Orange lights over Yamba

[Tuckeroo]

Last Thursday night (18.07.19) I was startled to hear RAAF jets flying overhead not far from Yamba.
It was just after dark at the mouth of the Clarence river between Iluka and Yamba.
It is not unusual to hear military aircraft as a RAAF bombing range is about 12 k’s to the north of here.

What surprised me was how low two of them were flying; from west to east down the river towards the sea.
After they passed another one flying a bit higher and faster came from the south heading north.
I waited for a while enjoying the stars and then turned to go back inside thinking that was interesting
when a fourth jet travelling west to east past over.

At first I thought it may have been one of the earlier three circling back around but I could see it was much larger
by its lights and sounded like a commercial jet, heading in a direction and at a height that a commercial jet
wouldn’t do around here.
I thought it was all very peculiar but just thought it was the RAAF doing their exercises, straying a bit south
of their area. The whole time I was outside you could hear the deep din of military jets far off in the distance.

Then today I saw page two of the Clarence Valley Independent (A Yamba based newspaper) reporting that
residents had seen strange orange lights over the town and unusual RAAF jet activity last Thursday night.

One witness reported stationary bright orange lights over a building, that suddenly disappeared and reappeared
in a different location. Another witness just out of town said their dog was ‘going off’ barking at these orange
lights. They could see three lights together and a larger one by itself much brighter.
The larger one; ‘as we were watching the big one it exploded into like embers. It was like poof and then nothing’.

Other witnesses were amazed at the aircraft activity ‘two RAAF jets roared overhead heading east, with one
banking and heading north. Over a period of 10 minutes other jets had joined in and I have never seen anything
like this before - except maybe in the movies. The jets were going in every direction; it looked like they were
scrambled with some circling and others criss-crossing the sky in every direction’.

The Independent news contacted the Defence Force Media and was told any activity is part of exercise
TALISMAN SABRE conducted in the Temporary Restricted Zone, a large portion of the NSW far north coastline.
The RAAF suggested any unusual lights that were observed were probably from fast moving aircraft.
The DFM spokesperson suggested the paper put out a call for anyone with any media of the event.

I’m aware I’m quoting a newspaper story so I hope they have their facts right about what people actually say.

I was looking for any indication that the jets appeared not long after the lights. I noticed in the story,
after quoting a couple who were shopping and saw the lights, that they had driven to another part of town
and heard the jets. The journalist doesn’t say, then they left or later on.

The journalist; the way it is written doesn’t say how long between their shopping and seeing the jets was.
These are the only witnesses the newspaper quotes that spoke about the lights as well as the jets.
It could be half an hour or two hours for all we know.
In the story it sounds like orange lights were seen then not long after scrambling jets appeared like ‘in a movie’.

I’m wondering whether the lights were before or after the jets. I know that when I first heard the jets and
went outside there was a bit of twilight left in the western sky, which at this time of year
would have been 5.20 - 5.30. The couple shopping said they first saw the lights at ‘around’ 5.50 pm.

Who knows what is going on with those lights. Is it a coincidence that strange orange lights appear
the same night as military aircraft do. Could the RAAF produce these lights for jets to pin-point
and to go into attack mode - over a sleepy coastal village, scaring the daylights out of everyone.

T.


https://www.clarencevalleynews.com.au/u ... community/

[Searcher]

Good report, Tuckeroo. Seems like those Air Force jets were chasing something up in the sky. Probably those orange lights.

Reminds me of my one good UFO sighting. It was further north up in Dalby, Qld and it involved… wait for it… two orange lights!

It was early in January 2011, about the time of the great floods in Queensland. It was around 8 pm and I was standing out the front of a local motel talking with a friend. Suddenly I noticed two oval orange lights coming towards us in the sky at around 45 degrees of elevation. They were about the size of a 1 dollar coin at arms length and were flying fast in a staggered formation. Both were moving at the speed you would expect from an F 18 but in complete silence. There was absolutely no sound at all!

Total viewing time was about 4 to 5 seconds before they flew into a some thick cloud and disappeared. The good news was my friend saw them too, so at least I had a witness! They were clearly two UFOs... unidentified flying objects.

[bassplyr]

Interesting Searcher were the orange lights flying to the south or east of Dalby?

[Searcher]

They were on the east side of Dalby, travelling in a south westerly direction. If I had to estimate their height, I would say around 7,000 feet as the cloud bank they entered was of the Cumulous type. They were not high in the sky.

[bassplyr]

Makes total sense and exactly what i thought. I hate to do this to you guys but there's a more down to earth explanation. Consider the orange lights are not there for the jets to chase.

[Searcher]

So bassplyr, what is your explanation for what I saw in 2011 and what the people around Yamba saw last week?

I look forward to seeing it!

[Tuckeroo]

So bassplyr, what is your explanation for what I saw in 2011 and what the people around Yamba saw last week?

I look forward to seeing it!

Hi Searcher, that’s interesting the lights you saw at Dalby.
Just two together and an orange colour.
As in the Yamba lights a witness described two together and an orange colour.

You described the lights you saw as being 7000 ft. in the sky, whereas the Yamba witness states
the lights they saw were ‘slightly above a two story building across the road’.
Could the Yamba witnesses be looking at lights that are a lot further away than what they think.
As in staring up the backside of a departing F18.

Maybe this is the type of thing that bassplyr is alluding to. He seems knowledgeable and happy
with himself that he guessed right regarding where the Dalby lights were headed to,
and his assumption that we believed the lights at Yamba were there for jets to chase.

I too would like to know what the ‘down to earth explanation’ is.


T.

[bassplyr]

These lights can be much further away than you think as they can be quite bright at times. They arent the rear of f-18s. Although im willing to bet there were some sort of RAAF assets in the area the time searcher saw them that went unnoticed.

[bassplyr]

Not to say that they weren't close by too. Cause thats also a possibility.

[bassplyr]

Its safe to say that something was growling and prowling during searchers sighting.

[Searcher]

Hi Tuckeroo,
That orange lights sighting is still very fresh in my mind. It’s like it happened yesterday. There is zero chance my encounter was the back end of a departing F- 18. The orange lights were clearly coming towards us and were oval or disc shaped. They were at about 45 degrees when we first saw them and they finished up almost overhead before they both disappeared into thick cloud. So the distance was not hard to estimate.

As mentioned before, there was no sound at all, so that completely rules out noisy jets. The complete silence on a calm evening was one of the most impressive parts of the sighting. If you’ve ever stood underneath fighter jets at air shows or the Grand Prix, you’ll know exactly what I mean!

As a matter of interest, my close friend and other witness had a reputation as the most prominent person in Australia in his particular field of aviation. He would most certainly have known a jet if he saw one!

As for bassplyr’s glib remark about the two orange lights being “RAAF assets”, that’s just pure speculative nonsense and disrespectful to my observational abilities. Come on, mate. Please try a bit harder. I’d expect you to come up with a more plausible explanation for my UFO sighting! Do I hear ‘swamp gas’ anyone?

I always say “keep an eye on the sky”. If you don’t look, you won’t see. In the above case, it certainly worked. They could easily have gone un-noticed overhead.

[Yowie bait]

Ive seen orange/yellowish lights or orbs three times this year. One was only 50 metres or so away and maybe 20 metres in the air.
It was stationary when i noticed it then traveled downward on an angle maybe 5 metres and kind of dissipated or exploded with no noise. Another moved out from behind a tree then disapeared another night.

The third one was much higher and i watched it travel above me and thinking it would soon be obscured by the roof of my carport but before that it disapeared and almost immediately a jet came flying through in the same path the light was and flew right through where it was last seen.

The other thing i saw was very high in the sky. It appeared and was still for a few seconds, traveled upwards on an angle, disappeared and then appeared again above where it last was and then disapeared again. White light..

I have no idea what they were but the closer stationery one seemed to react to me seeing it.

Im not claiming they are spacemen or craft but certainly very odd and one with jet flying through sounds similar to whats being disscussed here otherwise i wouldn’t bother even mentioning it.

Saw another huge light on sat night too but im in the flight path of Archefield airfield so dont pay too much attention to lights in the sky.

[Dion]

There was a spate of Orange light seen in the skies of East Victoria in the 90's which I was witness to on a few occasions, one at close range.

I can attest that they were not normal aircraft, they flew silently, I have added a few quotes by John Keel, thats all I have to say.

The UFOs do not seem to exist as tangible, manufactured objects. They do not conform to the accepted natural laws of our environment. They seem to be nothing more than transmogrifications tailoring themselves to our ability to understand. The thousands of contacts with the entities indicates that they are liars and put-on artists, the UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon.

John A. Keel

I abandoned the extraterrestria l hypothesis in 1967 when my own field investigations disclosed an astonishing overlap between psychic phenomena and UFOs ... The objects and apparitions do not necessarily originate on another planet and may not even exist as permanent constructions of matter. It is more likely that we see what we want to see and interpret such visions according to our contemporary beliefs.

John A. Keel

The Old Testament is a chronicle of horrors, describing an egocentric collection of supernatural beings who were always doing rotten things to gentle souls like Job

John A. Keel

[bassplyr]

Hey yowiebait,

The jet that flew through just after the orange. Was it an f-18 by chance?

[Yowie bait]

Hi Bassplayer. I wish i could say but i dont know enough about jets to identify what type. It was a jet though and not one of the noisy planes that fly around here.



The light disappeared and a few seconds later a jet flew straight through where it was!

[bassplyr]

Fair enough. Interesting to note that there was the presence of a jet. In some cases the jets or whatever asset is not so easy to detect.

[Yowie bait]

Fair enough. Interesting to note that there was the presence of a jet. In some cases the jets or whatever asset is not so easy to detect.

Well i doubt it was a military jet around here. Looked to me like one of the little jets that fly around here in a huge circle.

I will have to assume after seeing Searchers and Tuckeroos yamba report that it was something sinister i witnessed.

[sensesonfire]

Hey Dion I like your John A Keel quotes especially the first one. Keel used the term "ultraterrestrials" to describe UFO occupants he believed to be non-human entities capable of taking on whatever form they want.

So many people have seen these lights but what do they disclose nothing per usual. At least the green orbs in the US have unveiled Bigfoot descending from them. These lights could very well be orbs such as the red orbs Yowie bait witnessed in the Piliga and a form of ultraterrestrial transportation.

[M-glass]

Re: Keel and also Vallee: both respected within the field and both wrote that UFOs were tricksters able to appear in innumerable forms before humans (bearing in mind the limited perception of humans). But Vallee is now agreeing there's a nuts and bolts aspect to UFOs, i.e., tangible aspects. When I queried this online, the response was to say that Vallee never did say the UFOs were always non-tangible. And it seems to be similar with Yowies/Bigfoot and their ilk as in, yes, they can appear and disappear at will and are able to manifest materially. As result, there are believers in flesh and blood Yowies, just as others believe the creatures are merely a form of projection without material substance

which should raise the question: are the jets and other earth-made planes witnessed in connection with UFOs just another form of UFO?

[sensesonfire]

Hi M-glass, I agree with the analysis of a tangible and non-tangible aspect to UFO's an identical hypothesis to the physical/paranormal aspect of the Yowie /Bigfoot.

[M-glass]

Sensesonfire … I used to drive a white, honda integra. White's supposed to be a safe, visible colour. Can't count the number of times other drivers behaved as if that car was invisible. On two occasions they smashed into me and each time the other drivers claimed they hadn't seen me there. They seemed genuine. It's not as if I sneaked up on them or appeared from around a corner. They let other cars go past but when it came to me, they drove into me as did a bike rider. I had the green. Other cars in front of me and cars behind. Daylight. On at least two occasions I had a passenger. And witnesses. Could be coincidence. Led me to pondering the 'see me .. now I'm gone' antics of Yowies and UFOs and wondered if humans have the same abilities albeit unaware. For example, while we're asleep -- do we manifest in other dimensions causing confusion to their inhabitants, only to vanish before their eyes as we're pulled back into our sleeping bodies?

[bassplyr]

I think humans make, in general, bad observers. Our eyes are easily hacked and deceived. Just look at the common situation of a mountain goat being on a hill and they escape detection all the time even though there's dozens of them and in plain sight. Their secret is they stand perfectly still and their coats blend in. The result is nobody can hardly see them unless they're really looking hard. But goats arent paranormal in any way. Its likely that sasquatch are not paranormal in any way either. They just understand the dynamics of how other animals detect things and have great bush craft making them very elusive. Often something as simple as not making eye contact is all it takes for other people to not be noticed by other people. Humans are bad observers in these circumstances. Great deductive thinkers but crappy senses.

[AL Pitman]

My sentiments exactly Bassplayr.
At last a rational thought that doesn’t require consignment to the airy fairy section of the site .

[sensesonfire]

Everybody is such an expert in telling us what Bigfoot/Yowies are capable of but the big failure is to enlighten us of what they actually are and where they came from. Until such time this is solved everything else is conjecture.

[M-glass]

I think humans make, in general, bad observers. Our eyes are easily hacked and deceived. Just look at the common situation of a mountain goat being on a hill and they escape detection all the time even though there's dozens of them and in plain sight. Their secret is they stand perfectly still and their coats blend in. The result is nobody can hardly see them unless they're really looking hard. But goats arent paranormal in any way. Its likely that sasquatch are not paranormal in any way either. They just understand the dynamics of how other animals detect things and have great bush craft making them very elusive. Often something as simple as not making eye contact is all it takes for other people to not be noticed by other people. Humans are bad observers in these circumstances. Great deductive thinkers but crappy senses.

'our eyes are easily hacked and deceived'

We're able to see and hear less than one percent of everything that exists around us, according to science. We're blind

Re: goats. If you were goat-hunting, you'd most likely wear night vision glasses or similar, or binoculars. Or heat-reflecting. You'd see them then. If you were an experienced goat-hunter, you'd know where and how to look and you'd see them with the naked eye. No suggestion that goats are paranormal, unless you looked up from your book in your living room on the 29th floor of a mid-city apartment block to see a goat trying to blend with the wallpaper

In many yowie reports the yowie wasn't making much attempt to escape human observation. It was standing at a roadside or crossing a road, walking down a road or emerging from trees near one or more humans. Others peered into homes or were seen/heard in a backyard, etc. In many reports, there would have been only that one human witness within a dozen square kilometres, but whoops, the yowie just happened to stumble across them. Yet yowies are believed, apparently, to have superb senses honed over tens/hundreds of thousands of years and are also believed to carefully avoid humans

In rural areas lacking street lights you can see a car's headlights from afar and in the space of a few seconds you can assess if they're approaching or receding. Yet how many times in Yowie Hunters YouTube interviews do we hear of the yowie standing by the side of the road when if you or I were the yowie and intent on not being seen, we'd drop to the ground or take cover behind vegetation until the vehicle had passed. But no, the yowie dashes headlong across the road and is picked up in the car's headlights or it simply stands there in full view of the passing motorist despite there might not be another vehicle going that way in the next half hour. In historic accounts, yowies barged into the camp. And again in one of the Yowie Hunters YouTube interviews, a young guy was driving down a track in the Blue Mountains only to be surrounded by three or more yowies who gave his vehicle more than a casual once-over

In the Yowie Hunters YouTube Jamieson Valley account, a gigantic yowie stuck with the soldiers for several days. The ex-soldier retelling the experience claimed the yowie was as tall as himself (6 feet 4 inches) plus the addition of a rifle with bayonet attached, which would make the creature eight to nine feet tall. The soldier said the yowie was fit and strong, but science tells us the human body cannot support itself at such heights and the yowie is built along the same lines as a human. The soldier described the yowie's demeanour as 'like a big kid' but also as sly and likely prone to dangerous mood swings. The yowie initiated contact with the soldiers

Bill O'Chee's account involved a yowie which chose to make its presence known, not once but twice at least, witnessed by several students and masters, when it could just as easily remained unseen. And in another Yowie Hunters YouTube account, when a woman and her children were camping, several yowies engaged in what she suspected might be some sort of ritual close by her tent. Yet the yowies with their superior senses didn't notice her vehicle or campsite at any point prior or during their horseplay? The yowie didn't hear the teenage girl approaching on her horse? The small yowie didn't hear the party of young people approaching on their horses? The yowie that ran parallel to the young man who was on his nightly run on Mount Tamborine? The yowie who remained at the end of the bridge didn't see her vehicle lights as she made her way towards and then over the bridge .. it had no opportunity to conceal itself and instead remained there in full view?

either we credit goats with having superior fade-into-the-wallpaper instincts, or we're compelled to accept yowies are enjoying their notoriety. Or .. maybe yowies are confident that they're impervious to any dangers humans might hold for them -- any humans, including those who might have a rocket launcher cocked and ready. Humans are unpredictable and a yowie carcass could be worth big money. But yowies continue to stand there and present themselves for observation … except when people like Rusty devote untold hours, sweat and effort to capturing clear evidence of their existence

The jury's going to be empanelled for years to come before the paranormal yowie can conclusively be ' consigned to the airy fairy section of the site '

and does anyone have an opinion about the planes seen emerging from the position held moments earlier by the 'lights' seen in the sky? Might they not be those same lights posing as planes?

[bassplyr]

Well i think yowies displaying and therefore most likely to be hominid behaviour are just stuffing up when they get caught. They probably have curiosity drawing them closer to human settlement and goof up. Other times they're probably distracted and caught flat footed. Happens to the best. Why not yowie. No evidence they're paranormal.

Superb senses. Look at humans our species is bar none the most spectacularly intelligent animals to have ever walked the face of the earth....and yet we can be pretty naive and flat out dumb at any given moment. I'll give the yowie a pass for occasionally getting seen.

As for the orange lights. They're not paranormal either. But you could say they're "imitating" aircraft in a way.

[Yowie bait]

Hey Dion I like your John A Keel quotes especially the first one. Keel used the term "ultraterrestrials" to describe UFO occupants he believed to be non-human entities capable of taking on whatever form they want.

So many people have seen these lights but what do they disclose nothing per usual. At least the green orbs in the US have unveiled Bigfoot descending from them. These lights could very well be orbs such as the red orbs Yowie bait witnessed in the Piliga and a form of ultraterrestrial transportation.

Hi Senses, they were yellowish/orange orbs we saw.Someone else saw the red ones.

[Yowie bait]

My sentiments exactly Bassplayr.
At last a rational thought that doesn’t require consignment to the airy fairy section of the site .

Well how do we research and provide evidence of the paranormal? The f&b researchers are the first to admit that they have no evidence worth presenting to science.

[sensesonfire]

bassplyr wrote: No evidence they're paranormal.

Plenty of evidence witnessed by field researchers suggesting paranormal behaviour probably more so than suggesting they are flesh and blood. How do we know they are F&B? we've never captured one to find out.

[sensesonfire]

Hey Dion I like your John A Keel quotes especially the first one. Keel used the term "ultraterrestrials" to describe UFO occupants he believed to be non-human entities capable of taking on whatever form they want.

So many people have seen these lights but what do they disclose nothing per usual. At least the green orbs in the US have unveiled Bigfoot descending from them. These lights could very well be orbs such as the red orbs Yowie bait witnessed in the Piliga and a form of ultraterrestrial transportation.

Hi Senses, they were yellowish/orange orbs we saw.Someone else saw the red ones.

Sorry Yowie bait my colour coordinates were a little askew. But I believe whether they are yellow, orange or red they are all interactive.