nz south island, milford sound

[snittydeedee]

Myself and my partner are currently holidaying on the south island of nz, today we had a guided tour of Milford sound. whilst traveling down to a stop off called "the chasm" I noticed a rock pile. it was 3 or 4 rocks high stacked from biggest to smallest, they weren't massive, the biggest around the size of a football. located around 50+ metres away from the entrance to the chasm.

when we arrived at our stop I asked our guide if he noticed the stack of rocks on the left and what it was.... he replied "its probably just tourists" gave me a look and quickly tried to divert my attention to the mountain view in the background. I then brought it up again and mentioned that in aus rock stacks are associated with yowies. he asked what are they and I said a mythical ape creature that lives in the bush. with that he turned away pointed to a walking track where the rest of our group was heading.

later on he mentioned a few things about his experiences and old stories of the first settlers.

the first was about something killing the sheep owned by first settlers and only taking certain organs like kidneys and stomach fat. and that at first the government thought it was an alpine parrot called Keas, I automatically thought to myself yowies. my partner whispered to me "how could a parrot kill. pierce the skin through a sheep's coat and locate these organs".

the second story was about how one day whilst conducting another tour he came across a massive boar that had was hit by another vehicle and how himself to other blokes and the owner of this now wrecked vehicle dragged this massive pig off the road. he said it weighed by guestimate around 200kg. the next day it was gone.... no sign of it.... he said no single man could of moved it. let alone pick it up and put it on the back of a ute and dispose of it.

he also mention that he worked for state conservation in this area for 30+ years and during that time he done allot of exploring of sacred mauri land in search of endangered animal species. and also of one group of mauri who were drove out of there territory and moved to a cave system high in the mountains to avoid another tribe who was killing and eating there people....

he was an extremely knowledgeable guy and was able to point out fauna of Fiona from metres away.

I believe he was telling me on the sly that he knows of what I'm talking of and that they are out there.

[gregvalentine]

the first was about something killing the sheep owned by first settlers and only taking certain organs like kidneys and stomach fat. and that at first the government thought it was an alpine parrot called Keas, I automatically thought to myself yowies. my partner whispered to me "how could a parrot kill. pierce the skin through a sheep's coat and locate these organs".

Keas, being parrots, are crafty birds, and they have a reputation for being able to inflict damage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kea
http://www.doc.govt.nz/kea
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/kea

[Mahigan]

Yes the New Zealand Bigfoot they call it the Moehau Man just googled it that's very interesting good post gregvalentine. I heard that way back when settlers arrived that the maori tribes were canabalistics but is it possible that they were mistaken for these Moehau Man?

[Yowie bait]

Those keas are full on destructive. Sounds like the guide was trying to tell you something! Thread on the NZ bigfoot somewhere on here..

[Thumper]

Yes the New Zealand Bigfoot they call it the Moehau Man just googled it that's very interesting good post gregvalentine. I heard that way back when settlers arrived that the maori tribes were canabalistics but is it possible that they were mistaken for these Moehau Man?

Myself and my partner are currently holidaying on the south island of nz, today we had a guided tour of Milford sound. whilst traveling down to a stop off called "the chasm" I noticed a rock pile. it was 3 or 4 rocks high stacked from biggest to smallest, they weren't massive, the biggest around the size of a football. located around 50+ metres away from the entrance to the chasm.

when we arrived at our stop I asked our guide if he noticed the stack of rocks on the left and what it was.... he replied "its probably just tourists" gave me a look and quickly tried to divert my attention to the mountain view in the background. I then brought it up again and mentioned that in aus rock stacks are associated with yowies. he asked what are they and I said a mythical ape creature that lives in the bush. with that he turned away pointed to a walking track where the rest of our group was heading.

later on he mentioned a few things about his experiences and old stories of the first settlers.

the first was about something killing the sheep owned by first settlers and only taking certain organs like kidneys and stomach fat. and that at first the government thought it was an alpine parrot called Keas, I automatically thought to myself yowies. my partner whispered to me "how could a parrot kill. pierce the skin through a sheep's coat and locate these organs".

the second story was about how one day whilst conducting another tour he came across a massive boar that had was hit by another vehicle and how himself to other blokes and the owner of this now wrecked vehicle dragged this massive pig off the road. he said it weighed by guestimate around 200kg. the next day it was gone.... no sign of it.... he said no single man could of moved it. let alone pick it up and put it on the back of a ute and dispose of it.

he also mention that he worked for state conservation in this area for 30+ years and during that time he done allot of exploring of sacred mauri land in search of endangered animal species. and also of one group of mauri who were drove out of there territory and moved to a cave system high in the mountains to avoid another tribe who was killing and eating there people....

he was an extremely knowledgeable guy and was able to point out fauna of Fiona from metres away.

I believe he was telling me on the sly that he knows of what I'm talking of and that they are out there.

I am very skeptical about Bigfoot in NZ. There just isn't the folklore support for it. The main cryptid in NZ is the Moa. You're more likely to see that than Bigfoot in my opinion.

[Thumper]

Yes the New Zealand Bigfoot they call it the Moehau Man just googled it that's very interesting good post gregvalentine. I heard that way back when settlers arrived that the maori tribes were canabalistics but is it possible that they were mistaken for these Moehau Man?

No, Maori cannibalism is a point of historical fact. No way to misattribute something like that.

[Wolf]

I am very skeptical about Bigfoot in NZ. There just isn't the folklore support for it. The main cryptid in NZ is the Moa. You're more likely to see that than Bigfoot in my opinion.

Me too, not to mention NZ is extremely young in geological terms and impossible to access without wings or boats. I know Yowies swim well but sheesh

[Shazzoir]

My opinion is based on nothing in particular, but I too have never heard anything about a hairy hominid in NZ. Some believe they have seen Moas, from something I read a long time ago, though.

Shazz

[VicYowieResearch]

Yes the New Zealand Bigfoot they call it the Moehau Man just googled it that's very interesting good post gregvalentine. I heard that way back when settlers arrived that the maori tribes were canabalistics but is it possible that they were mistaken for these Moehau Man?

Myself and my partner are currently holidaying on the south island of nz, today we had a guided tour of Milford sound. whilst traveling down to a stop off called "the chasm" I noticed a rock pile. it was 3 or 4 rocks high stacked from biggest to smallest, they weren't massive, the biggest around the size of a football. located around 50+ metres away from the entrance to the chasm.

when we arrived at our stop I asked our guide if he noticed the stack of rocks on the left and what it was.... he replied "its probably just tourists" gave me a look and quickly tried to divert my attention to the mountain view in the background. I then brought it up again and mentioned that in aus rock stacks are associated with yowies. he asked what are they and I said a mythical ape creature that lives in the bush. with that he turned away pointed to a walking track where the rest of our group was heading.

later on he mentioned a few things about his experiences and old stories of the first settlers.

the first was about something killing the sheep owned by first settlers and only taking certain organs like kidneys and stomach fat. and that at first the government thought it was an alpine parrot called Keas, I automatically thought to myself yowies. my partner whispered to me "how could a parrot kill. pierce the skin through a sheep's coat and locate these organs".

the second story was about how one day whilst conducting another tour he came across a massive boar that had was hit by another vehicle and how himself to other blokes and the owner of this now wrecked vehicle dragged this massive pig off the road. he said it weighed by guestimate around 200kg. the next day it was gone.... no sign of it.... he said no single man could of moved it. let alone pick it up and put it on the back of a ute and dispose of it.

he also mention that he worked for state conservation in this area for 30+ years and during that time he done allot of exploring of sacred mauri land in search of endangered animal species. and also of one group of mauri who were drove out of there territory and moved to a cave system high in the mountains to avoid another tribe who was killing and eating there people....

he was an extremely knowledgeable guy and was able to point out fauna of Fiona from metres away.

I believe he was telling me on the sly that he knows of what I'm talking of and that they are out there.

I am very skeptical about Bigfoot in NZ. There just isn't the folklore support for it. The main cryptid in NZ is the Moa. You're more likely to see that than Bigfoot in my opinion.

Actually there is. Tony Healy just gave a talk to us regarding Bigfoot in NZ only recently, when he spent time with us in ARFRA. He has been spending time in NZ and came across many stories of BF there.

Tony Healy is one of the authors of the book 'The Yowie'.

[Wolf]

Did he theorise on how they managed to get across thousands of miles of open ocean?

For ages I did not really believe a hairy hominid existed in Australia for similar reasons but then I realised when the 'gap' was at its shortest point umpteen thousand years ago anyone standing on New Guinea would have been able to at least see Australia, but that is not the case for NZ

[Bobnottski]

There is no evidence stating they started on one continent or another so why not in NZ?

[Bobnottski]

By started I mean originated

[gregvalentine]

Did he theorise on how they managed to get across thousands of miles of open ocean?

For ages I did not really believe a hairy hominid existed in Australia for similar reasons but then I realised when the 'gap' was at its shortest point umpteen thousand years ago anyone standing on New Guinea would have been able to at least see Australia, but that is not the case for NZ

Aren't Tasmanians proof that wombats can swim?

[Bobnottski]

Touché

[Doorway]

I have seen rock stacks in a few tourist places like Kings Canyon, NT. and El Questro, WA.
I have even watched youngsters (human) making them.
Its a bit of a fad or craze amongst the younger generation from what ive seen.
Not poo pooing the idea of yowies at Milford...just saying rock stacks in touristy areas may not be a sign of hairy ones.

[gregvalentine]

I have seen rock stacks in a few tourist places like Kings Canyon, NT. and El Questro, WA.
I have even watched youngsters (human) making them.
Its a bit of a fad or craze amongst the younger generation from what ive seen.
Not poo pooing the idea of yowies at Milford...just saying rock stacks in touristy areas may not be a sign of hairy ones.

I seem to recall that "rock stacks" were covered in another post sometime last (?) year. I'm off to bed now so won't bother trying to find it.

[Wolf]

Did he theorise on how they managed to get across thousands of miles of open ocean?

For ages I did not really believe a hairy hominid existed in Australia for similar reasons but then I realised when the 'gap' was at its shortest point umpteen thousand years ago anyone standing on New Guinea would have been able to at least see Australia, but that is not the case for NZ

Aren't Tasmanians proof that wombats can swim?

Geologically speaking... twasn't long ago you could walk from Melbourne to Hobart.

[VicYowieResearch]

Did he theorise on how they managed to get across thousands of miles of open ocean?

For ages I did not really believe a hairy hominid existed in Australia for similar reasons but then I realised when the 'gap' was at its shortest point umpteen thousand years ago anyone standing on New Guinea would have been able to at least see Australia, but that is not the case for NZ

Have you read The Yowie?


Have you theorised why 7 to 11 foot tall hirsuite bipeds have been spotted and recorded in cultures from every continent save Antarctica? For thousands of years? Yet not one decent photo exists, a body, or even a decent hair sample?

[Dion]

Have you theorised why 7 to 11 foot tall hirsuite bipeds have been spotted and recorded in cultures from every continent save Antarctica? For thousands of years? Yet not one decent photo exists, a body, or even a decent hair sample?

+1 however in Antarctica's defense not a lot of humans dwell there, although I am sure if you dug deep enough there would be evidence they would be there like any other continent.

[Wolf]

Did he theorise on how they managed to get across thousands of miles of open ocean?

For ages I did not really believe a hairy hominid existed in Australia for similar reasons but then I realised when the 'gap' was at its shortest point umpteen thousand years ago anyone standing on New Guinea would have been able to at least see Australia, but that is not the case for NZ

Have you read The Yowie?


Have you theorised why 7 to 11 foot tall hirsuite bipeds have been spotted and recorded in cultures from every continent save Antarctica? For thousands of years? Yet not one decent photo exists, a body, or even a decent hair sample?

No, haven't read it yet.
As to theories... why wouldn't an ancestor, or perhaps several ancestors, wander across this world like we have?

Humans made it to every continent and we've only been around for a hundred thousand years or less. Other hominids have been here far longer.

I tend to think the reason humans look so different is because we interbred with those that were here before us... with Sasquatch in the Americas, giving that distinct appearance of the First Nations peoples... with almas in Asia... Yowies in Gondwana... etc.

We have bodies, they have been misidentified as homo erectus, habilus, hiedelbergensis, etc. Or even mutated modern humans! Look at the Kow skull from south Australia.
Also there is plenty of other evidence including hair samples but few decent photographs simply because they are very smart and masters of camouflage. And so tuned in to their environment they sense game cams, etc.

[ChrisV]

After reading this thread - its sparked an interest in what NZ actually has to offer in terms of extinct animals and reports etc.
There does not seem to much about any bigfoot type residents but the Moa is an interesting read. Two legs and quite tall - quite a few folks say they have seen these emu like birds on the south island in remote areas. The Maori folks in those areas believe it still exists - which in itself is an interesting idea. No different to the local aboriginal leaders endorsing the existence of the Yowie in 2017.

[Yowie bait]

After reading this thread - its sparked an interest in what NZ actually has to offer in terms of extinct animals and reports etc.
There does not seem to much about any bigfoot type residents but the Moa is an interesting read. Two legs and quite tall - quite a few folks say they have seen these emu like birds on the south island in remote areas. The Maori folks in those areas believe it still exists - which in itself is an interesting idea. No different to the local aboriginal leaders endorsing the existence of the Yowie in 2017.

Very interesting encounter. Thats something you will never forget!

The gliding or smooth walking style has been reported here on the forum and in encounters numerous times. How cool to have one from japan!

Must be something to it..

[Yowie bait]

Geez wrong thread. meant for Only The Ghosts. Oh well. I was trying to stay out if it but Im all for the existence of the mohea man.

[gregvalentine]

After reading this thread - its sparked an interest in what NZ actually has to offer in terms of extinct animals and reports etc.
There does not seem to much about any bigfoot type residents but the Moa is an interesting read. Two legs and quite tall - quite a few folks say they have seen these emu like birds on the south island in remote areas. The Maori folks in those areas believe it still exists - which in itself is an interesting idea. No different to the local aboriginal leaders endorsing the existence of the Yowie in 2017.

Apologies for going off at a tangent, but do they still think that there are remnant moose roaming around Fiordland?

[ChrisV]

After reading this thread - its sparked an interest in what NZ actually has to offer in terms of extinct animals and reports etc.
There does not seem to much about any bigfoot type residents but the Moa is an interesting read. Two legs and quite tall - quite a few folks say they have seen these emu like birds on the south island in remote areas. The Maori folks in those areas believe it still exists - which in itself is an interesting idea. No different to the local aboriginal leaders endorsing the existence of the Yowie in 2017.

Apologies for going off at a tangent, but do they still think that there are remnant moose roaming around Fiordland?

I imagine if there was a moose floating around someone would of seen something?! I mean a moose is not something that would have the hiding characteristics of say a Yowie, tassie tiger or small marsupial!

One would think that a moose or moa might be easier to spot - depending on human populations of course in the area.

[VicYowieResearch]

Did he theorise on how they managed to get across thousands of miles of open ocean?

For ages I did not really believe a hairy hominid existed in Australia for similar reasons but then I realised when the 'gap' was at its shortest point umpteen thousand years ago anyone standing on New Guinea would have been able to at least see Australia, but that is not the case for NZ

Have you read The Yowie?


Have you theorised why 7 to 11 foot tall hirsuite bipeds have been spotted and recorded in cultures from every continent save Antarctica? For thousands of years? Yet not one decent photo exists, a body, or even a decent hair sample?

No, haven't read it yet.
As to theories... why wouldn't an ancestor, or perhaps several ancestors, wander across this world like we have?

Humans made it to every continent and we've only been around for a hundred thousand years or less. Other hominids have been here far longer.

I tend to think the reason humans look so different is because we interbred with those that were here before us... with Sasquatch in the Americas, giving that distinct appearance of the First Nations peoples... with almas in Asia... Yowies in Gondwana... etc.....and yet nowhere in our fossil record does a 7 to 11 foot tall ancestor leave a single solitary bone....and humans can only bred with very close relatives...like we did with neanderthals.....so where is this mystery extremely tall hirsuite hominid in our fossil lineage.....and why does it not show up in DNA sequencing?

We have bodies, they have been misidentified as homo erectus, habilus, hiedelbergensis, etc. Or even mutated modern humans! Misidentified? That's a very bold claim, I would have thought paleontologists knew what they were looking at! Look at the Kow skull from south Australia. Still a modern human- homo sapien- even if it is a very tall example...
Also there is plenty of other evidence including hair samples...(Where? but few decent photographs Can you show me just one decent photograph?simply because they are very smart and masters of camouflage. And so tuned in to their environment they sense game cams, etc.

You are attempting to reduce it down to fit the mystery, understandable but it still explains nothing. What are they, and how did they get so smart?

[Yowie bait]

Good question Vic. How did they get so smart? There must be more to it than what we are seeing. Do they use stick signs to communicate and portals to travel? Do they hang out with aliens on other dimensions or are they just big hairy apes and good at hiding? Did they "evolve" this way or did someone help them along the way as someone has suggested to me once.

There sure is a lot of fuss, conjecture and confusion surrounding our
Hairy freinds and thats why its so important

An unnatainable or officially not discovered being,living alongside us and we know hardly anything about them. Its only early days yet, in terms of research and when it is revealed then that will be one of or the most important discoveries or rediscoveries in modern history and possibly the answer to many more secrets...

[Simon M]

I suspect we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg in terms of what the Yowies are. There's so much we can't possibly know, and so much that defies logical explanation.

It's simply the case that they defy our attempts to explain them at every turn. People are seeing something they broadly identify as an 'ape man', but that's all we know for sure. They seem to leave some physical evidence but not enough to convince scientists or even determined sceptics (footprint casts are often inconsistent, and too easily dismissed as being faked). They seem impossible to accurately record on camera under any circumstances; a feat that's entirely unique in the natural world.

Having said that, and having never seen one, I still think they're real. Also, count me in for the Moehau...if I can accept the Yowie, the Thylacine and a native 'big cat' of some kind, then why not the Moehau in New Zealand? It's certainly no less weird - and no more difficult to prove or disprove - than the presence of the Yowie.

[Wolf]

Have you read The Yowie?


Have you theorised why 7 to 11 foot tall hirsuite bipeds have been spotted and recorded in cultures from every continent save Antarctica? For thousands of years? Yet not one decent photo exists, a body, or even a decent hair sample?

No, haven't read it yet.
As to theories... why wouldn't an ancestor, or perhaps several ancestors, wander across this world like we have?

Humans made it to every continent and we've only been around for a hundred thousand years or less. Other hominids have been here far longer.

I tend to think the reason humans look so different is because we interbred with those that were here before us... with Sasquatch in the Americas, giving that distinct appearance of the First Nations peoples... with almas in Asia... Yowies in Gondwana... etc.....and yet nowhere in our fossil record does a 7 to 11 foot tall ancestor leave a single solitary bone....and humans can only bred with very close relatives...like we did with neanderthals.....so where is this mystery extremely tall hirsuite hominid in our fossil lineage.....and why does it not show up in DNA sequencing?

We have bodies, they have been misidentified as homo erectus, habilus, hiedelbergensis, etc. Or even mutated modern humans! Misidentified? That's a very bold claim, I would have thought paleontologists knew what they were looking at! Look at the Kow skull from south Australia. Still a modern human- homo sapien- even if it is a very tall example...
Also there is plenty of other evidence including hair samples...(Where? but few decent photographs Can you show me just one decent photograph?simply because they are very smart and masters of camouflage. And so tuned in to their environment they sense game cams, etc.[/quote] You are attempting to reduce it down to fit the mystery, understandable but it still explains nothing. What are they, and how did they get so smart? [/quote]

I can show you plenty of good photographs, whether they are real or fake is a different story.

In fact there are plenty of large bones... Heidelbergensis for just one example. Not to mention the countless 'mysterious bones' found and hidden away by the authorities (what I'd give to explore the deepest parts of the Smithsonian).

'Scientists' claim the Kow skull is a 'modern human', but have you looked at it? Massive occitipal bun (necessary for huge traps), ridged cranium (cone head), heavy brow, small chin, massive muscle points for the jaw... in short, an exact description of a what a Sasquatch/Yowie skull should look like... see the thread 'Yowie Skull'.

As to what they are and how they got so smart... IMO 'they' are cousins, no further removed than Neanderthal and certainly closer to us than the other great apes. Apes are incredibly intelligent, far more so than most humans give them credit for. It is not much of a step above great ape intelligence to be smart enough to avoid humans so successfully, especially if possessing such incredible night vision as they seem to have.
Add to this the huge brain space towards the back of the head rather then the frontal lobes (like us) and you have the potential for a very high 'instinctual intelligence', perhaps to the point of ESP or even 'mindspeak'.

In fact ALL animals in general are far smarter than what we give them credit for. Crows for example can count to four and solve complex problems and they have a tiny brain. It is simply human ego that undervalues the intelligence of our fellow creatures because we consider ourselves to be top of the evolutionary tree, masters of the world, when in fact birds are far more evolved than we, after all they can fly. Even whales and dolphins are 'more' evolved... after all they evolved from sea creatures to land, THEN BACK AGAIN TO THE SEA!!!

[VicYowieResearch]

Have you read The Yowie?


Have you theorised why 7 to 11 foot tall hirsuite bipeds have been spotted and recorded in cultures from every continent save Antarctica? For thousands of years? Yet not one decent photo exists, a body, or even a decent hair sample?

No, haven't read it yet.
As to theories... why wouldn't an ancestor, or perhaps several ancestors, wander across this world like we have?

Humans made it to every continent and we've only been around for a hundred thousand years or less. Other hominids have been here far longer.

I tend to think the reason humans look so different is because we interbred with those that were here before us... with Sasquatch in the Americas, giving that distinct appearance of the First Nations peoples... with almas in Asia... Yowies in Gondwana... etc.....and yet nowhere in our fossil record does a 7 to 11 foot tall ancestor leave a single solitary bone....and humans can only bred with very close relatives...like we did with neanderthals.....so where is this mystery extremely tall hirsuite hominid in our fossil lineage.....and why does it not show up in DNA sequencing?

We have bodies, they have been misidentified as homo erectus, habilus, hiedelbergensis, etc. Or even mutated modern humans! Misidentified? That's a very bold claim, I would have thought paleontologists knew what they were looking at! Look at the Kow skull from south Australia. Still a modern human- homo sapien- even if it is a very tall example...
Also there is plenty of other evidence including hair samples...(Where? but few decent photographs Can you show me just one decent photograph?simply because they are very smart and masters of camouflage. And so tuned in to their environment they sense game cams, etc.

You are attempting to reduce it down to fit the mystery, understandable but it still explains nothing. What are they, and how did they get so smart? [/quote]

I can show you plenty of good photographs, whether they are real or fake is a different story. I ask you to show me just one Wolf...I have never seen one decent one yet...

In fact there are plenty of large bones... Heidelbergensis for just one example. Heidelbergensis grew to a maximim of under 6 feet! Not to mention the countless 'mysterious bones' found and hidden away by the authorities (what I'd give to explore the deepest parts of the Smithsonian)You are sounding like you believe those crackpot photos of 'giant skeletons'...and why would 'the authorities' want to hide them away?.

'Scientists' claim the Kow skull is a 'modern human', but have you looked at it? Massive occitipal bun (necessary for huge traps), ridged cranium (cone head), heavy brow, small chin, massive muscle points for the jaw... in short, an exact description of a what a Sasquatch/Yowie skull should look like... see the thread 'Yowie Skull'.

Nope, more like an archaic human with erectus features or artificial skull deformation

As to what they are and how they got so smart... IMO 'they' are cousins, no further removed than NeanderthalIf they are no further removed from us in the family tree...where is this mysterious ancestor in our fossil record, or in our DNA? and certainly closer to us than the other great apes. Apes are incredibly intelligent, far more so than most humans give them credit for.Errr, Humans ARE Apes It is not much of a step above great ape intelligence to be smart enough to avoid humans so successfully, especially if possessing such incredible night vision as they seem to have. And how/why did they evolve that?
Add to this the huge brain space towards the back of the head rather then the frontal lobes (like us) and you have the potential for a very high 'instinctual intelligence', perhaps to the point of ESP or even 'mindspeak'.Hearsay.

In fact ALL animals in general are far smarter than what we give them credit for. Crows for example can count to four and solve complex problems and they have a tiny brain. It is simply human ego that undervalues the intelligence of our fellow creatures because we consider ourselves to be top of the evolutionary tree, masters of the world, when in fact birds are far more evolved than we, after all they can fly. Even whales and dolphins are 'more' evolved... after all they evolved from sea creatures to land, THEN BACK AGAIN TO THE SEA!!![/quote]You are making more of a philosophical point rather than answering my questions...but I am not saying any of us have the answers yet. What I am saying is that there is something 'else' going on with the phenomena. Call it 'woo' if you like, but trying to rationalize the mystery to a nice safe scientific paradigm has never worked so far, hence why I asked you to show me just one decent photo. I am not the only one in the bush, and who have spent time on this phenomena to realise something very odd is happening.