A few new Reports

[Yowie bait]

hi

According to Jamison Valley report, the yowie seems get annoyed/angered by the radio frequency device?

Is that possible when this witness use the phone to identify the location, he generated some radio frequency that yowie dislike? I found many country 4wd/ute have a mobile phone booster/amplifier installed.

If my guess is right, then yowie would stay away from cell phone base station towers then?

I agree - electronic devices seem to attract their attention, or at least clue them in to the presence of humans. Several accounts seem to indicate that these creatures are annoyed by radio transmissions.

Yeah we had a radio cassette player when we had an encounter. Maybe the big guy just had enough of the thing or maybe was sick of hearing the Radiators " feel the heat " cassette for three nights on a row!

It would be interesting to know if others had any electronics when they had an encounter. It is just speculation though. Much easier to move away then reveal themselves.

Like Rusty has suggested above, it is possible that the yowie wanted to be seen. Why reveal yourself or chase a car when you could easily wait until it passed to cross the road and isnt chasing cars more of a dogman thing anyway? I dont think theyre that stupid. They must have a good reason to reveal themselves so obviously.

[Yowie bait]

Interesting report.
Reminds me of that one at Wentworth Falls on Tablelands Road where that young bloke gets surrounded by a few of them.

After listening to this latest report - a few thoughts popped into my head .
Keep in mind these questions are rhetorical.
1) Why would the Yowie return for another go at the driver? Could this of been nothing more than a bluff charge to clear him out? From the Yowies perspective, the car was stationary and probably had its brake lights on and engine running. This may have been seen as a threat - a stand off of some kind so in defence of what could of been a family unit nearby - the Yowie charged.
2) Second sighting in as many weeks - man he should go and buy a lotto ticket.
3) 10Ft is incredibly tall. That would have to be the tallest one I can remember hearing about. Surely a male and quite a territorial one at that. I'm betting his family was nearby.

Any thoughts?

Hi Chris,

I have heard of a Yowie/s running at a car before. It has happened. Or even to the extent where the back of the car was lifted.

Out there in such a vast mountainous area where this one obviously rules his domain, it could be capable of anything. Someone said 'Oh why if he had a phone didn't he take a photo of it"... That would have been the very last thing on my mind of I saw a 10ft Yowie running at me in the middle of the night from out of the bush.

Let’s just get the car going for a start and perhaps concentrate on getting away from it. It took him into 4th gear to escape it. I don't think anyone would have to composure to be thinking of turning around a calmly taking photos.

10ft I have heard of. Even taller. I think it’s the exception rather than the rule. But just like in the Human race we have our 5-6ft people, and we have our exceptionally tall people of nearly 8ft who play Basketball.

The second sighting only 3 weeks later was what put him over the edge not wanting to go into the bush alone anymore. It totally changed his perception of the Australian bush, as it has so many others.

Great Report. Hopefully we will have some more up over the next few weeks.


DMH

Thanks Dean for your response.

So we can assume that if this was a bluff charge that the Yowie was intent on clearing him out. I still believe just by using common animal behavior that this surely was just a move to get him off the scene. Surely there must of been a Yowie family unit nearby ... clearly wrong place at the wrong time.

I agree - taking a picture would of ended in injury or death of the witness. No need dying for the cause

I dunno Chris. While there seems to be some gorrilla type behaviours during some encounters , a lot of this animal behaviour doesnt add up to me

I screamed and swore very aggressively directly in the face of a very angry and disturbed yowie that was running right beside me and im still here. If i did that to a silverback or even a domestic dog i think they would try and take my head off.

Human beings are the most destructive, violent, selfish and unpredictable animals on this planet. We poison our own environment and kill each other at a disturbingly and alarming rate. Makes me wonder who the real "monsters" are...

[ChrisV]

Yes YB - I tend to agree.

If you break this case into 2 parts using the flight or flight scenario as a guide.
The first contact the yowie 'may' have used the flight scenario. Like any species that is shocked by a would be predator first instinct is to vanish. This is when the car first nearly hits the Yowie.
The second contact is when the car obviously stops. Like almost a stand off in a western movie, if this Yowie was part of a family unit ie: having offspring nearby , this could of changed its mindset to a defensive mode and ward off the would be predator . Imagine the parked car with brake lights on and engine running could be seen as a threatening presence so the mood changes and things happen.
This is all just hear say - some thoughts to discuss on the hows and whys.

[Yowie bait]

Yeah Chris i can see how the car stopping could be percieved as a threat with the flashing lights etc and just the fact that the man stopped after the incident could be threat like too.

As for running in front of the car like it did , well I just dont understand how they can get caught off gaurd like that as theyre so clever and elusive.

Seems they kind of look like apes and kind of act like them but are something different altogether. Its a no wonder we are all so interested in these hairy hoodwinkers!

Theres quite a few car related encounters like the junjudee in W.A. and the awesome Newell hwy sighting with the yowie dragging off some road kill right in front of the witnesses.

Rodbenfield and his mate had them running beside and trying to stop the car. Just a bit of fun or something more dastardly?

I think also forum member Simonious said he saw a family group on the side of the road.What a sight to see that would have been!!

[ChrisV]

Yeah Chris i can see how the car stopping could be percieved as a threat with the flashing lights etc and just the fact that the man stopped after the incident could be threat like too.

As for running in front of the car like it did , well I just dont understand how they can get caught off gaurd like that as theyre so clever and elusive.

Seems they kind of look like apes and kind of act like them but are something different altogether. Its a no wonder we are all so interested in these hairy hoodwinkers!

Theres quite a few car related encounters like the junjudee in W.A. and the awesome Newell hwy sighting with the yowie dragging off some road kill right in front of the witnesses.

Rodbenfield and his mate had them running beside and trying to stop the car. Just a bit of fun or something more dastardly?

I think also forum member Simonious said he saw a family group on the side of the road.What a sight to see that would have been!!

I have no idea what they are capable off. Like Dolphins chasing boats ( or staying ahead of them inches from the bow ) - maybe chasing cars is something that could be seen as entertainment. I guess when you see a 10ft giant running after you or beside you the joys of Dolphin watching can not be compared....

Imagine if he stopped the car and hopped out....

[Yowie bait]

Yeah Chris i can see how the car stopping could be percieved as a threat with the flashing lights etc and just the fact that the man stopped after the incident could be threat like too.

As for running in front of the car like it did , well I just dont understand how they can get caught off gaurd like that as theyre so clever and elusive.

Seems they kind of look like apes and kind of act like them but are something different altogether. Its a no wonder we are all so interested in these hairy hoodwinkers!

Theres quite a few car related encounters like the junjudee in W.A. and the awesome Newell hwy sighting with the yowie dragging off some road kill right in front of the witnesses.

Rodbenfield and his mate had them running beside and trying to stop the car. Just a bit of fun or something more dastardly?

I think also forum member Simonious said he saw a family group on the side of the road.What a sight to see that would have been!!

I have no idea what they are capable off. Like Dolphins chasing boats ( or staying ahead of them inches from the bow ) - maybe chasing cars is something that could be seen as entertainment. I guess when you see a 10ft giant running after you or beside you the joys of Dolphin watching can not be compared....

Imagine if he stopped the car and hopped out....

I was thinking that too. Lucky he saw it and didnt jump out for a second look. Big fella wouldve caught up for sure.

This whole double encounter is really quite strange .


Yes dolphin watching would be a much more pleasent experience.

[Yowie bait]

Excellent new report (#102) with the lady singing in the blue mountains. Makes me wonder how many times she was observed by this "strolling" yowie. May have a secret fan there or maybe picking up a few singing tips to impress her hairy freinds!

I say " she" as although the lady seemed rather impressed with the yowies physique, there was no mention of genitals. Paul did kind of get into that but like a true gentleman, he didnt press the issue. I think a male wouldve been a bit more aggro?

Great work Dean and Paul. Looking fwd to the next one!

[Simon M]

Yeah, the whole "could you see the feet?" line of questioning was like an invitation to mention....other anatomical details, but as you say, he was too much of a gentleman to press for details.

Her description of the details of the creature's physique was convincing to me. She was also impressed/mystified by its physical abilities and athleticism.

If I had to make a choice, I'd say this was a legit sighting. She was in no doubt about what she'd seen, and described it in detail. 95% of the audio reports seem like genuine accounts of actual events to me. Only a few have sounded dodgy.

[Yowie bait]

Yes i thought she was very legit. Sounds like she had a real good look. Dream sighting really, no aggro and a clear view. I would love to know what she was singing...

[sensesonfire]

Wow! These creatures can run up to 80 kms/ph that puts it beyond the realms of possibility of either ape or man.

[Simon M]

There's every reason to think that Yowies are mammals, based on eyewitness accounts, but no reason to assume they're necessarily apes. We have no proof they're apes, only descriptions of them as having ape-like characteristics (long arms, hairy bodies, flared nostrils with a flattened nose, etc). They're not human, clearly, but they resemble us in some ways also.

Convergent evolution could've given them a style of bipedalism entirely different from our own, just as they appear to have a different physiology, psychology and way of life. If they're social at all, it's not expressed by living in large groups as most social creatures do. I'd theorise that a big part of their survival strategy has always been to avoid gathering in large numbers so as to escape the attention of their main competitors for territory and food - us. By dispersing themselves across vast distances in remote areas which we find inhospitable or inconvenient they've avoided predation and even detection.

Maybe bipedalism leads to a certain set of features or a physiological 'template' that dictates (roughly) how a face looks, etc. Look at the head of a kangaroo and the head of a European deer - apart from obvious features like antlers or the way each animal moves, their heads are remarkably similar in outward appearance, because they both fill a comparable ecological niche. They're not the same genetically but they share some characteristics imposed by evolution and based on how they interact with their environment.

The Yowie may be from some ancient lineage of creatures which developed bipedalism, and intelligence, in a different way than our own ancestors did. I suspect they're not related to us at all - they may be to apes what the Fossa is to cats; the resemblance is there, but the underlying biology is extremely different.

(Yes, I use the Fossa as an example a LOT...only because it illustrates the point about convergent evolution so perfectly).

[ChrisV]

Excellent new report (#102) with the lady singing in the blue mountains. Makes me wonder how many times she was observed by this "strolling" yowie. May have a secret fan there or maybe picking up a few singing tips to impress her hairy freinds!

I say " she" as although the lady seemed rather impressed with the yowies physique, there was no mention of genitals. Paul did kind of get into that but like a true gentleman, he didnt press the issue. I think a male wouldve been a bit more aggro?

Great work Dean and Paul. Looking fwd to the next one!

Whats interesting about the Lithgow report is that the Yowie was quite tolerant of her....considering there was dogs involved and the whole affair seemed strangely relaxed and chilled. Maybe the Yowie had had his share of smoking gum leaves and was chilled and thought " Meh! Shes cool! "
I was quite interested in the relaxed nature of the story.....

[Yowie bait]

Yes it sounds like a freindly type of encounter. Maybe just letting her know she wasnt alone or some other reason the yowie would reveal itself so brazenly.

Its good to see they are not all scary and aggressive encounters. Theres a few mellow ones amongst all the red eyes and screaming.

[Tommi]

Here is a theory on the double encounter, the witness goes into detail about smelling the yowie, it might be some kind of possibility that his vehicle was sprayed somehow? and the smell remained on his vehicle - and if that did occur and he drove past another one - it may have triggered it to appear and again in an angry manner?

If that would be the case then the rotten egg smell witness have said that they smell, could be a territorial mark?

Or, lets assume that in both encounters the yowie was male, could it be related to them showing they are in heat? Maybe something occurred previously for his car to have the scent of a female, and it triggered the males to give chase when they smelt the pheromones?

It would be interesting to compile the reports on who smelt rotten eggs and what time of year to see if it is a seasonal thing? (if at all).

Anyhow, my 2cents on the subject.

[Simon M]

That makes sense, Tommi. The scent thing must be significant, as it doesn't feature in every encounter but is one of the most remarked upon aspects of an encounter when it does happen.

[ChrisV]

Here is a theory on the double encounter, the witness goes into detail about smelling the yowie, it might be some kind of possibility that his vehicle was sprayed somehow? and the smell remained on his vehicle - and if that did occur and he drove past another one - it may have triggered it to appear and again in an angry manner?

If that would be the case then the rotten egg smell witness have said that they smell, could be a territorial mark?

Or, lets assume that in both encounters the yowie was male, could it be related to them showing they are in heat? Maybe something occurred previously for his car to have the scent of a female, and it triggered the males to give chase when they smelt the pheromones?

It would be interesting to compile the reports on who smelt rotten eggs and what time of year to see if it is a seasonal thing? (if at all).

Anyhow, my 2cents on the subject.

Yes a very interesting theory. Makes you think about it differently.

[Yowie88]

Why do I get this nagging feeling that there is going to be an increase in reports!

[P. Fields]

Hmmm, not that i've had an encounter with the hairy ones myself, but just from listening to a large number of witness reports it seems to me that the smell can be omitted at will, likely as a kind of territorial warning (as Tommi mentioned above). This odour seems to crop up in reports where the witness stumbles across the yowie, rather than the yowie tracking the witness, which to me would indicate that it is a warning/defence mechanism rather than a mating scent or its general body odour.
From the Goonerah report it sounds like the same yowie approached the car twice, rather than two different hairy men being attracted to the car because it was covered in pheromones. I think ChrisV's theory hits the nail on the head. Glowing red brake lights in the dark could easily be viewed as an act of aggression by a hairy man, especially after being nearly clipped while trying to cross the road.

[Dean Harrison]

Being on the receiving end a few times, and having night encounters, the only time I smelt it was the night just prior to being hit.

That was Bakelite/Sulfur, and it was pungent. Incredibly strong. Unforgettable.


I don't believe any odor on the Hilux can contribute to the second encounter.



DMH

[Wolf]

There's every reason to think that Yowies are mammals, based on eyewitness accounts, but no reason to assume they're necessarily apes. We have no proof they're apes, only descriptions of them as having ape-like characteristics (long arms, hairy bodies, flared nostrils with a flattened nose, etc). They're not human, clearly, but they resemble us in some ways also.

Convergent evolution could've given them a style of bipedalism entirely different from our own, just as they appear to have a different physiology, psychology and way of life. If they're social at all, it's not expressed by living in large groups as most social creatures do. I'd theorise that a big part of their survival strategy has always been to avoid gathering in large numbers so as to escape the attention of their main competitors for territory and food - us. By dispersing themselves across vast distances in remote areas which we find inhospitable or inconvenient they've avoided predation and even detection.

Maybe bipedalism leads to a certain set of features or a physiological 'template' that dictates (roughly) how a face looks, etc. Look at the head of a kangaroo and the head of a European deer - apart from obvious features like antlers or the way each animal moves, their heads are remarkably similar in outward appearance, because they both fill a comparable ecological niche. They're not the same genetically but they share some characteristics imposed by evolution and based on how they interact with their environment.

The Yowie may be from some ancient lineage of creatures which developed bipedalism, and intelligence, in a different way than our own ancestors did. I suspect they're not related to us at all - they may be to apes what the Fossa is to cats; the resemblance is there, but the underlying biology is extremely different.

(Yes, I use the Fossa as an example a LOT...only because it illustrates the point about convergent evolution so perfectly).

Historical records indicate, in my mind at least, that Yowie/Sasquatch numbers sharply declined around the same time Origine/First Nations populations did from smallpox. This leads me to the assumption that they too suffered from smallpox. As smallpox is a 'human-specific' disease ...no other animal dies from it... the conclusion must be they are extremely close to us genetically. More so than the other primates who do not die from smallpox. Just my ten cents ...

[Wolf]

Being on the receiving end a few times, and having night encounters, the only time I smelt it was the night just prior to being hit.

That was Bakelite/Sulfur, and it was pungent. Incredibly strong. Unforgettable.


I don't believe any odor on the Hilux can contribute to the second encounter.



DMH

The sulphur component I find particularly interesting. They must get it into their diet somehow, perhaps purposely in order to prevent biting insects like mozzies, ticks and sand flies.

An old army trick is "a matchhead a day keeps the bities away"

I have heard reports of garlic being stolen from bush camps and farms. Garlic is high in sulphur.

[Simon M]

Historical records indicate, in my mind at least, that Yowie/Sasquatch numbers sharply declined around the same time Origine/First Nations populations did from smallpox. This leads me to the assumption that they too suffered from smallpox. As smallpox is a 'human-specific' disease ...no other animal dies from it... the conclusion must be they are extremely close to us genetically. More so than the other primates who do not die from smallpox. Just my ten cents ...

If their numbers did decline as a result of smallpox, then you're correct...but we have no way of knowing. We can't be sure of anything, except that they exist and they're hairy and walk upright. Their method of walking may differ from ours mechanically (there's a school of thought that mentions their 'jointed' metatarsal bone or cuboid bone being evident in casts made from footprints), and witnesses remark upon their lengthy arms (in comparison to ours) and how the movement of their arms is part of their gait, etc.

They could well be close to us genetically, like Chimpanzees are, but have different skeletal structures to ours (again, like Chimps). I just don't think the answer is straightforward - and it's possible these creatures have been here for much longer than we even suspect. We don't know enough to classify them or rule anything in or out.

It's just something I've thought about - we assume they're ape-like because they have certain physical characteristics, but convergent evolution might be an explanation for their similarities, because the differences between us and them (in my view) seem to outweigh the similarities.

[Dean Harrison]

People who aren't familiar with Bakelite, electrical or Sulfur, often try to come up with a similar description, which is rotten eggs. Not exactly the same, but close if you are trying to describe this unfamiliar odor.



DMH

[ChrisV]

People who aren't familiar with Bakelite, electrical or Sulfur, often try to come up with a similar description, which is rotten eggs. Not exactly the same, but close if you are trying to describe this unfamiliar odor.



DMH

I'm putting my $$$ that the odour is released to clear the room so to speak! That smell - bakelite, sulphur,rotten eggs etc is the perfect deterrent - not dissimilar to a skunk using a similar technique.

[Wolf]

People who aren't familiar with Bakelite, electrical or Sulfur, often try to come up with a similar description, which is rotten eggs. Not exactly the same, but close if you are trying to describe this unfamiliar odor.



DMH

I'm putting my $$$ that the odour is released to clear the room so to speak! That smell - bakelite, sulphur,rotten eggs etc is the perfect deterrent - not dissimilar to a skunk using a similar technique.

I agree.
They can release the smell at will otherwise any prey animal would come nowhere near them.

However the sulphur aspect I suspect is related to thier diet which I also suspect is intentionally sulphur-rich for biting insect control.

[Boab Bob]

Cheers for your work Dean! This here is a fascinating though pretty basic Daily Mail article on early athleticism:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... pidly.html

[DaveR]

Fascinating AYR report just uploaded from Beechmont QLD. Fascinating I think because it describes locomotion I have heard of before. The witness describes it as 'walking funny'.. Gliding or floating across the road in two steps. https://youtu.be/EdDkw0m_2ok

[Rusty2]

floating across the road in two steps.

You can bet your arse they're doing it for sure 100% . This isn't the first report to mention this either . Maybe two years ago same thing only multiple witnesses , in a car " it was like it glided across the road"

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4592&p=32989&hilit=gliding#p32989

[adventurer]

floating across the road in two steps.

You can bet your arse they're doing it for sure 100% . This isn't the first report to mention this either . Maybe two years ago same thing only multiple witnesses , in a car " it was like it glided across the road"

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4592&p=32989&hilit=gliding#p32989

Glide across a road
glide across the path
glide up a hill

Who cares, i knew my arse was right yeeeeee---haaaaaa They glide. Keep coming forward people.

[Simon M]

His description of the knee being lower on the leg than on a human is interesting. Based on the various eyewitness descriptions it seems as though these creatures have a different 'style' of bipedalism than we do, as well as having a longer stride due to their massive size.

What also grabbed my attention is that he was driving a truck and was able to judge the thing's size relative to the height of where he was sitting.