Yowie too hot a topic for the government/s?

[Boab Bob]

Has perhaps the federal or state governments come to the conclusion that it exists (possibly with evidence?) but it is too hot a topic with regard to Aboriginal or constitutional matters? i.e it would complicate the situation, undermine accords and generally-speaking breach the peace? I don't really want to get into classic conspiracy theories or debate aboriginal matters or go into accords or constitional law. But i thought that it might be a state secret that they haven't known or dared as how to handle. Other governmental agencies?

[VicYowieResearch]

Has perhaps the federal or state governments come to the conclusion that it exists (possibly with evidence?) but it is too hot a topic with regard to Aboriginal or constitutional matters? i.e it would complicate the situation, undermine accords and generally-speaking breach the peace? I don't really want to get into classic conspiracy theories or debate aboriginal matters or go into accords or constitional law. But i thought that it might be a state secret that they haven't known or dared as how to handle. Other governmental agencies?

Given the supreme ineptitude, and complete lack of discretion regarding such matters I find the whole "government knowing" angle highly unlikely. They would definitely invoke some world class ignoring unless it was an issue, which it would not be. They don't give a fig regarding First People's rights so why would they care about some animal....if that's what it is? And one that has so far eluded capture on video?

Much like the big cats, far better filed in the 'Too Hard' basket!

[Boab Bob]

Has perhaps the federal or state governments come to the conclusion that it exists (possibly with evidence?) but it is too hot a topic with regard to Aboriginal or constitutional matters? i.e it would complicate the situation, undermine accords and generally-speaking breach the peace? I don't really want to get into classic conspiracy theories or debate aboriginal matters or go into accords or constitional law. But i thought that it might be a state secret that they haven't known or dared as how to handle. Other governmental agencies?

Given the supreme ineptitude, and complete lack of discretion regarding such matters I find the whole "government knowing" angle highly unlikely. They would definitely invoke some world class ignoring unless it was an issue, which it would not be. They don't give a fig regarding First People's rights so why would they care about some animal....if that's what it is? And one that has so far eluded capture on video?

Much like the big cats, far better filed in the 'Too Hard' basket!

That's a perspective i haven't heard before but a reason they might not want it released could be that it could go against the status quo as much as disrupt any progress and this would accomodate your belief that they don't give fig or marginalize first peoples rights. Burying a definitive yowie discovery perhaps under the 50yr cabinet records rule or longer because it would cause too many problems.

Bob

[Simon M]

I assume that some people (intelligence community, military?) are well aware of these things, but that they simply don't mention it due to the 'too hard basket' mentality that Vic mentioned. They write up an incident report that nobody will read and then, having fulfilled their minimum requirement obligation, they just go on to the next thing.

I doubt it's a priority for the government (as Yowies don't vote). I also don't think any large bureaucracy deals with anything unless they feel they'll be in legal/financial trouble (or get voted out) if they do nothing.

Their chief concern is winning elections; anything that distracts them from pursuing votes (and covering their backsides) is an unwelcome distraction I would guess.

[Hominidhunter]

With State forests being handed over to NPWS only to have padlocks put on the gates as well as other National Parks with no public access, perhaps you should become friends with employees of the NPWS. This would be as far up the government food chain the paperwork would get. If these guys know anything, there's nothing like padlocked gates and trespassing will be prosecuted signs to stop any issues arising, get where I'm coming from,

[Simon M]

With State forests being handed over to NPWS only to have padlocks put on the gates as well as other National Parks with no public access, perhaps you should become friends with employees of the NPWS. This would be as far up the government food chain the paperwork would get. If these guys know anything, there's nothing like padlocked gates and trespassing will be prosecuted signs to stop any issues arising, get where I'm coming from,

This makes a lot of sense.

[ChrisV]

Yeah I reckon they have some awareness. But its probably just too complicated and big to engage in.
The whole crypto side of it keeps it in check - dismissed as a myth and it looks after itself.
Even people do go missing because of these creatures - still is a convenient 'unknown case' and doesnt require any further attention.

[gregvalentine]

Yeah I reckon they have some awareness. But its probably just too complicated and big to engage in.
The whole crypto side of it keeps it in check - dismissed as a myth and it looks after itself.
Even people do go missing because of these creatures - still is a convenient 'unknown case' and doesnt require any further attention.

You need to offer definite proof if you're going to make such a statement - an opinion, however well thought out and considered, is insufficient.

[Boab Bob]

I somehow doubt it could or would be kept a secret by national park staff. One idea i have is the army might have stumbled across a yowie/s during training for the Vietnam War.

[ChrisV]

Yeah I reckon they have some awareness. But its probably just too complicated and big to engage in.
The whole crypto side of it keeps it in check - dismissed as a myth and it looks after itself.
Even people do go missing because of these creatures - still is a convenient 'unknown case' and doesnt require any further attention.

You need to offer definite proof if you're going to make such a statement - an opinion, however well thought out and considered, is insufficient.

I forgot to add 'if'...a mere typo

[gregvalentine]

Yeah I reckon they have some awareness. But its probably just too complicated and big to engage in.
The whole crypto side of it keeps it in check - dismissed as a myth and it looks after itself.
Even people do go missing because of these creatures - still is a convenient 'unknown case' and doesnt require any further attention.

You need to offer definite proof if you're going to make such a statement - an opinion, however well thought out and considered, is insufficient.

I forgot to add 'if'...a mere typo

That makes more sense. Sorry, I should of thought of that possibility myself.

[Simon M]

I somehow doubt it could or would be kept a secret by national park staff. One idea i have is the army might have stumbled across a yowie/s during training for the Vietnam War.

There's an audio report in the AYR files dealing with a guy who encountered a Yowie during an army training exercise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paO71rkcb88

There are also a number of anecdotal reports about 'rock apes' that U.S. and Australian soldiers encountered during the Vietnam war. According to one story I've read, the U.S. Military shot one and took it back to America. According to the story I read, this was the (in)famous 'Minnesota Iceman' that was displayed in public, and even examined by scientists Ivan T. Sanderson and Bernard Heuvelmans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Iceman

If you ever read a book called The Mysterious Monsters by Robert Guenette he gives a detailed account of their examination of this alleged bipedal ape. It seems doubtful that two actual scientists (Huevelmans was a zoologist and the 'father' of cryptozoology) could be fooled by a rubber dummy, so I suspect the original 'Iceman' was replaced with the fake after they examined it, as has been suggested (just my opinion).

I've heard a number of versions of the 'rock ape from Vietnam' story, and I'm not sure if it has any truth to it. There's no way of knowing for sure. A war zone in an Asian jungle would be pretty chaotic. My old guitar teacher fought in Vietnam, and he didn't talk much about it, but when he did he would always comment on how "The yanks could barely keep out of their own way" - he claimed they were noisy in comparison to the Australian troops, often left their rubbish behind where they'd camped, and were relatively easy for the Vietnamese soldiers to keep track of (and avoid). If there was an exchange of gunfire in the jungle and one of these creatures got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, that's a scenario I can accept. I don't know how it would've come to be on display to the public, though.

It's still interesting to me that Sanderson and Heuvelmans were 100% adamant they'd examined a dead ape that had been shot and frozen in ice, a bipedal ape that they couldn't identify or classify. They were convinced that the 'replacement' one was nothing like the one they'd originally examined.

[gregvalentine]

There are also a number of anecdotal reports about 'rock apes' that U.S. and Australian soldiers encountered during the Vietnam war.

I've heard a number of versions of the 'rock ape from Vietnam' story, and I'm not sure if it has any truth to it. There's no way of knowing for sure. A war zone in an Asian jungle would be pretty chaotic. My old guitar teacher fought in Vietnam, and he didn't talk much about it, but when he did he would always comment on how "The yanks could barely keep out of their own way" - he claimed they were noisy in comparison to the Australian troops, often left their rubbish behind where they'd camped, and were relatively easy for the Vietnamese soldiers to keep track of (and avoid). If there was an exchange of gunfire in the jungle and one of these creatures got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, that's a scenario I can accept. I don't know how it would've come to be on display to the public, though.

Quote clipped . . .

Also http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/01/t ... etnam-war/
Even weirder http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/01/b ... etnam-war/

There is probably more rock ape reports at MU.

[sensesonfire]

Has perhaps the federal or state governments come to the conclusion that it exists (possibly with evidence?) but it is too hot a topic with regard to Aboriginal or constitutional matters? i.e it would complicate the situation, undermine accords and generally-speaking breach the peace? I don't really want to get into classic conspiracy theories or debate aboriginal matters or go into accords or constitional law. But i thought that it might be a state secret that they haven't known or dared as how to handle. Other governmental agencies?

I think you may be right Boab Bob, of course governments, particularly the US government, know that these creatures exist but dealing in a pragmatic, scientific approach as they normally do they just can not get their heads around it. So if you can't explain it eliminate the problem altogether or at least quarantine it at all costs. Reading of cases in America where people have been found ripped to pieces in unusual circumstances and the authorities have blamed dog packs as the perpetrators much to the skepticism of the local people. Many are now believing in a much more sinister reason - the possibility of Dogman being involved. It is highly unusual when these cases and the circumstances are reported that a team of FBI agents and military personnel suddenly turn up to investigate, especially if it was a dog attack. They treat the public with disdain, treat us like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed you know what.

[Simon M]

Also http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/01/t ... etnam-war/
Even weirder http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/01/b ... etnam-war/

There is probably more rock ape reports at MU.

This is great stuff - thank you!

[gregvalentine]

Also http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/01/t ... etnam-war/
Even weirder http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/01/b ... etnam-war/

There is probably more rock ape reports at MU.

This is great stuff - thank you!

Brett Swancer at MU always spins (in the positive sense) a good, if sometimes long, story.
I also just noticed this https://sasquatchchronicles.com/interes ... rock-apes/

[deadpool]

Don't forget the Almas that was shot in 1925 by Soviet troops: http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com.au/ ... oting.html

[Whip]

I think that acknowledgement means liability for our government.

[Scarts]

As far as the government is concerned, the Yowie is about as hot as a tub of frozen ice-cream in the middle of an iceberg.

[TrevorPeters]

I agree Scarts.

One would have to walk into the main street a city in broad daylight and start ripping people's heads off for anyone in a position of authority to actually pay them any heed.
No money or votes involved so it's not even on the radar IMHO.

[sensesonfire]

The US government are very aware of these cryptids and if going by their classified documents of UFO's in the 40's, 50's and 60's are any indication they would have an equally impressive dossier on Bigfoot, Dogman etc. As for the Australian government, they couldn't tell the difference between Arthur or Martha and I doubt if they would even care.

[gregvalentine]

The US government are very aware of these cryptids and if going by their classified documents of UFO's in the 40's, 50's and 60's are any indication they would have an equally impressive dossier on Bigfoot, Dogman etc. As for the Australian government, they couldn't tell the difference between Arthur or Martha and I doubt if they would even care.

Not that I'm a Grandma Nartzee or anything, but shouldn't that correctly be "Arthur AND Martha"?

[Scarts]

Sensesonfire, do you work in a government department?

[Simon M]

I used to work in a Government Department.

Trust me, unless someone at head office is directly responsible for something, it won't even rate a mention.

[themanfromglad]

Regarding the US Government:
1. They captured and observed several Bigfoot in laboratory conditions, and made their study TOP SECRET.
2. In the 60's, they attempted to teach school children about them but decided that even though it did not particularly bother them, since they did not have a Bigfoot to present in front of them, most forgot that they were ever taught anything about them, except for me.
3. They do not teach the public today about the Bigfoot, because it scares the hell out of them, which leads to many requiring psychological help that never helps for some.
4. Even within the government, the only people that learn the basics, only are informed on a need to know basis.
5. If you are an experienced field researcher in Bigfoot, neither the Federal nor will any State government hire you, because some researchers turn out to be nut jobs who can't stop talking about them, and they don't want a government employee scaring people and talking about TOP SECRET subject matters.
6. Sure people are killed by rogue Bigfoot, but you can't sue the government for not informing the public because you will not be able to prove that a Bigfoot killed anybody, and then you will not be able to prove that they exist.
7. The FBI admitted to me that they know that the Bigfoot are paranormal, but they are generally not dangerous. They also stated that there is other paranormal entities out there, that are dangerous. But they will likely deny ever stating what they stated to me.
8. In the 60's, the FBI estimated the US population of Bigfoot at 1 million, or 1 per 1.1 square miles of forest.
9. Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Canada and Great Britain are all on the same page regarding how they deal with the subject matter, in order to keep from scaring the hell out of the public, which is comprised of a very high percentage which are barely hanging onto reality by their fingernails. So Bigfoot will likely make them dysfunctional on some level.

[Scarts]

Hey, glad man,

Where did you read all those things happened? Are you a comic book reader by chance?

[sensesonfire]

Regarding the US Government:
1. They captured and observed several Bigfoot in laboratory conditions, and made their study TOP SECRET.
2. In the 60's, they attempted to teach school children about them but decided that even though it did not particularly bother them, since they did not have a Bigfoot to present in front of them, most forgot that they were ever taught anything about them, except for me.
3. They do not teach the public today about the Bigfoot, because it scares the hell out of them, which leads to many requiring psychological help that never helps for some.
4. Even within the government, the only people that learn the basics, only are informed on a need to know basis.
5. If you are an experienced field researcher in Bigfoot, neither the Federal nor will any State government hire you, because some researchers turn out to be nut jobs who can't stop talking about them, and they don't want a government employee scaring people and talking about TOP SECRET subject matters.
6. Sure people are killed by rogue Bigfoot, but you can't sue the government for not informing the public because you will not be able to prove that a Bigfoot killed anybody, and then you will not be able to prove that they exist.
7. The FBI admitted to me that they know that the Bigfoot are paranormal, but they are generally not dangerous. They also stated that there is other paranormal entities out there, that are dangerous. But they will likely deny ever stating what they stated to me.
8. In the 60's, the FBI estimated the US population of Bigfoot at 1 million, or 1 per 1.1 square miles of forest.
9. Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Canada and Great Britain are all on the same page regarding how they deal with the subject matter, in order to keep from scaring the hell out of the public, which is comprised of a very high percentage which are barely hanging onto reality by their fingernails. So Bigfoot will likely make them dysfunctional on some level.

Once again great sagacity themanfromglad.

[themanfromglad]

Hey, glad man,

Where did you read all those things happened? Are you a comic book reader by chance?

I live in the Pacific Northwest, in Oregon of the USA. I am old enough to recall what the government was doing with Bigfoot before they decided to make what they knew Top Secret. I was also one of the several thousand school children involved in the Bigfoot study. I heard about that Top Secret Bigfoot captivity study from about 8 different sources. I briefly worked at a couple of branches of the Federal Government and observed who knew what. After my name was smeared all over the internet within the last 10 years, as being a nutjob paranormalist Bigfoot researcher, I could not get hired at maybe 50 government jobs that I applied for, even though by credentials were top notch. I also converse with perhaps the top female habituator in the US. None of what I listed is in writing, unless I wrote it. So I did not read about any of those things happening. If it is in writing, it is because I wrote it. For instance, you can google "invisible Bigfoot" and go to the cryptomundo website, to read something about the Top Secret Bigfoot captivity study. Which is wrote from recollection from people who read the Top Secret report and could not stop talking about it.

[Simon M]

http://cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/invisible-bf/

Intriguing info, Man from glad. Thanks for sharing it - I'm increasingly intrigued by the fact that, while so many people seem to inhabit a fantasy world of celebrities and 'reality' TV, the real world is considered too threatening for the majority to learn about.

I suppose fantasy is more profitable than reality.