OK, what do you think a yowie is?

[Titla]

This is probably a good time to remind you of your own words Rusty, “opinions are not facts”. Ironic how easily opinions can turn into facts when the opinions happen to be your own.


Rusty wrote: “The question was, “what do you think a yowie is”, no one asked for your opinion about what you believe they can or cannot do.”.”

Think: have a particular idea or belief

I’ve also got the definition for cognitive dissonance if you want it

Rusty wrote: “Yet you carry on like you’ve won the Nobel prize and are giving a lecture to inform us of your vast knowledge of them…”

Is that a fact, because it sounds a hell of a lot like an opinion to me. I’ve already stated a couple of times I don’t know for sure what they are, and what you’ve interpreted as me informing you of my vast knowledge was me expressing amazement at yowies.


Rusty wrote: “This is NOT youtube and anyone spewing facts without evidence will be questioned.”

I have no problem with this at all and have never mentioned having a problem being questioned on any opinions presented. In fact I welcome it. However as it stands you're not engaged in questioning the "facts", instead you're throwing a tantrum at the very idea that opinions have been presented in the first place.


Here is the list of the apparently outrageous “facts” you picked out of my post, "facts" you've claimed shouldn’t be stated as they “can’t be proven” or there’s no evidence for them:

Opposable thumb
Incredible night vision
Live cooperatively in troops
Eyes shine and can see clearly in near zero light
Run as fast as a cat
Agile as a cougar
8 metre standing long jump
Communicate in language
Are people no animal
Twice the strength of a gorilla

May as well shut the whole forum down if this is the standard for what can or cannot be said.


Rusty wrote: “Would you like a box of tissues ?”

The refrain either of bully or troll.

[Rusty2]

True they are not facts but if we are going to stick to the scientific factual evidence we'll be here till the cows come home waiting.

I understand that but also understand that screaming at the sky won't help us either . Someone has to do something to prove it or we'll all be here when we're 70 still screaming at the sky . Do you understand that ?

don't you think it's time you broadened your outlook to take in the strong possibility that these creatures are way more than flesh and blood.

Senses , I've seen the weird for myself and am well aware that something very odd is going on in the forest but shouldn't we be trying to get the yowie recognised first ? If we can do that then we can move to step 2 .

The only people who will verify the yowie are the scientists , there's no escaping it . It's them that we need to convince with our evidence .

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My apologies Titla , that was a little harsh .
Here's the truth . AYR is a credible website and we'd like to keep it that way . We have credible witnesses and researchers out in the field working hard to collect evidence which is extremely scarce . Generally we all get along and although there are differences in opinion , we can accept that each member has a different idea about the subject .

The most disruptive and devisive people on here are the bullshitters . Our last bullshitter managed to rack up about 20 claims without evidence .
When questioned at the end , there was a huge storm . He was exposed as a hoaxer , It divided the community and innocent people were burnt . This is the second time it's happened . We'd like to try and avoid any controversial opinions or claims .

Please post any controversial ideas in the controversial section . Claims without evidence aren't very popular around here and just divide the community .

[adventurer]

Hi Senses and Titla, I understand where you are coming from. It gets so frustrating telling people what we think, even though more and more are on our side. We, as well as Rusty have seen very unusual things happen with them. Everyone knows where we stand on this subject. You were just answering the forums question"what do you think a yowie is" BUT no use arguing with others, as they have there opinions. I know there not just flesh and blood, but Rusty is right, we do need evidence of something--getting facts.
But i would like to ask you Rusty ( as you have always been a huge support to us all. )You said quote "Senses , I've seen the weird for myself and am well aware that something very odd is going on in the forest but shouldn't we be trying to get the yowie recognised first ? If we can do that then we can move to step 2 .

Through any evidence we have not managed in years to get the yowie recognised. What "IF "we concentrate on what the yowie can "do" as in dissapear, shapeshift,mumble,lightning speed, ect,ect,ect... we may help us in working out what the yowie is? So step 2 first, then step 1????

To me we have more evidence on the paranormal then we do in flesh and blood, how many people now have videod lightning type lights running up/ across trees, videos of predator type state, recordings of heavy weight running at speed with no sighting, 100's of them. Now compare that to the very few REAL videos of the actual photo of a yowie out there. I have to say too that it doesnt even matter if we find say hair strands. Because when we send it away, we dont even get it back. So to me whats the sense looking for the evidence.
Thanks Dee

[Rusty2]

What "IF "we concentrate on what the yowie can "do" as in dissapear, shapeshift,mumble,lightning speed, ect,ect,ect... we may help us in working out what the yowie is? So step 2 first, then step 1????

Go for it , someone do something ! I did have a go at it for 3 or 4 weeks with sensitive electronics but there was no evidence . I assume the strange stuff is only happening when humans are present .

https://youtu.be/IIlk-8_V3CQ?t=46

I did however collect unknown lights which seemed to be emanating from a granite outcrop .

https://youtu.be/IIlk-8_V3CQ?t=506

[adventurer]

Hi Rusty, that is my next step. I have finally purchased all paranormal equipment including full spectrum 4k pov cam, and intend using it on every outing i do. IF something shows up or even there language gets recorded on the ghost box would be awesome.All i know is all the expense on my body cams and bush cams show nothing, they seem to know and distract the people wearing them. If they are paranormal, the paranormal devices should work. If someone--anyone can get a 12 foot large figure on the pov cam it may be a game changer. It is so hard to prove they are standing next to you sight unseen so i prey this will show their other side. Dee

[sensesonfire]

Hi Senses and Titla, I understand where you are coming from. It gets so frustrating telling people what we think, even though more and more are on our side. We, as well as Rusty have seen very unusual things happen with them. Everyone knows where we stand on this subject. You were just answering the forums question"what do you think a yowie is" BUT no use arguing with others, as they have there opinions. I know there not just flesh and blood, but Rusty is right, we do need evidence of something--getting facts.
But i would like to ask you Rusty ( as you have always been a huge support to us all. )You said quote "Senses , I've seen the weird for myself and am well aware that something very odd is going on in the forest but shouldn't we be trying to get the yowie recognised first ? If we can do that then we can move to step 2 .

Through any evidence we have not managed in years to get the yowie recognised. What "IF "we concentrate on what the yowie can "do" as in dissapear, shapeshift,mumble,lightning speed, ect,ect,ect... we may help us in working out what the yowie is? So step 2 first, then step 1????

To me we have more evidence on the paranormal then we do in flesh and blood, how many people now have videod lightning type lights running up/ across trees, videos of predator type state, recordings of heavy weight running at speed with no sighting, 100's of them. Now compare that to the very few REAL videos of the actual photo of a yowie out there. I have to say too that it doesnt even matter if we find say hair strands. Because when we send it away, we dont even get it back. So to me whats the sense looking for the evidence.
Thanks Dee

Hi Dee, Just a few words I've underlined I've read posts from Wellymon where he believed he witnessed a Yowie travelling at virtually the speed of light but if you raise a comment like with the F&B camp it falls on deaf ears or there is nothing supernatural about it it's something we just can't understand can you believe it? what a cop-out.

You are right we do have more research on the paranormal/supernatural than we do on the physical flesh and blood Yowie/Bigfoot. I'm excluding Dogman because if they can't get their head around the para Yowie they've got no chance with Dogman and I do believe without sounding boastful that I do know what this creature is from start to finish.

This lack of flesh and blood information is evident in this very forum with many of the F&B field researcher comments having virtually dried up and guess why because they have come to the end of the line with no further back-up evidence to verify their claims hence the silence.

Waiting for scientists to verify what a Yowie/Bigfoot/Dogman is to them incompatible with reality. Unfortunately a total exercise in futility no matter how much information you want to throw at them definitely a case of the none so blind.

Cheers.

[sensesonfire]

Hi Rusty, that is my next step. I have finally purchased all paranormal equipment including full spectrum 4k pov cam, and intend using it on every outing i do. IF something shows up or even there language gets recorded on the ghost box would be awesome.All i know is all the expense on my body cams and bush cams show nothing, they seem to know and distract the people wearing them. If they are paranormal, the paranormal devices should work. If someone--anyone can get a 12 foot large figure on the pov cam it may be a game changer. It is so hard to prove they are standing next to you sight unseen so i prey this will show their other side. Dee

Hope your paranormal equipment will come up with something adventurer but these Yowies like Bigfoot seem to control every aspect that prevents them from being filmed maybe the ghost box will come up with something. Far more chance of recording and videotaping supernatural ghost activity than getting anything on these creatures but good luck.

[ripperton]

'Titla Let your fact-only sheer intuition/personal experiences have some warm milk and a big lie down, it’s been working serious overtime and is getting nose bleeds.

Titla The refrain either of bully or troll.

You really need to calm down Titla. This abuse slinging is really not what we are used here.
Ive reported your attitude to Dean Harrison but hes not responding right now.
If you need to keep up these blowhard antics we will do out best to vote you off the forum.

[adventurer]

Hi Senses, i do have to say "it sounded out of this world" when i very first heard Welly tell his stories i thought WTF--crazy. If i didnt see this paranormal stuff and get touched twice for myself, i wouldnt have believed it all.I would have been in the F&B camp. I know how frustrating it is, but as iv said all along, it has to happen to them for them to BELIEVE. Or for them to open there minds just ONCE to say"What If". Welly in the end was up in arms, i still get to chat to him occasionally.

A friend of mine, Anna was on a static job site on a mountain at a energex substation. She called me and said she saw down the valley white floating figures all around the powerlines. She said she saw a dark figure, she said it looked like it was walking on the tree tops. She said if she had to describe the walk, it was just like JOHNNY WALKER on the alcohol bottle. She then saw spots of lights going up and down the hills for hours. She asked me if they would come near her, she started to panic out there on her own. I said no, she was keeping in 1 spot and not interfering with them. It was a jobsite with no k9. But i believe her.Iv known her for years.

I have to try the paranormal gear to know for myself, if it works, it works, if it doesnt, it doesnt. They aint stupid, if they want me to use it theyl come forward.Dee

[adventurer]

Sorry Bluedog, kind of went . Maybe dont ask that question again lol. You didnt want any arguments--hope it ends well.

[Titla]

My apologies Titla , that was a little harsh .
Here's the truth . AYR is a credible website and we'd like to keep it that way . We have credible witnesses and researchers out in the field working hard to collect evidence which is extremely scarce . Generally we all get along and although there are differences in opinion , we can accept that each member has a different idea about the subject .

The most disruptive and devisive people on here are the bullshitters . Our last bullshitter managed to rack up about 20 claims without evidence .
When questioned at the end , there was a huge storm . He was exposed as a hoaxer , It divided the community and innocent people were burnt . This is the second time it's happened . We'd like to try and avoid any controversial opinions or claims .

Please post any controversial ideas in the controversial section . Claims without evidence aren't very popular around here and just divide the community .

I get it and in turn apologize for my loose words. I can see the sense in having this section and a Conjecture section, I am reminded to be as mindful of the difference between sections, keep this one stricter while keeping all the looser posting to the Conjecture section. What I don't get as much is why members feel the impulse to adopt a holier-than-though patronizing or belittling attitude towards other members, in particular newer members, for making system errors or oversights.

Most of us here have our skills in this world and at the end of the day are equal adults who should know how to educate and help one another without power tripping. I believe there's even a rule about treating members politely. This type of thing is too regular, on the Australian forum no less.

[Wolf]

Well, that was certainly entertaining... [INSERT ROLLING SARCASTIC EYE EMOTICON HERE]

Back on topic...
... Personally I see them as nothing more than animals, exactly like humans are likewise, nothing more than animals... (despite their collective egos demanding otherwise). DISCLAIMER: the following is 100% pure speculation on my part...

What we today call Yowie, or Sasquatch, or Yeren, etc etc, are the current time's combination of many varieties of walking, talking apes sitting on the branch of evolution we see as primate. We all share a common ancestor, an early form of H. erectus perhaps? ... or Australopithecines?

The below tale best expresses the moment (and cause) of this divergence:

https://www.sasquatchstories.com/the-se ... e-differen

[Black]

This is why the bigfoot community is so divisive. With all the threads and posts in this and other bigfoot forums, you will not find a single definitive answer to this one little tiny, yet giant massive question.

I think, we could all comfortably agree a yowie is more than a myth, and at the very least an "autonomous consciousness." Plenty of reports suggest the yowie reacts to human presence and sometimes thoughts, has it's own agenda, and can communicate with humans.

I think, we all could also agree this autonomous consciousness is linked intrinsically to natural environments. This is because there are no yowie reports from inner city central business districts. Some reports are on the edge of, or between towns, on roads and near houses, but the majority are in isolated natural environments, especially where water is present.

I think, we all could also agree how a yowie is experienced, and why a yowie is experienced, is what is still open to conjecture, and likely will be for a long time yet.

I think we can also all agree that the yowie fires up our imaginations and is fun, whether we actively try to understand more about it, just enjoy marveling at the stories, or are inspired by yowie stories to create interesting works of fiction of our own.

I think there is more for us all to agree on than disagree on.

[Titla]

This is why the bigfoot community is so divisive. With all the threads and posts in this and other bigfoot forums, you will not find a single definitive answer to this one little tiny, yet giant massive question.

I think, we could all comfortably agree a yowie is more than a myth, and at the very least an "autonomous consciousness." Plenty of reports suggest the yowie reacts to human presence and sometimes thoughts, has it's own agenda, and can communicate with humans.

I think, we all could also agree this autonomous consciousness is linked intrinsically to natural environments. This is because there are no yowie reports from inner city central business districts. Some reports are on the edge of, or between towns, on roads and near houses, but the majority are in isolated natural environments, especially where water is present.

I think, we all could also agree how a yowie is experienced, and why a yowie is experienced, is what is still open to conjecture, and likely will be for a long time yet.

I think we can also all agree that the yowie fires up our imaginations and is fun, whether we actively try to understand more about it, just enjoy marveling at the stories, or are inspired by yowie stories to create interesting works of fiction of our own.

I think there is more for us all to agree on than disagree on.

I agree that those who acknowledge the existence of the yowie have more to agree on than disagree on, although I don’t think conflict occurs between believers just because there minor differences in opinion between believers, but due to character flaws or competition between believers.

For example, jealously protecting a research status within the community, more focused on differences because they can be used as excuses to engage in conflict, feeling upset by different opinions (particularly convictions) due to fears their opinion might be wrong, or ego being confronted when hearing claims they may not have heard before or personally haven’t heard evidence for.

When these things happen bullshitting or trolling happens as the priority isn’t truth alone but to degrade the other with truth or lies. A believer and non-believer can have a yowie or bigfoot conversation without any conflict and the difference there is much greater than differences between believers. Incredible how that works.

[Austral]

What has happened here is the post should be in the conjecture forum.

We’re on the wrong part of the forum. Thanks for letting us know Austral, didn’t even need a dictionary quote to understand it.

Hey, I’m Austral. Not him.

[Titla]

What has happened here is the post should be in the conjecture forum.

We’re on the wrong part of the forum. Thanks for letting us know Austral, didn’t even need a dictionary quote to understand it.

Hey, I’m Austral. Not him.

My apologies for that Austral

[Black]

Allow me to clarify my last post:

At the very least, I think we can all agree, the yowie is more than a myth, and is a fascinating human experience reserved for natural environments, indistinguishable from our normal waking human experience, where the yowie presents as an autonomous consciousness.

We don't yet understand how it works, thus we continue to research.......

[Tonyk777]

I think it reasonable to consider they are a primate. Behaviours recorded are similar.
Im not convinced that they operate with supernatural qualities. Rather they are masters of the natural environment and habitat. Something we have lost?

I thought this review of primates responding to novel objects (trail cameras) might shed some light on why they are hard to capture. Happy to be wrong on all counts

Game Cameras, And The Bigfoot Implications"Great Apes," on YouTube

https://youtu.be/B-CS4tUVlvw

[CuriousCat]

Hi,

I want to thank you for sharing the YouTube link. It was a great video. Very thought provoking.
I love science.

Cheers
Curious Cat

[bushyankee]

I tend to agree with AL in that I believe they are survivors from a long time ago.
I don't know that they have remained concealed because we humans are ignorant, rather than we have different habits, needs and biology.
Humans tend to live in communities, are active during the day and don't have infra-red vision.
It is generally accepted that bigfoot/yowies/sasquatch live in family groups (at most), are more active at night and have very good night vision (infra-red)...evidence of the latter is their ability to avoid IR motion-sensors and eye-witness reports of their eyes being "all-black"...in other words, large, light-gathering pupils.
I believe reports are growing in number simply because human populations are growing and encroaching on their "territory".
But they have been known since ancient times...just ask any Aborigine or Native American...

Great thread, appreciate the civil discourse between the physical and metaphysical folks. Its refreshing.

I fall firmly into the group that thinks yowie... and bigfoot... are physical, Earthly and natural. I also hold with the idea that they are quite ancient. Its part of the reason that Australia is so incredibly important. The presence of such a creature in Australia would say an awful lot about just how ancient they may be.

But I'm being proved to be totally wrong about *what* it is.

At the beginning of my active interest in the subject I was SURE that this would turn out to be relict populations of Homo Erectus.

There is an immediate and profound problem with that idea but I clung to it. The main problem is that the very definition of Homo Erectus involves the use of fire and the production of stone tools. I don't know of any evidence for that from any quarter.

But I still hung onto the idea of Homo Erectus because it was the most successful and longest lived species of human in history. It was very adaptable and spread out over much of the world. Yeah Homo Sapiens has taken over but Homo Erectus was around far longer than we have been. And there is evidence that Homo Erectus evolved into very diverse sub-species. The largest human mandible ever found is sitting in a museum on Java and while believed to be Homo Erectus that specimen is so huge that it got its own name, Meganthropus Paleojavanicus, and is attributed to Island Gigantism. The individual is thought to have been approximately 8 feet tall. There is a strong argument that Homo Floresiensis was Homo Erectus subject to Island Dwarfism with individuals reaching about 3.5 feet tall.

I thought that perhaps remnant populations of Homo Erectus, after being hunted and nearly eliminated by Homo Sapiens, went to ground. Maybe they retreated to the bush and went retrograde moving back to raw food and living rough over a long period of time becoming more or less a predatory animal.

Wrong. All Wrong. I'll show why but I'll do that over in the Fringe/Controversial Area when I do.

One thing, there are a couple of reports, one of them from Mark Zaskey, of direct observation of what might be described as hyper-agility. Mark saw a BF jump over a large hedge and land on the far side of a dirt road landing almost like Hancock mostly on one foot and digging in. They have been there out in the bush for eons subject to Darwinian evolution while we have spent a long time becoming social and amicable and have lost the acuity of our senses and our physical abilities.

[rowbe]

Hi Bushyankee, interested to hear your thoughts?

[MrLittleFoot]

Big Hairy mate..

I believe there are 2 kinds, real ones & hybrids..

[M-glass]

Hi Senses and Titla, I understand where you are coming from. It gets so frustrating telling people what we think, even though more and more are on our side. We, as well as Rusty have seen very unusual things happen with them. Everyone knows where we stand on this subject. You were just answering the forums question"what do you think a yowie is" BUT no use arguing with others, as they have there opinions. I know there not just flesh and blood, but Rusty is right, we do need evidence of something--getting facts.
But i would like to ask you Rusty ( as you have always been a huge support to us all. )You said quote "Senses , I've seen the weird for myself and am well aware that something very odd is going on in the forest but shouldn't we be trying to get the yowie recognised first ? If we can do that then we can move to step 2 .

Through any evidence we have not managed in years to get the yowie recognised. What "IF "we concentrate on what the yowie can "do" as in dissapear, shapeshift,mumble,lightning speed, ect,ect,ect... we may help us in working out what the yowie is? So step 2 first, then step 1????

To me we have more evidence on the paranormal then we do in flesh and blood, how many people now have videod lightning type lights running up/ across trees, videos of predator type state, recordings of heavy weight running at speed with no sighting, 100's of them. Now compare that to the very few REAL videos of the actual photo of a yowie out there. I have to say too that it doesnt even matter if we find say hair strands. Because when we send it away, we dont even get it back. So to me whats the sense looking for the evidence.
Thanks Dee

This thread could be one of, 'What do you think UFOs or 'alien's are'. Basically asking people to post their opinions on a controversial subject

Yes, there are those who've devoted enormous time and effort into UFO research and who believe/opine that UFOs are nuts and bolts reality. Others think ufos are possibly sentient paranormal objects which have appeared in a variety of guises throughout history

When a topic-heading asks people to express their opinions, that's what the responses will be -- opinions

Bit insulting if those who believe UFOs are physical, nuts and bolts machines told those who think UFOs might be paranormal to buzz off to the Conjecture section as if their opinions are somehow inferior

same with Yowies. The UFO and Yowie researchers might have hundreds of what they believe to be video and other evidence. But until they have a chunk of Yowie or UFO in their hands, their opinions are no more valid than the person who 'thinks' (is of the opinion) that Yowies and UFOs are not 3D material objects

Somewhere above, I think the OP said something along the lines of this thread should have more correctly been relegated to the Conjecture section. Which in turn implies only opinions which subscribe to a flesh and blood Yowie are legitimate. And perhaps in jest, another poster made reference to 'airy fairy' opinions re: those who do not subscribe to a flesh and blood Yowie. Why is that? Maybe those who are so opposed to a non-material/3D Yowie should question their assumptions? Why the need and insistence on there being a flesh and blood Yowie? Was it born of the 'guns and hunting' mentality of the early Bigfoot searchers? Wearing their camo with their guns at the ready, believing they'd spotted Bigfoot around every tree, ready to blast in order to drag a carcass to the media for personal acclaim and reward. Manly men who need to believe in a manly Bigfoot and now Yowie. And their opinions or thoughts on the subject are more deserving and more valid because they're immersed in a 3D reality with no room for the 'airy fairy' ? These are they who believe Bigfoot and Yowies of twelve to fifteen feet in height and commensurate weight and bulk are prepared to play hidey-go-seek with humans in between hunting and devouring sufficient calories to maintain their famed agility & strength? Santa's another fabled enigma who somehow manages to deliver gifts to billions of children in the space of one night -- yes because Santa's real and he's flesh and blood as any young child will insist and unless you subscribe to a flesh and blood Santa, stay out of the main forums thanks?

[bushyankee]

Hi Bushyankee, interested to hear your thoughts?

I don't have any idea what it is.

As I said, I thought it would be something related to Homo Erectus. I put up video that I think shows otherwise. At this point I think its an completely unknown hominid. I know less about it now than when I started. I have a channel named after an incorrect theory lol.

I do, however, know a couple of things that might be useful, behavioral things and possibly a taxonomic or regional issue.

I keep finding tree peekers in the southeastern United States, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi etc. Usually only a partial face is visible... about every six months or so I will see one leaning far out from the tree and get a pretty good look. I'm seeing large individuals (but not huge) with lustrous black hair and pastey white skin. The face is striking with large eyes and very strange bone structure with heavily armored orbits but no visible sagital crest. The face has some features which look almost caucasoidal and human while the face appears overall to be non-human.

Pretty damned weird and definitely not Patty from the Patterson-Gimlin film.

I look for those classic simian bigfoot images in Florida. Mark and Melanie Zaskey film them routinely. But I have to admit that most of the time I'm finding very strange looking white faces. Occasionally I see a more classic looking subject, I'm working on one now, but its mostly subjects that look like what is in the video. And it just definitely is not Homo Erectus or any other known archaic human.

So the behavior thing... after seeing quite a few I have noticed that their comfort zone starts at about 40 feet (that is with a single human present filming). Out past 10 meters or so I notice a pattern where BF flanks ahead inside a treeline very quietly and then takes a good long look. BF can be closer to you but they will be hunkered down in concealment. Something magic happens out about 40 feet and you have a chance to film them.

Bottom line: not a clue what it is