Bigfoot? Fact or Fiction? A poll...

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Bigfoot? Fact or Fiction? A poll...

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NOTE: I posted this the other night yet it was removed without explanation (sneaky) ...so I will attempt to recall as much as possible of the original post.
(Perhaps a mod was a little sensitive to my exact quote from another user whom I did not name, which I used to ask if said user's concept of fiction was shared? If so... seriously? My post was in no way offensive or attacking said user??? And said user even PMed me complaining it had been removed before they could comment?)



A century ago wolves (and here in Oz, Dingos) were seen as merely dangerous vermin to be eradicated. In many areas they literally became extinct, which was applauded as a great achievement.

Then writers, most famously Jack London with Call of The Wild, White Fang, etc began writing fiction expressing the world as seen from the perspective of the animals.
These books apparently triggered compassion and understanding in the human population for these animals, eventually resulting in them being protected and even large funds being allocated for the recovery of their species before they became fully extinct.

Of course Jack London was NOT a wolf. He could not possibly KNOW how a wolf actually thinks. His writings (and those of others) were pure speculation.

For many years I have been active on forums such as this one, joining in on discussions speculating on why the Hairy Blokes do what they do.
The greatest resource IMO on this topic comes from eyewitness reports... all of which exclusively describe the encounter from the perspective of the witnessee.
Yet in reading or listening to these encounters I personally felt anxious... not for the human, but for the Bigfoot. It seems to me that the human almost inevitably misunderstands the situation, leading to great fear and potential tragedy (especially if said human is armed).

For example... rock throwing.
Humans tend to perceive this as a threat display, an attempt to hurt them. Surely if the Bigfoot/Yowie WANTED to hurt them with a thrown rock they likely would never even know what hit them? It is more likely IMO a 'poke with a finger'... an attempt to get attention and generate a reaction out of simple curiosity.

Such encounters (especially the near-constant calls for one to be shot) prompted me to do what I could to hopefully trigger some understanding and compassion for these animals. And so I started writing stories of fiction, speculatively exploring possible reasons for reported behaviour and explaining it in an entertaining and educational way (of course, like London, I am not a Sasquatch... despite what my wife thinks) and I am restricted to pure speculation on my part.

It has been said that my "presence on this website as a sceptic fiction writer, is the biggest insult of all. Using this site for ideas to weave your fiction, and then using this forum to advertise your fictional works, while scoffing at reports, is nothing short of pathetic... You contribute nothing towards research or the aims of this forum."

What do members think?
Does fiction play a role in learning about this topic?
If the consensus is that it does not, then I will respect the opinions of members and refrain from publishing any more of my work on this site.

ATTENTION PLEASE MOD: We are all adults here are we not? This topic is not intended to be an argument. It is a discussion. I am in no way offended by the quote I used above and in no way intend it to be offensive to the member who wrote it. Both he and I cordially agree there is no need to remove this post.
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I think your books are great and you should keep posting excerpts as a lot of members seem to like it. Also the thread on the paranormal section was locked so how else are you to rebutt what was said of you?
I am sure forum members knows you are not a troll and have a genuine and maybe even obsessive interest in the subject. That is obvious! (thumb up)
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Thanks YB.
It appears by a small percentage on some other forums (as well as this one) that some people think fiction somehow disparages the 'seriousness' of this topic.

I wonder how much of that attitude stems from guilt, whether subconscious or otherwise, that their own accounts are in reality fictional? ... hence they attack someone who comes right out and says they are writing fiction? (detective)
... my own understanding and experience of human nature tends to support the old adage, 'Methinks thou doest protest too much' ie: guilt prompts people to attack anything that reminds them of their own failings.

"No no... don't expose my 'beliefs' as fictional by writing fiction!"
Just speculation of course...
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When we put forward our theories and thoughts not based on experiences we have had ourselves, aren't we all to some extent engaging in speculative fiction?
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Bluedog wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:11 am When we put forward our theories and thoughts not based on experiences we have had ourselves, aren't we all to some extent engaging in speculative fiction?
Exactly.
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Bluedog wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:11 am When we put forward our theories and thoughts not based on experiences we have had ourselves, aren't we all to some extent engaging in speculative fiction?
I think witnesses have theories as well as anything other than what they experienced is speculation. Like why it happened or what the thing was doing etc. Cant blame em for trying to figger it out i suppose.
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Wolf wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:47 pm Thanks YB.
It appears by a small percentage on some other forums (as well as this one) that some people think fiction somehow disparages the 'seriousness' of this topic.

I wonder how much of that attitude stems from guilt, whether subconscious or otherwise, that their own accounts are in reality fictional? ... hence they attack someone who comes right out and says they are writing fiction? (detective)
... my own understanding and experience of human nature tends to support the old adage, 'Methinks thou doest protest too much' ie: guilt prompts people to attack anything that reminds them of their own failings.

"No no... don't expose my 'beliefs' as fictional by writing fiction!"
Just speculation of course...
I never really thought about that but you could be right.


I dont go out of my way to read fiction but your stuff is different. Its from all perspectives which is a good thing imo.
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Hi Wolf,

I have never read one of your "fictional accounts"...they simply do not interest me...BUT I respect your contributions and defend your right to add them to the forum. I quite like the "Jack London" analogy. I think your enthusiasm and general good humor (despite being trolled by some on here) are an asset to the forum.

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Mad Academic wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:51 pm Hi Wolf,

I have never read one of your "fictional accounts"...they simply do not interest me...BUT I respect your contributions and defend your right to add them to the forum. I quite like the "Jack London" analogy. I think your enthusiasm and general good humor (despite being trolled by some on here) are an asset to the forum.

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Well said MA, wolf's contributions are welcome, I to don't read wolf's fiction but he is a valued member of the forum.
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The only problem I see is that you're using this forum to advertise a product.
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Gavin wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:51 am The only problem I see is that you're using this forum to advertise a product.
Yes, I use this forum and others to advertise my work. 99.9% of the links I post are to free content... content I used to write up and post direct in threads here (if you look back in my 'post history' you will see a lot of my speculative ramblings and comments well before I ever set up my site).

I found that it saved a LOT of time, especially regarding formatting and editing to simply publish the content on my site and link it. Personally, I feel this in no way detracts from this site as the webbinet runs on links, backlinks, etc.
I would love nothing more than to see YH grow and I regularly link to this site on other forums for that purpose, including links from my own site in the 'resources section'.
Sites grow by being shared, it is the most wonderful thing about the 'net IMO... people share what they like. It is the epitome of the best marketing technique of all... word of mouth.
In saying all that, if Dean for some reason has an issue with me doing so I will immediately stop.

Currently on my main site out of 30 pages of stories, encounters and content there is only one book for sale, and some links to my art that people requested I put on T-shirts, etc. (For which I set up a seperate sister site)

And then 100% of any profits made (either from my books or my art) go to The Wild Woods Foundation, which my wife and I set up to save land from development and set aside forever for wildlife.

Sure, I would love to be able to not have to have a day job and do nothing but write and draw all day... who wouldn't? But no, I have to drive trucks and have a 'real job' like most people.

Currently the running costs of my sites is not even covered by book or art sales, yet despite this The Foundation has still managed to save two blocks of land from development (due to our own personal input).
Hopefully, over time (and once the Trilogy is completed and I can begin spending money on marketing) the money coming into The Foundation can effect more significant change and save a lot more land from being turned into concrete and tarmac.

And thank you to those members supporting my efforts in comments above. Until I hear otherwise I will continue to post my content here.
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I don't mind that you do it Wolf. I have enjoyed your posts and I hope you don't change at all.
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The main Yowie Forum is kept for non fiction Yowie Research, observations and discussion, to the best we can.


Fantasy, fiction, other topics, including self promotion is to stay in the ‘Off the Topic’ section - which is fair and reasonable.

Spamming any self agenda in any AYR Forum is not allowed.



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Dean Harrison wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:10 pm The main Yowie Forum is kept for non fiction Yowie Research, observations and discussion, to the best we can.


Fantasy, fiction, other topics, including self promotion is to stay in the ‘Off the Topic’ section - which is fair and reasonable.

Spamming any self agenda in any AYR Forum is not allowed.



Thank you.


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Dean, can you please define 'self agenda?
My goal is to grow awareness via fiction and if doing so can contribute to saving land from development, great. Would you classify that as 'self-agenda'?

I'm sorry but I can't see how my work is 'off-topic'? It is definitely On-topic is it not? Is it perhaps because I define my speculation as fiction?
Is not ALL speculation fiction? (as Bluedog suggested)

As I said, if you want me to stop posting here I will without complaint. It is your site... your rules.
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Ok well lets be consistent then and call out anyone linking any video that doesnt feauture actual evidence and especially these amateur anthropologists who post their seminars and theories as interesting as it is and maybe more researchers will start posting physical evidence on here again.

Funny thing is Wolfs articles are probably more accurate than a lot of the speculation from some of the field researchers and Wolf hasnt even had the experience...yet...or has he?
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