Government knowledge

[Lozza62]

I wonder if our government has a dossier on the Yowie?I would imagine there be stacks of reports from Barrington Tops now they put a Tassie devil park right on the middle of Yowie central and being a government initiative surely there would be reports of sightings filtering back to them.It would be great to get feedback from the rangers.

[Simon M]

If they do we'll never hear about it. I suspect that there are people who know a great deal about all this whose job it is to make sure that such knowledge is restricted.

In my opinion (guessing) a lot of national parks, conservation areas, public-access restricted nature reserves and the like are declared on the basis of this knowledge. It'd be an issue which would definitely be in the "too hard basket" due to the sheer size of the areas involved as well as the cost & logistics of trying to monitor them.

[Boab Bob]

I think there's probably been internal government chatter (perhaps theories) about the yowie over the years partly due to police reports etc but probably doesn't have any evidence beyond what is already out there.

[yowiedan]

Other than the National Parks Workers out there that might witness or know about Yowies, I don't think that the Govt knows much about our Hairy friend.
The Politicians are too busy fighting between themselves or the Opposition to worry about Yowies. I go out alot into the Blue Mountains and have never seen any National Parks workers or any type of Govt Workers ever on trails day or night. So to be honest i don't think they are spending any time or money on researching or looking for them.

[ChrisV]

I tend to agree.
I can't see the government really paying too much attention to the Yowie situation. I imagine the National Parks and Wildlife Service would be aware and have a few reports and maybe keep a watch on it but not encouraging anything on it.

Then again - that was a mere guess.

[Wolf]

'Guvmints' are made up of people, who are easily compartmentalised.
I have been in the Parks & Wildlife and it is made up of workers who do as little as possible to keep the pay cheques coming in. They are as bad as the proverbial council worker, leaning on his shovel, rolling a fag and taking half a day to decide where to start digging.

'Disclosure' will only happen when it is to the benefit of the PTTTB... to help bring in Agenda 21 on steroids, for example.

[AL Pitman]

I have always found it strange as to the reason why certain parks are closed in the early evening until sunrise !
Cedar creek falls in the Mount Tambourine area comes to mind and I know there are plenty more all up and down the eastern seaboard and its hinterlands !!
What are they hiding under the guise of FOR PUBLIC SAFETY !!!

[ChrisV]

I have always found it strange as to the reason why certain parks are closed in the early evening until sunrise !
Cedar creek falls in the Mount Tambourine area comes to mind and I know there are plenty more all up and down the eastern seaboard and its hinterlands !!
What are they hiding under the guise of FOR PUBLIC SAFETY !!!

I always thought they were closed to stop people heading into areas that either have cliffs or people getting lost at night?

[Yowie bait]

This may be of interest. Love the letter from ASIO!

Http://m.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/ne ... re-replies

[Lozza62]

I have always found it strange as to the reason why certain parks are closed in the early evening until sunrise !
Cedar creek falls in the Mount Tambourine area comes to mind and I know there are plenty more all up and down the eastern seaboard and its hinterlands !!
What are they hiding under the guise of FOR PUBLIC SAFETY !!!

I've noticed Willi Willi closes for weeks at a time and during summer.....peak times for visitors.No explainable just that orange plastic tape across road.

[Tim*]

I haven't got much to add on .gov coverups other than it wouldn't surprise me at all.

The National Parks closures though. I think the reasons might be a little less clandestine than all that.
Public safety is a more reasonable explanation here. You need to remember that there is a large portion of the population that need protecting from their own stupidity. Alot of these placed rely on the tourist dollar for funding and theres nothing worse for business than a missing or injured tourist headline.

If we're indulging in conspiracy, I would be more inclined to attribute closures to Parks staff trying to justify their jobs and protecting their income. Gotta look useful right? Tree fallen over the trail, look out theres a day putting up warning tape. Another day for removing the tree and another for double checking it's safe and reopening the trail. Deeper into the conspiracy the Park itself has to justify it's funding. A smoothly running park that doesn't cost anything to maintain isn't going to attract the same level of funding as a park with high running costs.
Deeper still, with the high price of education it's in everyones interest to keep university degrees relevant. Gotta give the punters a reason to fork out $s for four years in the hopes of one day becoming a Parks employee.
Less work in the parks=Less parks employees=Less people training to be employed in the sector=less $s from education.

Something to think about anyway

[Dion]

I would have no doubt that there would a ??? somewhere in the world that would monitor this phenomenon among others.

We do after all live in an information age.

Whether or not they pay a little or a lot of attention to it is anyone's guess.

Just my opinion.

[Simon M]

Unless there's money to be made, or an election to be won or lost over it, I doubt that anyone with any real authority would bother investigating Yowies. Most of the people responsible for making legislation don't even acknowledge climate change, so I doubt that Yowies are high on their list of priorities.

Having said that, if anything about Yowies is known to the authorities I doubt it would be very detailed or comprehensive.

They'd just be seen as an obstacle to someone's political ambitions, I suspect. No doubt some people/agencies know a lot more than they're saying but I think it's unlikely that the authorities have any detailed insight into the phenomenon,

[Gavin]

I agree Simon. I think it's less of a concerted cover up more a case of "Don't talk about it and it will quietly go away by itself."

[Dion]

Ok hypothetical question to all, and a little off topic....but,

Who here believes that the UFO phenomenon is monitored? If I was to take a guess at the answer, I would say the majority of you would say "probably" or "yes".

If this is the case then why not the Yowie or bigfoot having some form of database/collection system?

Again I have no doubt that there would be ??? somewhere which gathers information on the subject.

Coming back to my earlier point its just a matter of how much or how little.

[Shazzoir]

Dion, put me down for a resounding "YES" on both counts. If there is any perceived threat to our easily controlled population, you can bet the powers that be know all there is to know about such things. A panicked population is unmanageable, and they would like to prevent that happening at all costs.

Shazz

[Joby1982]

Hey Guys I work for NPWS and I will not write what I would like to about the Senior and upper Management as I would no longer have a job. To keep it as simple as possible and to keep my neck off the chopping block - there is def no cover ups or conspiracy theories. There are some blokes I work with that think I am a nutter because I believe yowie exist. They have a different agenda, NPWS has a massive restructure coming and coming hard and fast, they are more worried about themselves than anything.

[Rusty2]

there is def no cover ups or conspiracy theories.

But they know of it's existence .

[Shazzoir]

Relevant thread... viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5195&view=unread#unread

Shazz

[Joby1982]

The Govt would 100% know of their existence, the muppets at NPWS wouldn't care or know as it not on their agenda.

[Wolf]

The Govt would 100% know of their existence, the muppets at NPWS wouldn't care or know as it not on their agenda.

Exactly. As I said earlier, the service is made up of regular people, who do as little as necessary to keep the pay cheques coming in.

It was NSW Parks and Wildlife I used to work for as well... we built the sandstone steps (back filled with dry concrete/bush sand mix) going over the Spit on the North Shore of Sydney Harbour back in the late 80s.

We were lucky to get two steps done a day, usually only one and often not even that!!!!
One day while the others went to the pub for a very long lunch I decided to stay and got two steps done by myself while they were gone (after I ate my lunch AND had a nap in the sun on the rocks as well).

Add to this inherent laziness of most public servants the fact that everyone is completely compartmentalised and you have the explanation as to why there has been no disclosure from the beurocracy. And likely never will.

[Dion]

The Govt would 100% know of their existence, the muppets at NPWS wouldn't care or know as it not on their agenda.

NPSR QLD know about them as Rangers have had encounters with them before, but I would think not much attention is paid to it.

Its probably just be a random case a couple of individuals being in knowledge of them, IMO some in governmental positions would know/believe and others dont depends on individual personalities like anything in life.

I remember bumping into a ranger in the Tarra-Bulga NP after there was a sighting there years ago, I posed the question if there where any Big Cat sightings there, seeing if he was open to it and also anything else, and he kinda squirmed and said "No.... but we did have a Yowie sighting here".

In the end that case turned out to be a elaborate hoax of a guy in a suit, whether or not that Ranger I spoke with still believes in them or believes it all to be nonsense who knows.

However it poses the question of how many Rangers are open to the possibility of Yowies.

I would say Rangers, being boots on the ground.... would have a greater acceptance of them if they ever did have an encounter as to other positions higher up that are mainly spent sitting behind a computer with relatively no time spent bush. But thats hypothetical, and I am only guessing.

[gregvalentine]

The Govt would 100% know of their existence, the muppets at NPWS wouldn't care or know as it not on their agenda.

Exactly. As I said earlier, the service is made up of regular people, who do as little as necessary to keep the pay cheques coming in.

A crapulous over-generalisation.

It was NSW Parks and Wildlife I used to work for as well... we built the sandstone steps (back filled with dry concrete/bush sand mix) going over the Spit on the North Shore of Sydney Harbour back in the late 80s.

We were lucky to get two steps done a day, usually only one and often not even that!!!!
One day while the others went to the pub for a very long lunch I decided to stay and got two steps done by myself while they were gone (after I ate my lunch AND had a nap in the sun on the rocks as well).

Add to this inherent laziness of most public servants

Another crapulous over-generalisation.

and the fact that everyone is completely compartmentalised and you have the explanation as to why there has been no disclosure from the beurocracy. And likely never will.

[Wolf]

The Govt would 100% know of their existence, the muppets at NPWS wouldn't care or know as it not on their agenda.

Exactly. As I said earlier, the service is made up of regular people, who do as little as necessary to keep the pay cheques coming in.

A crapulous over-generalisation.

It was NSW Parks and Wildlife I used to work for as well... we built the sandstone steps (back filled with dry concrete/bush sand mix) going over the Spit on the North Shore of Sydney Harbour back in the late 80s.

We were lucky to get two steps done a day, usually only one and often not even that!!!!
One day while the others went to the pub for a very long lunch I decided to stay and got two steps done by myself while they were gone (after I ate my lunch AND had a nap in the sun on the rocks as well).

Add to this inherent laziness of most public servants

Another crapulous over-generalisation.

and the fact that everyone is completely compartmentalised and you have the explanation as to why there has been no disclosure from the beurocracy. And likely never will.

over-generalisations or not, it is certainly true in the vast majority of my experiences with the public service... in fact, I would postulate 'laziness' would be an evolutionary beneficial trait as energy conservation is very important for survival.

as to 'crapulous'... it sounds good in the sentence but I am not sure you know what it actually means?

[Yowie bait]

Of course the gov knows. They control everything.

Ive seen those wildlife service guys sleeping in their cars numerous times. Sometimes for hours!

[hillbilly]

The closing of National Parks would, I assume, be considered for the protection of people- from themselves.
Most posters here display an average dose of "common sense". That is NOT so in the average Joe.
Common Sense is dead. (Look that one up on Google)
We make assumptions based on our own perception, using our own common sense.
Every summer those National Parks are filled with people from all walks, happy to enjoy the Great Outdoors. Using their own common sense, they will select their camp site, light their camp fire, swim in the waterholes, climb rocks and mountains, get up close to nature, etc.
Now, how will that pan out when just 1% of them has NO common sense.
Unfortunatley, the National Parks could be implicated as having a "duty of care" and the 1% can sue for their own FN stupidity.

I would close the national parks too.

As for cover ups. someone wrote " turned out to be a elaborate hoax of a guy in a suit"
OK?
So that's what the official answer is. Case closed.

[Dion]

As for cover ups. someone wrote " turned out to be a elaborate hoax of a guy in a suit"
OK?
So that's what the official answer is. Case closed.

http://www.yowiefile.com/The_Yowie_File ... _2006.html

[hillbilly]

Thanks Dion, I see your point.
I was using your words to sort of poke fun at the excuses the authorities have used to explain the unusual...
like weather balloon, swamp gas, guy in a suit (so that's the official explanation ??)

[Wolf]

... Common Sense is dead. (Look that one up on Google)
We make assumptions based on our own perception, using our own common sense.
Every summer those National Parks are filled with people from all walks, happy to enjoy the Great Outdoors. Using their own common sense, they will select their camp site, light their camp fire, swim in the waterholes, climb rocks and mountains, get up close to nature, etc.
Now, how will that pan out when just 1% of them has NO common sense.

Or as my old man used to call it... uncommon sense.