Military Training Encounter

[Smokeyr67]

There actually is a 4 Squadron (existence of 4 Squadron has never been publicly acknowledged¹) SASR. I don't know if the primary witness replaced squadron with battalion just to keep it that little bit more secret²?

¹ http://www.smh.com.au/national/secret-s ... 1uwhy.html
² The deployment of the SAS's 4 Squadron - the existence of which has never been publicly confirmed - has put the special forces unit at the outer reaches of Australian and international law.
The Herald has confirmed that troopers from the squadron have mounted dozens of secret operations during the past year in various African nations, including Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Kenya.

The existance of a 4th SQN is doubtful at best (I'd put it in the realms of fantasy) and in reality it would be easier to gather a team from the 3 Sabre SQN's than hide an extra 100 members, plus the support required for any jobs in nations where;
(a ) we wouldn't violate their sovereignty
(b) Our blokes woud stand out like choc chips in vanilla icecream.

[GlennO87]

Story to me seems like a great made up story for the camp fire.

Your dealing with a relative in my opinion of the ape family. Not this portal traveling creature people say it is. Sorry but thats just BS

[angus1235]

To all those who are disputing the story, Dean Harrison said "4th battalion SAS", not SASR.
4th battalion is a British SAS battalion, and British soldiers often come to Australia for joint training excersizes.

I hope this helps clarify things.

[Simon M]

Interesting discussion - it strikes me that it's possible the bloke relating the story deliberately obscured some details to avoid giving away anything he thought he ought not to divulge...but I'd agree that factual errors of that kind definitely impact on his overall credibility.

It's a tough call, because he goes into a whole lot of detail...but it's also possible this is a well-honed tall story he's been telling for decades, or has heard from someone else and embellished.

Having read some of the responses from the military folks in this thread, I'm now doubting this one also.

[ChrisV]

Interesting discussion - it strikes me that it's possible the bloke relating the story deliberately obscured some details to avoid giving away anything he thought he ought not to divulge...but I'd agree that factual errors of that kind definitely impact on his overall credibility.

It's a tough call, because he goes into a whole lot of detail...but it's also possible this is a well-honed tall story he's been telling for decades, or has heard from someone else and embellished.

Having read some of the responses from the military folks in this thread, I'm now doubting this one also.

Coming from a person who essentially has no idea of any of the technicalities of army/commando operations - I found the story quite interesting.
There seems to be many references by military personnel who experience these kind of events. In NSW and QLD there are a few already and overseas I am sure there are plenty. I think even in the US that the sasquatch has been identified as a potential sighting for military personnel.

The only thing in this story that kind of pushed the boundary of acceptance is the proposed height of the Yowie. 11Ft seems pretty tall considering that the average heights reports go anywhere between 6-9 ft. I can't recall any other reports stating a height of 10+ feet high! Maybe someone can correct me on that.

Either way - its a great read. Lots of interesting facts like the curved foot and walking on rocks. The high freq radio is also intriguing.

Thanks for sharing Dean - even though it was 4 years ago!!!

[Brindabella Ranger]

The origin of the witness's core battalion has obviously been lost in translation. The witness is an ex Australian serviceman.

Having been in the Australian Army, I believe the witness's choice of words and Army jargon is undoubtedly legit. I also believe witness's interview demeanor is believable. You need to listen to the audio of the interview to understand.

It is, in my opinion, is one of the best accounts I've come across.

The complete audio is found here AYR Audio report #3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paO71rkcb88

[Simon M]

Yes, it's one of the best ones I've heard as well. I'm inclined to believe him, but I'm also inclined to be sceptical about....well, everything really.

He certainly sounds believable. I'd like to think the account is factual, I'll put it that way.

[Searcher]

I certainly agree with B.R. that the Jamison Valley report is one of the best, if not the most thought provoking audio report in the 100 currently listed here on AYR.

However, as Simon implies, it’s always good to have a healthy skepticism. We simply need more proof.

I’ve always wondered if it were possible to get verification from the two fellow soldiers he says he was with. It would be a real feather in the cap of any researcher who could come up with the goods with two first hand confirmation interviews.

It would be a huge step towards establishing the veracity of this mind-bending and highly detailed report. Wish I were in a position to be more pro-active on that front!

[Simon M]

I also wish my circumstances permitted me to be more directly involved, but I have other responsibilities which don't give me any time to go traipsing around in the wilderness for extended periods of time in the evenings. Or at any time.

I agree with Searcher that it's only a matter of time before some type of breakthrough is made, that someone produces a piece of evidence so compelling that its veracity is beyond dispute, and the people out there with cameras and recording devices are the ones doing the hard yards to make that happen.

There's a lot of complacency to cut through - people don't like their comfy world view being challenged in even the smallest of ways. To many the presence of anything like a Yowie would be viewed with fear and hostility rather than a desire to understand.

I'd like to see just one thing that couldn't be argued with or explained away with a pat answer, or given a generic 'unidentified mammal' finding as we've seen with so many hair samples over the years.

[Wolf]

"separate six toed print found" anytime I hear of 'odd' numbered toes I get instantly sceptical.

EVERY mammal, even whales have five 'didgets' in their bone structure.

[Simon M]

Every mammal except for the giant panda...



We can't be sure the Yowie is an ape. They may be from a different genetic lineage entirely, but have developed similar traits to us as a result of convergent evolution (like the Fossa of Madagascar, which resembles a cat but which is genetically related to the Mongoose).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossa_(animal)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution

[Wolf]

Every mammal except for the giant panda...

The panda's "thumb" is a much enlarged sesamoid bone. Not only is it not a true thumb, but it can't move much. It is primarily a bony support for the pad above it. It is not a digit.

I repeat, ALL mammals have five digits on each limb. The only exception is the odd genetic mutation. Whenever I hear of "6-fingered giants' or three-toed tracks I call BS.

[Yowie bait]

I know nothing about military jargon but really enjoyed that encounter. Very detailed descriptions including the genitalia and how the foot wraps a log.

I read it like the 6 toed footprints were found in the area but not related to the encounter?

[Simon M]

The panda's "thumb" is a much enlarged sesamoid bone. Not only is it not a true thumb, but it can't move much. It is primarily a bony support for the pad above it. It is not a digit.

I repeat, ALL mammals have five digits on each limb. The only exception is the odd genetic mutation. Whenever I hear of "6-fingered giants' or three-toed tracks I call BS.

A Yowie could also have an enlarged sesamoid bone (for all we know) as a result of disease or extreme age, arthritis, skeletal hyperostosis, etc. They may have a different skeletal structure in their feet than we do (more than one account mentions this, and there are casts mentioned by Jeff Meldrum that indicate it).

If I can accept that they're present, or capable of evading humans, then I can accept a sixth digit. I have issues accepting the interdimensional/paranormal stuff, I admit that, but an extra digit isn't impossible. Even if it were there as a result of inbreeding (which seems like an occupational hazard for what must be a relatively small population) it's not unheard of.

It's also possible the eyewitness was mistaken about that aspect, or that the Yowie had some other form of deformity which made its tracks appear to have a sixth digit. That one facet of the story doesn't make me dismiss it entirely.

We also can't eve be sure they're true mammals - they may be from some order of creature(s) we simply don't know about (yet).

I guess it depends on the combination of elements in a given story - personally, I reckon a number of the eyewitness accounts sound dodgy, especially that bloke who mentions going to get water for his Suimin Noodles, and the bloke who mentions seeing one in the spotlight while out shooting kangaroos. The way they spoke, the way they seemed to repeat certain stock phrases and so on....those things made me suspicious. Everyone perceives things differently I guess.

[Simon M]

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[Wolf]

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See my post above... "The only exception is the odd genetic mutation."

[Wolf]

I had an Aunty who grew a sixth toe once. She had it amputated.
There are elements of my relatives who seem to make up very large percentages of certain regions of Queensland. I remember a very large, extended family reunion years ago... the jokes flew thick and fast afterwards about more than a few who turned up

[Simon M]

I wasn't trying to be a smart-alec, sorry if it came across like that, I just wanted to link to the Ecuador article thread.

I'm still not 100% convinced they're apes, or related to us in any way beyond being mammals. That said, if their population is smaller than it used to be, or their migratory paths have been disrupted by human activity, then inbreeding is a distinct possibility.

[VicYowieResearch]

To all those who are disputing the story, Dean Harrison said "4th battalion SAS", not SASR.
4th battalion is a British SAS battalion, and British soldiers often come to Australia for joint training excersizes.

I hope this helps clarify things.

Err, no. The UK SAS work on in squadrons NOT battalions, with 4 'troops' to a squadron and 4 Squadrons to a Regiment, which is either 21,22 or 23 SAS. This was originally to confuse foreign intelligence services of actual strength.