paranormal ?

[Lozza]

A lot of speculation about yowies being paranormal or inter dimensional beings.I find it hard to believe that yowies are anything other than flesh and blood.How else do you explain the obviously terrestrial mutations that occur such as a club foot or having 2,3,4,5,6 or more toes which a genetic mutation probably caused by the small gene pool.A boy was recently born with six toes and Anne Boleyn was born with six fingers so it happens.People also say they feel a dread before an encounter,Ithink its because of our instincts sensing the yowie not the other way round and yes they appear to disappear, remember they can run as fast as a horse in any terrain.No doubt their senses are more acute than ours but so are most animals.In my opinion they can be nothing else,I just can't imagine an interdimensional being having a club foot.

[ChrisV]

After recently acquiring some books that tackled this subject, I decided to have a crack at reading these texts and see what was being said. With an open mind I opened the book and started reading....

What I found at the end of reading the first book was that a conclusion can only be achieved to what one person believes. With all the evidence supporting the theories, I still struggled getting my head around the basic concept that these creatures have the ability to transform themselves into orbs or vanish into thin air in a paranormal sense. Its no different to if one believes in God or Allah or whoever....there is no hard evidence stating any of these beings exist in a material world...it simply comes down to ones belief.
In a scientific sense, its a tough pill to swallow to just accept that this is the real deal without evidence alone. Thats what the scientific community demands and nothing less will be accepted as proof. Thats how these concepts of the paranormal sasquatch/yowie whoever get placed on the fringe shelf and never really get the attention with the exception of the few dedicated to cause.
Reading one of these books is challenging. Entertaining the notion of the paranormal bigfoot is a leap of faith. Then again any religion follows the same format so its the individual that ultimately makes that call.

There seems to be evidence pointing to that these creatures have certain abilities....maybe telepathy, quick on their feet or the ability to blend into their surroundings...who knows but its seems plausible.
I think a scientific explaination is the best approach for now until a breakthrough happens....

Good question Lozza...makes you think about both sides of the coin.

[macquariedave]

After recently acquiring some books that tackled this subject, I decided to have a crack at reading these texts and see what was being said. With an open mind I opened the book and started reading....

Good question Lozza...makes you think about both sides of the coin.

I've been reading / re-reading these this year:
http://www.amazon.com.au/Edges-Science- ... of+science
http://www.amazon.com.au/Mind-Sasquatch ... 078&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com.au/Our-Life-Bigfo ... 078&sr=1-3
http://www.amazon.com.au/Sasquatch-Risi ... 078&sr=1-4

[Rusty2]

I've been regularly going into the forest for quite a while now and all I can say is that regardless of what you believe , the stories are true .

I've seen it for myself and I understand perfectly the disbelief that a lot of members have . It can drive some members irate because no one believes it . This can literally change peoples lives for the worse .

I know what I saw and I accept it , they can dissapear , so what . I don't talk about it much because it's not helping the situation we're currently facing . A lot of researchers run off blindly chasing the paranormal side to this and end up bitter , frustrated and cranky with no results .

For myself , I don't care if their cloaking monkey men from Zeta Reticulii travelling here through intergalactic portalls . The biggest problem with all this is the clear video that no one can seem to collect . It is my aim to collect the uncollectable and this is why I disregard the secondary matters .

I suspect this is why some Aboriginal people call them spirits and ghosts and other aboriginal people call them people , it all depends on what you've seen . I've seen both .

You really have to see it for yourself and when you do , this hobby takes on a whole new twist . I would be lying if I was to say that I NEVER saw anything in the forest to suggest a paranormal aspect to the australia yowie .

Sorry if I've offended anyone but this is the bitter truth . Have a nice day !

[ChrisV]

I've been regularly going into the forest for quite a while now and all I can say is that regardless of what you believe , the stories are true .

I've seen it for myself and I understand perfectly the disbelief that a lot of members have . It can drive some members irate because no one believes it . This can literally change peoples lives for the worse .

I know what I saw and I accept it , they can dissapear , so what . I don't talk about it much because it's not helping the situation we're currently facing . A lot of researchers run off blindly chasing the paranormal side to this and end up bitter , frustrated and cranky with no results .

For myself , I don't care if their cloaking monkey men from Zeta Reticulii travelling here through intergalactic portalls . The biggest problem with all this is the clear video that no one can seem to collect . It is my aim to collect the uncollectable and this is why I disregard the secondary matters .

I suspect this is why some Aboriginal people call them spirits and ghosts and other aboriginal people call them people , it all depends on what you've seen . I've seen both .

You really have to see it for yourself and when you do , this hobby takes on a whole new twist . I would be lying if I was to say that I NEVER saw anything in the forest to suggest a paranormal aspect to the australia yowie .

Sorry if I've offended anyone but this is the bitter truth . Have a nice day !

Rusty I dont think you can offend anyone with that post. If anything it gives some balance to the discussion.
I know for myself that I have not witnessed such things regarding Yowies but I have had paranormal events occur in my life which have left my mind open and asking some pretty deep questions o what is actually going on around us?

If half these things were true - and even to have one standing in front of you and seen with your own eyes is a revelation in itself....to actually witness something paranormal is I guess beyond comprehension of most people...I know I would find it hard to put into perspective.
I guess it would alter my view on life forever as a result.

[Searcher]

Well… I’ll bet I’m not the only one gobsmacked by Rusty’s post! No unexpected though, and in no way was it offensive.

It would be easy to take the ‘common sense’ road and dismiss what was said. However, if you take the time to visit Rusty’s website and check out his intensive research in the forest combined with excellent videos, you cannot doubt the integrity of his investigations. Therefore we need to take notice of what he is saying. If you haven’t done so already, check out some of his YouTube videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRusty222

Just like the incompatibilities of general relativity and quantum mechanics, a theory is urgently needed that combines the evidence of flesh and blood and the paranormal to lead to an understanding of what is being seen. Or maybe as suggested, the answer lies in hairy inter-dimensional beings such as the Wadig. I know… must keep the feet on the ground.

My own hope is that the emergence of dashcams will eventually lead to that long awaited video breakthrough. So many sightings happen on the roads on both sides of the Pacific. Look at the spectacular Russian meteor event of 2013. Most of the best recorded footage came from dashcams. A stroke of luck is most desperately needed. As for Rusty, he is forging ahead to make his own luck. I think he believes the old saying..."The harder I work, the luckier I get". Go Rusty!

[Lozza]

Hi Rusty2,..You're feedback is welcomed and I know you spent a lot of time in the bush so you're input is appreciated.

[VicYowieResearch]

I started off beliving they were a very rare as yet unclassified member of our family tree until digging deeper, researching more, and finding out I am very wide of the mark.

They may have a physical presence at times but when you know good people who have seen them disappear INTO trees and not behind them, barrel through undergrowth in complete darkness, leave footprints that just stop dead in the middle of nowhere then logic takes a break for a second.

'Doctor J' of the Southern Oregon Habituation Area (SOHA) may have stumbled on something that could be the beginning of an answer. While he went to the 'Oregon Vortex' house one day he believes he may have picked up some risidual magnetism/force, which when he returned to his habituation site opened up a 'portal' for lack of a better description of which he observed Sasquatch entering and leaving.

I would think he is a quack but he did take noted Crypto guy Adam Davies there who had the c**p scared out of him, and did go on youtube confirming that he too had seen the portal and sasquatches, though I am now led to believe he is too unnerved to speak about it still.

But even if this is true, and true for Yowies here, it won't change the need for us to investigate!

And Rusty, there are few on your level doing investigations so your opinion carries a lot of weight in my book.

[themanfromglad]

My personal paranormal experiences with Bigfoot, go somewhat beyond Rusty's recollections. One must be cognizant of the standard rationalization excuses that the 24/7 F&B Apers use in the States. There favorite excuse is that the Bigfoot always know exactly how deep to stand in the forest so that they cannot be seen. Their second favorite excuse when a loud Bigfoot related noise comes from a nearby visible location is, "the Bigfoot ducked down and either ran off or crawled off before anyone could see them". This excuse is most often used for when a rock comes whizzing by at a fairly flat trajectory, which implies a very nearby point from which it was thrown.

A standard paranormal game that the Bigfoot like to play, is to stand guard over you the entire night while out camping, and in the morning when you first wake up but not necessarily twitch a muscles, is to give you a "good morning" branch break. I learned this by them first repeatedly doing that at different locations. I then started asking them for a "good morning branch break", just before I turned in. They really enjoy the surprise that this creates in the morning.

I will try an leave you with an attached still shot of a night vision video I took some years ago, when I awoke at 3AM in the morning when out camping, and noticed something out of the corner of my eye from the location of a red light I left on all night long. I had been playing some music prior to this and had during the day, just cut my way into the end of this 5 mile long dead end road that had trees pushed across it every 500 yards or so. They are still trying to find fault with my video in the States, because they just cannot deal with it.

[Searcher]

TMFG wrote:

I will try an leave you with an attached still shot of a night vision video I took some years ago,

Would be very interesting to look at the complete video. Is it posted online anywhere?

[Rusty2]

I've thought about this (the disappearing act) for the last three years and the most important question for me is ,

Where did they get it ??????????

[themanfromglad]

TMFG wrote:

I will try an leave you with an attached still shot of a night vision video I took some years ago,

Would be very interesting to look at the complete video. Is it posted online anywhere?

Nope. The full video is not posted anywhere. I am still waiting for the internet to catch up, so that I can monetize it to pay for all the money that I pissed away on equipment and gas. Each of the little orbs is about the size of a golf ball. Just before I turned in after doing a little call blasting of my best Bigfoot scream, it felt like the Bigfoot were standing elbow to elbow in the trees at the edge of the clearing. Which would have been about 30 of them. So I gave them a little speech, played them some music and turned in. Coincidently, there were about 30 orbs playing in the red light and around the clearing. The most I counted in any one still capture, was about 17 though.

[themanfromglad]

I've thought about this (the disappearing act) for the last three years and the most important question for me is ,

Where did they get it ??????????

Perhaps in order to survive the meat eating dinosaurs, they had to be designed with that particular trait. Now they use is to survive the bullets.

[rodbenfield59]

Hi guy's i have just read all of these post's in this discussion and and i have to say that yes i have seen the the work Rusty 222 has done and i share the same respect for his research and his opinions as all of you do but saying that I believe still that we are chasing/researching the ultimate bushman be it Sasquatch or Yowie bigfoot what ever you want to call them.My personal experience i believe i had one about 8 ft tall vanish in front of me while tracking it through the bush near Manambah range in QLD how ever after i guess not believing what i saw i came to a conclusion that the animal/being simply laid down in front of me and looked like his surroundings witch in this area was large white ant nests black in colour made from black soil , thinking back now i could have even been looking straight at it and not realised it .I can not explain how one could disappear into a tree but if we use the Occam's Razor theory suppose there exists two explanations for an occurrence in these cases usually the simpler is the most logical outcome . I still can't get my head around small balls of light but they seem to get a lot of those in the States maybe they are chameleons as well who nose.

[themanfromglad]

Hi guy's i have just read all of these post's in this discussion and and i have to say that yes i have seen the the work Rusty 222 has done and i share the same respect for his research and his opinions as all of you do but saying that I believe still that we are chasing/researching the ultimate bushman be it Sasquatch or Yowie bigfoot what ever you want to call them.My personal experience i believe i had one about 8 ft tall vanish in front of me while tracking it through the bush near Manambah range in QLD how ever after i guess not believing what i saw i came to a conclusion that the animal/being simply laid down in front of me and looked like his surroundings witch in this area was large white ant nests black in colour made from black soil , thinking back now i could have even been looking straight at it and not realised it .I can not explain how one could disappear into a tree but if we use the Occam's Razor theory suppose there exists two explanations for an occurrence in these cases usually the simpler is the most logical outcome . I still can't get my head around small balls of light but they seem to get a lot of those in the States maybe they are chameleons as well who nose.

The visible Bigfoot tend to either step behind a tree before they disappear, or they use an accomplice to distract you with noise so that you look away momentarily, then they disappear into thin air. I have had several dozen 3D Bigfoot on separate occasions, either stand or walk within 10 feet of me, while they were invisible. They were not a threat to me, presumably since I was not a threat to them. They would have not gotten that close if they did not trust me to not try anything that threatened them. I have had a half dozen nearby in their electric cloud phase. They tend to encircle you in their cloud phase, and then just stop making any electronic wind noise altogether. It would be impossible to estimate the number that were nearby in their orb phase.

[themanfromglad]

Upon further contemplation, I decided to attempt to add the video from which the above still photo was captured. I am not sure that this will work.

[themanfromglad]

Just click on the title of the video, just below the box, and it will play.

[Lozza]

Wow! I seem to be the only one of a few flesh and blood proponents on the forum,we are vastly outnumbered by people who believe their paranormal.

[Searcher]

TMFG, thanks for posting your orb video. Now it's on my desktop, I have watched it a dozen times. The movement gives a much better idea than the still frame. Got to say it looks quite impressive.

Mac users might need to download something like VLC Media Player to view.

I know your mind is made up, but a validation of the original video from some well known Hollywood expert in CGI (Computer Generated Imagery) would certainly help the cause! And also from a university entomologist who specialises in Fireflies!

Thanks again.

[Rusty2]

There's this one from Trailriderresearch . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pNUSLXLik
I don't think trailrider is on youtube anymore .

Digmaster , a member from here has also seen the mysterious lights .

[themanfromglad]

TMFG, thanks for posting your orb video. Now it's on my desktop, I have watched it a dozen times. The movement gives a much better idea than the still frame. Got to say it looks quite impressive.

Mac users might need to download something like VLC Media Player to view.

I know your mind is made up, but a validation of the original video from some well known Hollywood expert in CGI (Computer Generated Imagery) would certainly help the cause! And also from a university entomologist who specialises in Fireflies!

Thanks again.

Those orbs were no more than 6 feet from my camera/night vision monocular setup. I don't need to go to a CGI expert to render his opinion as to whether he can duplicate something that I don't care whether you believe it to be real or not. You do, if you are so inclined. I am not trying to get this entered into the history books. I am simply sharing my unique experiences that you should feel fortunate to be viewing since I spent the money to have the equipment to record it, and expended considerable effort into getting to that remote location. I have seen fireflies on the east coast of the U.S. Fireflies are about 1/2" long. Those orbs are slightly larger than golf balls. In other words, maybe a 100 fireflies could fit inside of one condensed Bigfoot spirit orb. I don't need to waste my time with an entomologist either. I know what I photographed. Scientists who live in denial of the existence of anything paranormal, are both unpredictable and unreliable. And you never know who you are dealing with until you either hear or read their uninformed opinions.

[rodbenfield59]

Ok just asking this ,at what point do we have any proof that the orbs are bigfoot related and are not a separate research agenda entirely.If so orb research is cool as well(prove the link between bigfoot/Yowie and orbs of light)no offence intended but what point does the paranormal start ?

[Lozza]

Good point Robenfield59...orbs could be any number of things but people keep making the yowie/orb connection.

[themanfromglad]

Good point Robenfield59...orbs could be any number of things but people keep making the yowie/orb connection.

Three non-Native Americans have witnesses a Bigfoot turn into an Orb. I met one of them. Kewaunee Lapseritis had one person witness that transition on his front porch and take a picture of the large orb forming. Orbs is how they travel long distances without expending a lot of energy that they have no easy way to replace. This travel includes following you home to hang out around your house if they like you.

[ChrisV]

Good point Robenfield59...orbs could be any number of things but people keep making the yowie/orb connection.

Three non-Native Americans have witnesses a Bigfoot turn into an Orb. I met one of them. Kewaunee Lapseritis had one person witness that transition on his front porch and take a picture of the large orb forming. Orbs is how they travel long distances without expending a lot of energy that they have no easy way to replace. This travel includes following you home to hang out around your house if they like you.

What I find most fascinating with this train of thought is that there are several books supporting this - and once you read them, even with an open mind you have to wonder.
My personal opinion is yet to me made up on this - its a far out there concept for the humble human mind!!

[VicYowieResearch]

Lozza----Wow! I seem to be the only one of a few flesh and blood proponents on the forum,we are vastly outnumbered by people who believe their paranormal.

One of the problems that I have with the flesh and blood theory is that an upright, 8ft-9ft biped does not appear to have a place in our human family tree. We have a remarkable fossil collection of our ancestors, which is also borne out with mDNA.

If it is 'real' in the flesh and blood sense, it's not related to us mere humans!

[SupaLodd]

I found this interview/article... i think it toyches on the many perspectives talked about here..

[themanfromglad]

Lozza----Wow! I seem to be the only one of a few flesh and blood proponents on the forum,we are vastly outnumbered by people who believe their paranormal.

One of the problems that I have with the flesh and blood theory is that an upright, 8ft-9ft biped does not appear to have a place in our human family tree. We have a remarkable fossil collection of our ancestors, which is also borne out with mDNA.

If it is 'real' in the flesh and blood sense, it's not related to us mere humans!

Perhaps they have no place in the family tree because paranormal people do not leave bones behind, when they die. They just leave a hairy bloody pulp. As has been repeatedly witnessed by train engineers, after they stop and examine what is left of the Bigfoot that they just hit. Their is a federal clean up crew that takes care of this mess, that the railroads are required to notify. Since there are no bones, then they have not yet been able to put them at any place in evolutionary history. Since gigantopithicus does leave teeth, then giganto is not paranormal, and therefore not a Bigfoot or Yowie.

[VicYowieResearch]

"Perhaps they have no place in the family tree because paranormal people do not leave bones behind, when they die. They just leave a hairy bloody pulp. As has been repeatedly witnessed by train engineers, after they stop and examine what is left of the Bigfoot that they just hit. Their is a federal clean up crew that takes care of this mess, that the railroads are required to notify. Since there are no bones, then they have not yet been able to put them at any place in evolutionary history. Since gigantopithicus does leave teeth, then giganto is not paranormal, and therefore not a Bigfoot or Yowie."



I am am more inclined to believe in a paranormal aspect to the phenomena, but the point I was making is that there is NO precedent for a 8 or 9 foot tall bipedal primate in our lineage, and by this I mean none of our near ancestors even come close. We as a genus have gradually started to get taller too.

Now, I can entertain the idea that if, and its a big IF, yowie/BF are releated to us....then it might be very distantly so in the family tree, which also raises a whole host of other problems.

But regardless, I am still inclined to think there is something else going on, I mean, 9ft tall, bipedal creature weighing around 200kgs and not ONE decent photo or video never mind a body?

Unlikely.

[Yowie bait]

I cant see how it is they dont have a physical presence. If they stink,stomp around and break branches etc then isnt that a physical presence? If they didnt have bones they would collapse in a heap. Doesnt matter if you think they come from orbs or the Millennium falcon or whatever, they still have a pysical presence. No ones sure they related to us. Undiscovered animals are found in remote places to this day.