively deny the existence of what, at best, might be an endagered animal?

Please don't get me wrong, I am not deliberately criticising your theory, I am just interested in how you might express your opinion in answering such questoins, and how those answers may fit into your theory.

:-)

[Gavin]

Humans are a 'pack' animal. Standing apart , and risking possible exclusion, from the pack is very hard to do. When Charles Darwin put forth his ' theory of evolution' he was ridiculed and rejected by his 'parish and peers'. So much that he rescinded his very sound scientific theories in order to be accepted again. As you say Foil Hat Guy at some, if not all, levels of government there has to be individuals with knowledge of cryptids. That is the problem. They’re individuals - they don't want to be the subject of ridicule. How many reports are anonymous because it could affect their careers. People like Bill O'Chee are an exception to the rule. Even on this forum a lot of people hide their identity behind a moniker. (Not all but still a lot.) Others won't discuss/argue with people they don't know and aren't comfortable with. I, myself, found it easier to ring a researcher and relate my encounter rather than put it out there on this forum. (Still haven't)
Politicians love to jump on public bandwagons. I'm sure if enough people raised enough fuss about yowies they'd become interested but only so long as it kept the public attention. Unfortunately encounters are few, those that speak of their encounters fewer and those that do more than talk fewer again. Until this changes officialdom won't. Cheers, Gavin Grant , Caboolture.