APR

[Neil Frost]

G’day everyone,

I have had a disturbing number of PMs and emails regarding the new APR (Australian Paranormal Research) site. Personally, I have enough difficulty building credibility within the local community, without adding a second layer of incredulity!

This is not good!

Neil

[Dion]

Hey Neil

The way I see it is the scientific community is one day going to have to confront the Paranormal whether they like it or not, you only have to look at the TV and Movies to know the world is being filtered into such phenomena.

Looking into it is nothing to be ashamed of.

Regards

[Neil Frost]

G'day Dion,

I have no problem with paranormal research! I think that it is legitimate also, but by forcefully combining it with yowie research, it does indeed become, IMO, "high strangeness".

I have spent a great deal of time over two decades countering the claims of another prominent researcher who likes to associate Australian hominoid research with alternative and improbable outcomes. All that this has achieved has been to make us all seem foolish and turned many witnesses away. This basic research is difficult enough as it is!

Regarding the avatar, I have put in a wish list of revisions for Daniel to modify the artwork, for various parts of the body, including the head. As for what you can see, I would like to see prominent upper and lower canines, a more pointed head, large black eyes, head more included within the shoulders and a redder tinge to the hair.

Neil

[wellymon]

Hi Neil,

I appreciate what you have said above and I feel the same way as yourself.

I feel sorry for many people like yourself, who have done so much research on this and still get ridiculed and put into a corner, like a naughty corner at the back of the classroom when I was a young kid..! lol

Much respect Neil

Thaks again

Welly

[googe]

Where's this site?.

[Rusty2]

I'd have to agree with Neil , "forcefully" is the key word here .

Googe's original post was his personal thoughts . It was then "riddiculed" and moved to the fight forum .

Now Neils post has been moved to the fight forum . Why is that ?

Is AYR aiming for more hits via controversy ?

AYR "used" to be a place where people could speak freely about personal experience's and thought's without riddicule . This is not the case anymore .

If we are now forced to believe someone else's theory then AYR is no longer a democracy and I wont be posting anything here again .

[Dion]

Hi all

Firstly Googe’s post was moved because it started to become apparent that it was going a little off topic and into a non F&B debate then the Paranormal was brought up so I simply moved it to its rightful board AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion where the paranormal is talked about, as a moderator thats my job, otherwise we would have the Paranormal being talked about in the main section of the site.

Secondly Neil’s above post had been moved for the same reasons; the post was about the Paranormal so it was moved to its rightful spot.

Thirdly it’s not a fight forum it’s a place to discuss like mature adults their thoughts and beliefs in a respectful manner, nothing more

In regards to your use of the word ridicule no one is being ridiculed as far I can see,

If someone is or has taking offense to a new theory or belief that doesn’t form their own that’s their own problem. Boy, if I took offense and thought I was being ridiculed because another had a different view to me or another opinion, where would that lead?

Too many people here seem to be a little over sensitive and taking offense to another opinion or point of view, which is ludicrous.

Democracy here is open to all to share whatever they want.

Respect to all.

[Scarts]

I thought AYR stood for Australian Yowie Research, not Australian Yowie Religion! Looks like I was wrong!

[Wayne888]

If Googe’s post was kept on topic early on, it would not have turned into a Para/F&B debate.

Dion moderates this site by himself and in his own free time which is always appreciated. I can only imagine how time consuming this must be! Perhaps we need additional moderators and maybe even a F&B mod for the F&B discussion.

[Dean Harrison]

Dion Moderates the Forum well and very fairly to all.

Everyone is entitled to express their thoughts and opinions. I don't see any issues.


DMH

[wellymon]

Dion Moderates the Forum well and very fairly to all.

Everyone is entitled to express their thoughts and opinions. I don't see any issues.


DMH

Dean, what do you now....?

Can you have input, or do you leave it up to Dion....

Hows the number plates going?

[Dean Harrison]

I control absolutely everything Wellymon, when I wish, including the AYR Website, AYR Forum and AYR Facebook.


Hope you enjoy the Non For Profit Information continually provided.



Deleting anyone I deem a smart-ass, is very easy.




DMH

[wellymon]

Cheers Dean,
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
I wasn't being a smart arse about the number plates, but I have seen around the traps

Yes I do enjoy this great forum of information.
Thank You Dean

[wellymon]

I thought AYR stood for Australian Yowie Research, not Australian Yowie Religion! Looks like I was wrong!

Smart arse.....!

[Dean Harrison]

Noted and requires explanation.


DMH

[Scarts]

The thrust by some folk here, seems to be everyone needs to believe in an undiscovered flesh and blood animal requiring a scientific approach for it to be discovered. Being told what to believe is what religions do. AYR does not preach and is not a religion. AYR has always encouraged free thought and free speech. AYR also does not turn a blind eye to the blindingly obvious flaws in the flesh and blood approach especially when half the reports mention paranormal elements.

My Religion AYR comment was to highlight the other polar extreme of Neil's paranormal APR thread title. Nothing more.


I hope that explanation, Dean, appeases all the little sookie waa waas who have been annoying you lately.

[Brindabella Ranger]

AYR also does not turn a blind eye to the blindingly obvious flaws in the flesh and blood approach especially when half the reports mention paranormal elements.

Here we go again. Scarts, no one can turn a blind eye to the F&B argument because its simply the most likely explanation whether you like it or not. The flaws are not in the F&B theory but in those particular witnesses.

[Scarts]

Sure, Brindabella Ranger, whatever you say. There are thousands of flesh and blood yowies roaming the Australian ranges, just waiting for you to discover them. Have fun with that, in the meantime, the following article beautifully captures everything this thread is about.

11.6.6 Article by Regan Lee from The Trickster's Realm

http://binnallofamerica.com/tr11.6.6.html

Bigfoot and High Strangeness
Of course, there are those who say Bigfoot is high strangeness, all on its own, that to say “Bigfoot and High Strangeness" is redundant.

When it comes to encounters of Bigfoot and UFOs, or telepathic communications with Bigfoot, or stories of Bigfoot appearing and disappearing -- and bi-locating, even -- the majority of UFO and Bigfoot researchers don’t want anything to do with it.

The combination causes great gnashing of teeth, at the very least. Serious, flesh and blood Bigfoot researchers don’t have any patience with the subject. Many a Bigfoot on-line forum has kicked off members who even bring up the topic.

When I first came upon these tales, of Bigfoot having some connection with UFOs, and more, I thought it was a joke. Literally. The first thing I came across was an article in, I think, UFO Magazine many many years ago. I have it somewhere in my files but no idea where. But I kept coming across these stories, and as wild, weird, and bizarre as they seemed, there was a consistency, and there were enough of them, by enough people, to support a pattern.

There are two stories of this type right here in my state of Oregon. (Shameless plug, my book on this topic will be out in e-book form very soon.)

This is a fascinating topic, and there are standard legends that have been written about by researchers. One theory is that these ‘Bigfoot’ are not the flesh and blood Bigfoot, but OOP (out of place) creatures; Hairy Bipeds, phantom creatures, not to be confused with “real" Bigfoot. Others say they’re one and the same.

And while there are individuals who write about their personal experiences with these creatures, there still isn’t much research going on regarding this phenomena. On the one hand, it seems too tired, too old. Tales of weird, high strangeness Hairy Biped encounters, like the Lake Worth Monster, MoMo, and others are decades old. They’ve become a part of the paranormal/anomalous lore, but they also seem quaint to some, and no longer a vialable subject. (Indeed, my own book focuses on two events going back over 40 years.)

UFO researchers have enough on their hands. In many ways UFOology is decompartmentalized. It has to be; there is so much out there, so many aspects to the phenomena, that to do good research each individual usually has to choose a few areas (if that many) to focus on. Bigfoot researchers already have points against them before they’ve even started out; after all, they’re after Bigfoot. Maintaining credibility is tough enough. Why strain the acceptance factor by seriously considering UFOs, telepathy and other weirdness? And look at the recent news concerning Dr. Jeff Meldrum at Idaho State University. His own academic and scientific community wants him ousted (nice work there Big Science Guys.) Can you imagine what things would be like if Meldrum started in about UFOs, esp, and materializing Bigfoot?

And then too, not all Bigfoot researchers believe in any of the other stuff anyway.
But there is evidence to suggest that there is something else occurring in many Bigfoot cases. It has been for a long time, and continues.

There are many accounts of Bigfoot (and similar creatures in other countries, such as the Yowie in Australia, etc.) with red glowing eyes, white haired (or furred) Bigfoot, apparitional Bigfoot, UFOs and Bigfoot, etc. in Janet and Colin Bord’s Bigfoot Casebook.

Mary Green, Jack Lapseritis, Lisa Shiel to name just a few have written about their experiences with this “high strangeness" type of Bigfoot that go beyond merely a flesh and blood “animal." Researcher Joe Fex has done a lot of work in this subject, an area where “mainstream cryptozoology" won’t go. That includes many “mainstream" cryptid-ologists. (sorry for the clumsy word coining.) Fex’s accounts are definitely on the bizarre side, and yet . . .that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. And Kelli, from the White Wolf website, has told me she and her husband frequently see Sasquatch in relation to UFOs and many other odd things and entities on their remote Eastern Washington property.

One theory that explains these strange Bigfoot-UFO-High Strangeness events is the idea of vortexes. Many remote (and some not so remote) areas are full of events like this; some without Bigfoot but leaning more to UFO and other weird activity, others with less UFO but more Bigfoot and OOP creatures, some with both. In any case, it’s clear that some sort of opening, some sort of portal, vortex, some way exists that either causes these beings and objects to move from one place to another, or possibility, creates these things. I’m not sure what i think of this yet myself, but it’s a start.

Whatever these weird things are; phantoms, faeries, inter-dimensional beings, aliens, Ultra terrestrials, human shape shifters, or even ‘flesh and blood" Bigfoot, these events occur, as a rich body of lore tells us.
Clearly there is a rich and wonderfully weird area here to be researched, and discussed openly. But like the topic of “alien" abductions in its early days, it’s a cause of embarrassment for many within the field, let alone outside it.

It’s too bad, because a lot can be learned from these events. I understand the difficulty in accepting these encounters as literally occurring, but occur they do.