Hominid canine teeth

[Boab Bob]

Interesting that ' Homo erectus erectus' - also called 'Java man' had large canines. Another contender besides Gigantopithecus?
A few of the most authentic-sounding reports including the Megalong Valley encounters do detail prominent canines that reach over the lower lip.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Man# ... cteristics
Wikipedia is somewhat lacking as apparently Ponginae - the orangutan family - is now classified as a hominid. This here is useful but doesn't detail Java man's canines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominid_d ... #Hominidae

Cheers, Bob

[Simon M]

Based only on the fact that DNA from alleged Yowie hair samples have often been impossible to identify as anything but 'unknown mammal', I'm prepared to accept that these creatures aren't apes at all, but something different.

We assume they're relict hominins due to their bipedalism, but I don't agree that we have enough evidence to assume this is so. They may well be related to us, but I don't think this is a given since we don't really know what they are. More information is needed before we can begin to classify them.

Just my two cents. We don't know enough to make any claims about their possible ancestry yet.

[moetunes]

Here's a pretty good explanation of the dna study on the 'supposed' bigfoot hairs.
http://bf-field-journal.blogspot.com.au ... shell.html

Robert Lindsay late last year had some news on the study being replicated and some pics and vids.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/cat ... s/bigfoot/

[Simon M]

Here's a pretty good explanation of the dna study on the 'supposed' bigfoot hairs.
http://bf-field-journal.blogspot.com.au ... shell.html

Robert Lindsay late last year had some news on the study being replicated and some pics and vids.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/cat ... s/bigfoot/

Thank you! Their research is impressively detailed, and the info about 'contamination' is intriguing.

So the results at the first link demonstrate that there's human mitochondrial DNA present, but that the rest of the DNA is not human -

"The hair samples were not consistent with human or any known wildlife hairs. Analysis of the DNA found that the mitochondrial DNA was human, but the nuclear DNA was from a unknown source. All known ape and relic hominin species such as Neanderthal and Denisovan were eliminated as being contributors to both the nuclear and mitochondrial sequences."



They conclude that the Sasquatch must be related to us, and hypothesise that there's been some kind of hybridisation that's resulted in the existence of Sasquatch.

Fair enough.

The other research supports Ketchum's findings (second link). Also fair enough.

Interestingly, the second link does note that Ketchum's methods - and potentially her findings - have been called into question:

"She could not find a journal which would print her findings. It was in peer review at Nature, the flagship journal of science, for some time but was rejected there. Editors at other journals openly told her that their scientific careers would be destroyed if they ran her study in their journals. So Melba bought her own journal and changed the name of it in a rather underhanded and sleazy way, lying continuously the whole time she was doing this.

Then she claimed she did her own peer review with a few scientists and it passed. She never showed us any evidence of this review. I doubt if the study was ever peer-reviewed. She probably just lied and said it was so she might be regarded as even slightly serious. Alas, it was all for naught, as the study was rejected out of hand, peer review or no peer review. In addition, her rather sleazy shenanigans with the frankly vanity journal that she bought in order to run her study added to the ridicule and derision from the scientific community, not that I blame them, as the whole thing seemed pretty amateurish and had a bad smell to it.

The thing is that if your scientific study cannot pass peer review at a real scientific journal, you can always go out and create or buy a vanity journal, make it your own journal and then print your own stuff. You can even claim that you did your own peer review. In this sense, dubious findings which fail to even make it through peer review at refereed journals can be published by any scientist, amateur or professional, with a bit of cash and a lot of nerve and gall."

We still cannot be sure precisely what they are, and if they diverged from a common ancestor a long time ago - which seems more likely to me, given their geographical spread, than the 'hybrid' concept - there's still no way of actually knowing if her findings were legit, despite the impressiveness of their presentation.

It's interesting reading, but without peer reviewed findings, we still don't know anything.

[Lozza62]

Chinese scientists analysed a recently discovered partial skull and found it was a hybrid of human and an unknown hominid adding weight to Dr Ketchums findings

[Simon M]

Chinese scientists analysed a recently discovered partial skull and found it was a hybrid of human and an unknown hominid adding weight to Dr Ketchums findings

Do you have a link to this info?

I'm not saying she's necessarily wrong, just that some of what I read at those links left me dubious about her methods.

I still maintain we don't have enough information to firmly state what these creatures are or aren't.

[micathia]

Chinese scientists analysed a recently discovered partial skull and found it was a hybrid of human and an unknown hominid adding weight to Dr Ketchums findings

I searched Chinese website, didn't find anything.

My own opinion, they are just mostly homo sapiens, of course not 100%. But we are not 100% either. At least, majority Chinese (including me) have gene from Neanderthals AND Denisova hominin. So they are not that far.

I have a story here to support my opinion. A real one.

Not long ago, in a Chinese village, villagers reported their home-fed chicken had been stolen, or heads were stripped off and blood sucked out. So they made a trap to catch this thing and they finally did. They couldn't identify the creature, so contacted government and scientists. The scientists, of course excited, BUT couldn't visually identify the creature, but after serious observation on it, then finally claim, this is nothing but a MAN, like you and me, maybe a "hermit" if my English is correct. But it covered with inches long hair all over the body.

This wild man can't speak. Only after people get him shaved and washed clean the secret revealed. One of the villager said, hey, he look like a relative to a man who lost his son years ago. This guess was finally proved to be true.

This wild man is a villager's son. The father and son went into the mountains together when the son was 5 years old. The little boy saw a beautiful butterfly and went chasing without daddy's permission, then fell into a stone crack/slot. His dad and another 200 villagers searched area couldn't find him, so his dad just believed his son was taken by a wolf and lost hope. The boy however, fell into a cave without an easy way out. He later on remembered, he lied down and cried for several days, and extremely hungry, got up, start searching around. There were a stream, with very clean water constantly, and rats in the caves. He survived on them, even though he recalled he sometimes would have to eat soils when no rat.

He said when he looked up, he could only see a long thin slot of the sky telling him day and night. And every winter, the stream became foggy that he knew another year passed. He was trapped and lived in this cave for 8 years. When body gradually grew taller and stronger, he build a stone pile and finally got out. He said during living in the case, his body grew LONG HAIR!

The boy once back to civilsation, was having trouble living with his parents, though after 6 months he started resuming language skill, he just couldnt help steeling others chicken and suck blood. But a zoo manager helped him (by using some animal dealing experience lol), training him eating cooked food, wearing clothes, etc. The guy now married with kids, working as an actor basically acting cave man, wild man etc. Everything back to normal except his wife may from time to time to buy raw chicken for his blood feast.

This is not a lore, it is shown in many serious media and real event. So it made me think, what if not only one boy, but a boy and a girl lost in bush like this, and many generation after, what their offsrping would look like? Body hair, skin colour, height, long arm or long legs, really does not take many generation to acquire. I guess they are predominantly homo sapiens, but maybe escaped Africa earlier than our ancestors. That is also to say, I believe they can be civilised. I mean, after some generation of training, they at least can find a job selling gifts at national park.

[Lozza62]

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evo ... ies-001059
Couldn't find original link but there are plenty of links online.I like your hypothesis on lost children anything is possible.

[Wolf]

Chinese scientists analysed a recently discovered partial skull and found it was a hybrid of human and an unknown hominid adding weight to Dr Ketchums findings

Do you have a link to this info?

I'm not saying she's necessarily wrong, just that some of what I read at those links left me dubious about her methods.

I still maintain we don't have enough information to firmly state what these creatures are or aren't.

I have said this elsewhere but I like my idea that the reason we human races all look so different is because Homo sapiens interbred with the numerous other hominids as we spread across the world. Most agree that there were once many different species of hominids on the planet around the same time, ranging greatly in morphology, colour, etc.

These variants of hominids had millions of years to evolve into their own niches, from Hairy northern giants to smaller forest dwellers to less hairy savannah runners. Then 'modern' humans came along and relatively recently outbred and interbred, creating the variety of 'races' we have today.

[Simon M]

Thanks, Lozza62! That link is excellent.

These variants of hominids had millions of years to evolve into their own niches, from Hairy northern giants to smaller forest dwellers to less hairy savannah runners. Then 'modern' humans came along and relatively recently outbred and interbred, creating the variety of 'races' we have today.

This is similar to the multi-regional theory, and also a bit like the theories first raised by Raymond Dart. Your argument sounds perfectly logical to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregi ... ern_humans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Dart

It could be true, especially if the so-called 'human contamination' in the hair samples tested is due to the fact that Yowie/Sasquatch DNA is extremely similar to our own. If we share 98.7% of the same DNA with Bonobos, we could also be very close to these creatures (assuming they're hominins).

The most interesting things I got from those two links posted by Moetunes is the idea that so-called 'human contamination' could be due to the creature's genetic similarity to ourselves. It's certainly an intriguing thought.

The Junjadee's apparent similarity to Homo Floresiensis is also worth noting in these sorts of discussions. The timeline concerning their demise on Flores (50,000 years ago approximately) means they existed at a time when they could, conceivably, have migrated to the Australian mainland at some point. Conditions could've been different, they may have known how to build rafts/canoes, etc, or even somehow travelled with other hominins who could've given them passage on one (under who knows what circumstances - as paying passengers, stowaways, slaves, or anything as far as we know). Again, this is pure speculation on my part, it's just a wild guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis