Witnesses and trauma

[Scarts]

Hi all,

I'm writing a new book focussing on Trauma and its type and connection to Yowie experiences (before and after) and Yowie fascination, here in Australia.

Assistance is sort from any forum Witnesses or Witnesses passing through, who would like to have their untold story told. Most important is protection of anonymity, using an alias.

This book is not concerned nor interested in proving or speculating on the nature of the Yowie. This book is interested in the human experience behind the encounters. It will provide a voice for those who are desperate for their untold stories of trauma to be told without fear of ridicule, or condemnation, in connection with their respective Yowie experiences and fascinations.

Private Message me for more details......

[ChrisV]

Hi all,

I'm writing a new book focussing on Trauma and its type and connection to Yowie experiences (before and after) and Yowie fascination, here in Australia.

Assistance is sort from any forum Witnesses or Witnesses passing through, who would like to have their untold story told. Most important is protection of anonymity, using an alias.

This book is not concerned nor interested in proving or speculating on the nature of the Yowie. This book is interested in the human experience behind the encounters. It will provide a voice for those who are desperate for their untold stories of trauma to be told without fear of ridicule, or condemnation, in connection with their respective Yowie experiences and fascinations.

Private Message me for more details......

Hi Scarts
Can't say i have had a traumatic Yowie experience but it has some very interesting effects on those who don't initially believe.
It essentially can turn a persons life upside down - not only seeing the creature but the whole perception of the world we live in, religion and the bush that surrounds us. Trauma could also be someone being challenged on their beliefs - not just the physical interaction....see the Christian vs the Yowie thread in the other section...

I hope some people come forward to share with you - would be very interesting to read your results.

[Scarts]

I'm getting some interesting feedback....It's nice to have people open up and speak their truth....

[Shazzoir]

Scarts, this is good stuff. I would think many folks would find value in expressing their bewilderment, fear etc. as a cathartic way of processing what they feel and have seen/heard. Well done, and I hope all goes well for the project.

Shazz

[Yowie bait]

Good to see someone talking to eyewitnesses. I dont think theres enough research into this type of thing. Could be some interesting results by gathering a bit of background info from witnesses.

Could be a lot of valuable info repressed in their minds. I seem to have repressed a disturbing childhood memory tucked away with the scariest bits of my encounter. I was thinking about it the other night and got a flash of the big hairy red eyed bugger. I guess you could call it a yowie flashback!

[Scarts]

How does one perceive and experience the Yowie?

What's required?

The majority of Yowie experiences occur to people who are by themselves, though I have personally interviewed multiple witness encounters.

While such encounters can cause trauma by way of shock, fear, and unable to process what has been witnessed, sometimes the trauma can mask earlier traumas or major behaviour dysfunction. A lot of encounters have occurred to people engaged in repetitive activities in natural settings, in states of wakefulness, as well as engaged in activities they were nervous about.

[Yowie bait]

How does one perceive and experience the Yowie?

What's required?

The majority of Yowie experiences occur to people who are by themselves, though I have personally interviewed multiple witness encounters.

While such encounters can cause trauma by way of shock, fear, and unable to process what has been witnessed, sometimes the trauma can mask earlier traumas or major behaviour dysfunction. A lot of encounters have occurred to people engaged in repetitive activities in natural settings, in states of wakefulness, as well as engaged in activities they were nervous about.

That will be an interesting book.

I had a bad shellfish or chlorine allergy that afternoon and wasnt feeling so great the night of the encounter. Probably suffering a bit of anxiety and subdued . My mate was his usual insane self.

Could be a lot to learn about yowies behaviour from encounters as well!

[paulmcleod67]

I can only speak for myself and to a limited degree my fiancee ,(although truth be told Mylene cancelled the wedding engagement based on the life choices I made after the incident). Also that cases like ours, where an assault has occurred (contributing circumstances and factors not withstanding) seem to be pretty rare in the modern era, although Deans two incidents certainly come to mind.
In a nutshell for myself it went like this.
Life altering...

Trauma
Shock
Anxiety
Nightmares
Denial
Depression
Abandonment
Struggle
Realization
Acceptance


Ultimately, personal knowledge and the making of choices as to what to do with all that the experience has heaped upon you.

To put it all aside, to try and forget or to try and prevent it happening to others? But then how?

Despite everything since, leaving my home and changing my social life, completely and effectively ruining a fledgling writing career
and watching the woman I love suffer ongoing night terrors....it does get better over time.
If I could go back in time and change one thing in my life, just one thing, it would be the moment we pulled into that side trail near West Wyalong....We would keep driving past that particular point of no return....

Cheers

[Wolf]

If I could go back in time and change one thing in my life, just one thing, it would be the moment we pulled into that side trail near West Wyalong....We would keep driving past that particular point of no return....

Cheers

Nope... your Life experiences are what makes you, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger...
... and the harder the struggle, the stronger the man if he can constantly remember one thing...

there are no 'good' nor 'bad' experiences, there are just experiences, we have the mental ability to accept them or be scared of them. By accepting them (loving them) you open yourself up to Growing in strength. The trick is in bypassing fear... which is simple (as the good solutions always are):

Ask yourself, What's the WORST that could happen in ANY situation?

Death.

Am I dying right now?

Well, no...

Then why waste these moments in my limited life right now, by fearing something that is not happening in this present moment?

[Yowie bait]

I would relieve my encounter over every day and twice on sundays if i could. A truly amazing life changing experience that i am very thankful for. Wouldnt change it for anything actually. Bloody awesome!

Seems the older folks take it harder than the young blokes. I guess as they have already experienced so much that they have their minds made up and not expecting a weird unknown experience. Especually the hunters and tough guys mentally castrated by the experience.

[Wolf]

relieve?

... or relive?

[Yowie bait]

relieve? (c**p)

... or relive?

Lol! Relive of course i meant..

[Scarts]

It's interesting, Paul, that you like many others, describe your experience as one that was extremely traumatic. It had a profound affect upon your life. Yet, there are many members on this board who would give their left testi to experience the Yowie, thinking it wouldn't be traumatic for them.

The difference with a traumatic yowie experience, is it can send the individual off on a new exciting purpose in life. A quest for answers and understanding which can be all consuming and obsessive with a need from the individual for support and their story to be believed.

A famous psychologist, Michael Conforti defines trauma as "anything that really threatens the physical and/or psychological health of an individual." This suggests experiencing the yowie can threaten your psychological health.

[Wolf]

It's interesting, Paul, that you like many others, describe your experience as one that was extremely traumatic. It had a profound affect upon your life. Yet, there are many members on this board who would give their left testi to experience the Yowie, thinking it wouldn't be traumatic for them.

The difference with a traumatic yowie experience, is it can send the individual off on a new exciting purpose in life. A quest for answers and understanding which can be all consuming and obsessive with a need from the individual for support and their story to be believed.

A famous psychologist, Michael Conforti defines trauma as "anything that really threatens the physical and/or psychological health of an individual." This suggests experiencing the yowie can threaten your psychological health.

Yes, at least today's 'Yowie-Traumatised' have a massive advantage over past 'victims' in that at least today they have places (like this forum), podcasts, etc where they can get it all off their chests without fearing condemnation and ridicule.

[paulmcleod67]

It's interesting, Paul, that you like many others, describe your experience as one that was extremely traumatic. It had a profound affect upon your life. Yet, there are many members on this board who would give their left testi to experience the Yowie, thinking it wouldn't be traumatic for them.

The difference with a traumatic yowie experience, is it can send the individual off on a new exciting purpose in life. A quest for answers and understanding which can be all consuming and obsessive with a need from the individual for support and their story to be believed.

A famous psychologist, Michael Conforti defines trauma as "anything that really threatens the physical and/or psychological health of an individual." This suggests experiencing the yowie can threaten your psychological health.

Yes, at least today's 'Yowie-Traumatised' have a massive advantage over past 'victims' in that at least today they have places (like this forum), podcasts, etc where they can get it all off their chests without fearing condemnation and ridicule.

Honestly matey I think that if this forum wasn't in existence in 2012 I very well may have gone repressed alky .
I still need the group outlet here for catharsis. It took some time for me not to absorb negative critique in a reactive way.
I understand that the rest of the world wasn't there that night and the burden of proof is mine and mine alone, and that firm healthy skepticism is
in reality a positive thing.

I have promised Mylene that this lifestyle has a shelf life and at some point I will walk away . Until then I am going to do the best I can with what I have
and make a lot of noise, if only for wider public awareness. And I do understand the concerns of the conservative reductionist I am not a scientist ,I am a free thinking person with a respectable I.Q that can see a genuine public safety concern that just is not being addressed in any quarter.

My fiancee has suspended our wedding out of fear that on one of my little excursions I will become one of the missing. That's a concern from a person that was there in the real with me that night. And she might be right. She has taken the view that I am being obsessively selfish. The reality is that I signed on the dotted green line and enlisted years ago for very similar reasons. I'm not selfish or materialistic or an egoist, I am a humanist. Id give you my last dollar and the shirt off my back if you asked. Honestly If Mel ever got wind that every cent from the sales of my book in The U.S went to my chosen charity CANTEEN and also a percentage of my monthly income she would have kittens.

I trust the systems in place ( to a point) to deal with humanities low life's and deviants may they receive all they cause in kind.
Then there is this....subject.... which barely gets lip service and then mainly of the sarcastic or ill grossly ill informed variety.

I will never and could never just cross the street and walk on by an assault on a woman or child on the street, or for that matter an unfair fight
and I have the scares to prove that. If by action or statement I offend certain sensibilities...so what? A person can not die of being offended, In fact outside of the psyche being offended has zero physical effects besides "being offended".

I only want to understand learn and contribute .
"Peace out" as they say.

Cheers

[Wolf]

Honestly If Mel ever got wind that every cent from the sales of my book in The U.S went to my chosen charity CANTEEN and also a percentage of my monthly income she would have kittens.

Book?

[paulmcleod67]

Honestly If Mel ever got wind that every cent from the sales of my book in The U.S went to my chosen charity CANTEEN and also a percentage of my monthly income she would have kittens.

Book?

Here you go matey.


https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-Ha ... 1482592487

Cheers

[paulmcleod67]

Honestly If Mel ever got wind that every cent from the sales of my book in The U.S went to my chosen charity CANTEEN and also a percentage of my monthly income she would have kittens.

Book?

P.S

I got a nice customer review just recently, quite a well balanced apraisal.

"A ripper of a read. Everyone has their theories about this fateful day in Australian history when we lost a Prime Minister to the ocean waves. You don't have to actually believe any of them to enjoy these hypothetical scenarios or fictions because it is a fact "no body was ever found". The one outlined in this book about corrupt intelligence cells during the Vietnam war with consequent CIA assassinations in collaboration with ASIO is thoroughly researched as plausible. A more rigorous examination than the "taken by a Chinese Submarine" tales offered by others. Builds a strong case for Australia's capture by foreign forces (military, intelligence and cultural) during the focus on US ways to control the Indo China region. Drug trafficking, money laundering and arms dealing as a precursor to interference in an allied government."

Australian Author Terry Spring wrote the following

The book seems to be an investigating journalist's work - full of information but not as easy a read as one would imagine. It certainly gives the reader the feeling of the day and how the Australian population was manipulated into thinking Holt drowned but needed more emotional writing to take advantage of the terrible deed.It certainly seems to be a truthful and well-documented story.

This is one of thousands of files I applied to have vetted and released. Paid extra to have them all digitized for free immediate public access on the National archives website.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchN ... 488&isAv=N

Cheers mate

[Simon M]

I must read that book, Paul. It sounds intriguing.

[paulmcleod67]

I must read that book, Paul. It sounds intriguing.

It still astounds me how poor mass media research can be on subject matter that has an ingrained mass opinion.
For example the above folio on Gajic. He actually was connected to the Croatian Revolutionary Brotherhood's Australian cell.

The Australian military were training them here in Australia and backed by US intelligence because
they were anti communist and wanted TITO assassinated.

He actually fired a couple of 22 shells through Holt's Actual office window.
I had his immigration file released and he was ex military ans sponsored for entry by ASIO.

With that in mind take a look at a 2017 article by NAT GEO no less...

http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/hi ... ister.aspx

Relevant paragraph....

"AN ASSASSINATION
Just the previous year, the leader of the Labor opposition Arthur Calwell had survived an assassination attempt by
a student who disagreed with his anti-war stance.

After Holt’s death, the police found what looked like a bullet hole in a window of the Prime Minister’s office,
bolstering the theory that he may have been murdered."

I can tell you this little gem again backed by the few papers posted above, Calwell attempted assassination was committed by Ramond Kokan (may have botched the spelling as I'm just running off memory) He was committed to an insane assylum for twenty years .

By stunning contrast for Nedelko Gajic's confessed assassination attempt evidence backed with ballistics from Holts
office that confirmed the bore rifling, well Gajic had two trials and both were hung juries.
The only charge that stuck was unlicensed "pistol" (sawn off .22 ) he was found guilty and fined...get this $20 dollars.

And put on a plane back to Hungry....he was never heard from again.
Holt died on the 17th of the year that gajic (who got busted in 65) left Australia in 67.

So twenty years versus 20 dollars ?

Also how could Gajic have had enough intel to know where holt's office window was given the security of parliament house in the Vietnam war era and all the unrest that was prolific at the time, including all the Croation bombings in Melbourne?

I have a report that has him firing from an elevated position at night inside the grounds from a tree only meters from Harrys window...when he was inside the office. A sawn off .22 has lousy range and worse accuracy. It stank to high heaven then and it stinks now....Nat Geo were expressing an ingrained opinion based on "What everyone knows".

All it takes is to look in the right places and spend some time and some dollars. Government secrets are almost impossible to keep.

Cheers matey

[hillbilly]

Scarts, the personal trauma is an interesting angle. Good luck with your book.
I have wondered though, when it comes to a group encounter (2 or more persons encountering Yowies), is there added confusion- trauma ? My point is, when ever there is an emergency situation, someone seems to take charge. Now, if that person is an over-reactor, will the other persons involved be affected by that persons perspective ? Will their recollections of fear, panic, near death be enhanced by the leader persons actions ? Some people are like that and in their narcissistic way, they could guide the encounter to become one of fear and loathing.
For example- A boy and girl are at a quiet place and hear some Yowie type noises. They first off listen. Then the girl gets scared, starts crying, then starts screaming, then demands to be taken away, then hitting the boy,
then they run to the car in the dark. Tripping and bumping into trees, they drive in a panic, and so on.
Now that hypothetical story would be different if the girl had not panicked. Hypothetically they may have been killed, but hypothetically it might have been noises from a randy koala.
Obviously there is no way to sciectifically measure the fear-danger factor, but I think it can vary due to the participants perspective and expectations. Resulting in a lifetime of fear.
Just curious. Has anyone ever had Hypnotherapy to re-assess their reactions and the scope of danger that was there.
Would anyone be willing to try?
It is a fact that Hypnotherapy is beneficial to PTSD sufferers. Getting those that have PTSD to admit and seek treatment is the first step. Getting someone to admit that a Yowie gave them PTSD is another. The only result is healing.

[Wolf]

A sawn off .22 has lousy range and worse accuracy.

Not to mention the fact if you were seriously trying to kill somebody you sure as hell would NOT use a .22!

It would take a very precise head shot from very close to do anything other than glance off the skull.

Any link/title for your book?

[Wolf]

... when it comes to a group encounter (2 or more persons encountering Yowies), is there added confusion- trauma ? My point is, when ever there is an emergency situation, someone seems to take charge. Now, if that person is an over-reactor, will the other persons involved be affected by that persons perspective ?
Will their recollections of fear, panic, near death be enhanced by the leader persons actions ?

... most definitely, especially if the other is used to taking guidance from the 'leader'.

For example- A boy and girl are at a quiet place and hear some Yowie type noises. They first off listen. Then the girl gets scared, starts crying, then starts screaming, then demands to be taken away, then hitting the boy, then they run to the car in the dark. Tripping and bumping into trees, they drive in a panic, and so on.

An excellent example, especially if the boy genuinely believes there is something to be scared about as then his fear will 'bleed off' onto the girl, emphasising her own.

I remember once in my youth playing a trick on a girl in my car while parked at a quiet night time spot. All I did was suggest she lock her door as there were rumours of a nut carrying an axe seen in the area. Simply by acting scared myself she quickly got to the point of asking me to leave and at one point I thought she was going to jump out and start running for home when I did not want to leave. Fear is a very powerful emotion. One that feeds on itself and grows all out of proportion VERY easily and quickly.

Has anyone ever had Hypnotherapy to re-assess their reactions and the scope of danger that was there.
Would anyone be willing to try?
It is a fact that Hypnotherapy is beneficial to PTSD sufferers. Getting those that have PTSD to admit and seek treatment is the first step. Getting someone to admit that a Yowie gave them PTSD is another. The only result is healing.

Great care would be needed here. It is very easy for a 'hypnotherapist' to steer the experience (whether consciously or sub-consciously). I have witnessed this many times while watching people relive their UFO abduction encounters. The human mind is VERY easy to manipulate, scarily easy in fact, as evidenced by Darren Brown. And I myself have done it countless times with students and friends (the parked car example above just one example of my youthful experiments with the mind).

[sensesonfire]

hillbilly wrote:
For example- A boy and girl are at a quiet place and hear some Yowie type noises. They first off listen. Then the girl gets scared, starts crying, then starts screaming, then demands to be taken away, then hitting the boy, then they run to the car in the dark. Tripping and bumping into trees, they drive in a panic, and so on.


Wolf wrote: An excellent example, especially if the boy genuinely believes there is something to be scared about as then his fear will 'bleed off' onto the girl, emphasising her own.

I remember once in my youth playing a trick on a girl in my car while parked at a quiet night time spot. All I did was suggest she lock her door as there were rumours of a nut carrying an axe seen in the area. Simply by acting scared myself she quickly got to the point of asking me to leave and at one point I thought she was going to jump out and start running for home when I did not want to leave. Fear is a very powerful emotion. One that feeds on itself and grows all out of proportion VERY easily and quickly.


Wolf, I remember that psycho axe killer story really gained momentum back in the 70's. The story goes that a car broke down and the girl was left in the car with the doors locked while the boyfriend went for help. The boyfriend met a grissly end at the hands of the axe swinging psycho then returned to the car to finish off the girlfriend. This tale gained a life of its own and really became an illusion of truth, it truly had people terrified. I think a movie showing at the time ''Texas Chainsaw Massacre'' didn't help things one bit.

[gregvalentine]

hillbilly wrote:
For example- A boy and girl are at a quiet place and hear some Yowie type noises. They first off listen. Then the girl gets scared, starts crying, then starts screaming, then demands to be taken away, then hitting the boy, then they run to the car in the dark. Tripping and bumping into trees, they drive in a panic, and so on.


Wolf wrote: An excellent example, especially if the boy genuinely believes there is something to be scared about as then his fear will 'bleed off' onto the girl, emphasising her own.

I remember once in my youth playing a trick on a girl in my car while parked at a quiet night time spot. All I did was suggest she lock her door as there were rumours of a nut carrying an axe seen in the area. Simply by acting scared myself she quickly got to the point of asking me to leave and at one point I thought she was going to jump out and start running for home when I did not want to leave. Fear is a very powerful emotion. One that feeds on itself and grows all out of proportion VERY easily and quickly.


Wolf, I remember that psycho axe killer story really gained momentum back in the 70's. The story goes that a car broke down and the girl was left in the car with the doors locked while the boyfriend went for help. The boyfriend met a grissly end at the hands of the axe swinging psycho then returned to the car to finish off the girlfriend. This tale gained a life of its own and really became an illusion of truth, it truly had people terrified. I think a movie showing at the time ''Texas Chainsaw Massacre'' didn't help things one bit.

"The boyfriend met a grizzly end at the hands of the axe swinging psycho, who then returned to the car to finish off the girlfriend."
Grammar and spelling IS important.

[sensesonfire]

hillbilly wrote:
For example- A boy and girl are at a quiet place and hear some Yowie type noises. They first off listen. Then the girl gets scared, starts crying, then starts screaming, then demands to be taken away, then hitting the boy, then they run to the car in the dark. Tripping and bumping into trees, they drive in a panic, and so on.


Wolf wrote: An excellent example, especially if the boy genuinely believes there is something to be scared about as then his fear will 'bleed off' onto the girl, emphasising her own.

I remember once in my youth playing a trick on a girl in my car while parked at a quiet night time spot. All I did was suggest she lock her door as there were rumours of a nut carrying an axe seen in the area. Simply by acting scared myself she quickly got to the point of asking me to leave and at one point I thought she was going to jump out and start running for home when I did not want to leave. Fear is a very powerful emotion. One that feeds on itself and grows all out of proportion VERY easily and quickly.


Wolf, I remember that psycho axe killer story really gained momentum back in the 70's. The story goes that a car broke down and the girl was left in the car with the doors locked while the boyfriend went for help. The boyfriend met a grissly end at the hands of the axe swinging psycho then returned to the car to finish off the girlfriend. This tale gained a life of its own and really became an illusion of truth, it truly had people terrified. I think a movie showing at the time ''Texas Chainsaw Massacre'' didn't help things one bit.

"The boyfriend met a grizzly end at the hands of the axe swinging psycho, who then returned to the car to finish off the girlfriend."
Grammar and spelling IS important.

Not using your pseudonym today Wayne Kerr.

[sensesonfire]

I'm retracting this comment ''Not using your pseudonym today Wayne Kerr'' because I confess it is rather childish.

What I will say, Mr Valentine that contrary to what you may believe being pedantic over two words does not generate a great deal of interest so try posting a story in the author's section that can initiate the same amount of discussion that mine has otherwise insignificance may overpower you.

[Tuckeroo]

I'm retracting this comment ''Not using your pseudonym today Wayne Kerr'' because I confess it is rather childish.

What I will say, Mr Valentine that contrary to what you may believe being pedantic over two words does not generate a great deal of interest so try posting a story in the author's section that can initiate the same amount of discussion that mine has otherwise insignificance may overpower you.

That's one hell of a sentence there Senses, well done.

T.

[gregvalentine]

I'm retracting this comment ''Not using your pseudonym today Wayne Kerr'' because I confess it is rather childish.

What I will say, Mr Valentine that contrary to what you may believe being pedantic over two words does not generate a great deal of interest so try posting a story in the author's section that can initiate the same amount of discussion that mine has otherwise insignificance may overpower you.

That's one hell of a sentence there Senses, well done.

T.

It seems to have generated SOME interest and ruffled a few feathers that I dare say needed ruffling.

All the best,
Wayne (whoever he is).

[Wolf]

I'm retracting this comment ''Not using your pseudonym today Wayne Kerr'' because I confess it is rather childish.

What I will say, Mr Valentine that contrary to what you may believe being pedantic over two words does not generate a great deal of interest so try posting a story in the author's section that can initiate the same amount of discussion that mine has otherwise insignificance may overpower you.

That's one hell of a sentence there Senses, well done.

T.

It seems to have generated SOME interest and ruffled a few feathers that I dare say needed ruffling.

All the best,
Wayne (whoever he is).

Hey, I went to school with a Wayne Kerr... ah no, that's right, his name was Kenneth, we just called him Wayne....