Paranormal vs Flesh and Blood - an occultist's perspective.

[Thecreeper]

Its really weird about the pics and vids playing up not saying i got anything but iv posted about being charged by something while getting into my kayak early morning and within a second of it happening i had a torch on the area and my go pro and recorded and checked the area for atleast 20 mins when i got home i thought id check the video for sounds as 90%was black from chest mount moving water and crappy torch work and guess what file currupted yet i was checking it befor i left and it was fine now im pretty sure its even gone off my gopro?
Iv never had a corrupt video or even pic befor that or since then makes u wonder doesnt it
Also couldnt physically speak or yell never experienced that befor either

[Yowie bait]

Its really weird about the pics and vids playing up not saying i got anything but iv posted about being charged by something while getting into my kayak early morning and within a second of it happening i had a torch on the area and my go pro and recorded and checked the area for atleast 20 mins when i got home i thought id check the video for sounds as 90%was black from chest mount moving water and crappy torch work and guess what file currupted yet i was checking it befor i left and it was fine now im pretty sure its even gone off my gopro?
Iv never had a corrupt video or even pic befor that or since then makes u wonder doesnt it
Also couldnt physically speak or yell never experienced that befor either

Yeah me and my mate couldnt move or talk while we were getting roared at and we were discussing everything that was happening before that. I cant ask him but I know i cant remember hardly anything before the encounter either except that something was mirroring our footprints not long before the went down.

[Thecreeper]

Yer its just weird like if it was from fear y could i paddle straight to the spot with the torch on
To investigate yet even then couldnt yell out at all

Christ mate if that had happened to me those undies i wore out would of been getting retired haha crazy stuff but would be unreal to experience

[Yowie bait]

Yer its just weird like if it was from fear y could i paddle straight to the spot with the torch on
To investigate yet even then couldnt yell out at all

Christ mate if that had happened to me those undies i wore out would of been getting retired haha crazy stuff but would be unreal to experience

True if it was from fear you probably wouldve at least yelled out "whos there" or something and stayed in the boat for a bit . Thats very very weird and i bet youd never felt like that before too.

Yeah it was unreal and a great thing to experience. After it was over of course!!

[Thecreeper]

Yer or screamed like a little girl or ran on water to grt away haha
Nope never experienced anything like it befor and i still cant explain it because i still dont no what it was so its even harder it sounded like a bull charging threw thick bush at me for a few strides into the open then within a second gone??

Yer would be great to talk about around a fire with a few beers a very long way away from where it happened haha

[Yowie bait]

Yer or screamed like a little girl or ran on water to grt away haha
Nope never experienced anything like it befor and i still cant explain it because i still dont no what it was so its even harder it sounded like a bull charging threw thick bush at me for a few strides into the open then within a second gone??

Yer would be great to talk about around a fire with a few beers a very long way away from where it happened haha

They do sound like a bull or a small elephant stampeding I don't know how they can make so much noise. Very weird. I suspect there was another running parallel to us when it was all happening.

Chances are there is more than one if you see or hear em then probably its just a distraction while another gets close or out of sight. Either that or a warning maybe to scare you off.

There was a comment by an AYR researcher ( Dean i think?)recently that he and some researchers heard something approaching them with heavy footfalls. As it got closer/louder and just when they expected it to appear there was nothing there!

From what i could tell they ( yowies) can just run head first and crash through thick foilage. Many others have reported this too and even through lantana which would tear a person up bad.

Also the full on noise they make when running is totally opposite of their running style which is a very fluent and elegant motion.

[Thecreeper]

What ever it was it had to be smart 2 because i had walked down the side of the bush got into my kayak with my touch on stuffed around setting my stuff up and soon as i put my head down to roll a smoke it came smashing out of the bush at me the most confusing part wasnt the not being able to find it or speak it was that what ever it was smashed through the bush yet i never herd it smash back through the bush to get away and there was no place it could of went without having to head straight back into where it came from

[Thecreeper]

If u look at my post the noise it made 2 was nothing iv ever herd befor either the whole thing is unexplainable and still confusing the hell out of me iv been back atleast 10 times since nothing has happened
all i could think of was maybe whatever it was was only there to get away from the fires in the area the big fires in burragorang valley spred to within 8km of this spot so maybe whatever it was has headed back up there

[Yowie bait]

If u look at my post the noise it made 2 was nothing iv ever herd befor either the whole thing is unexplainable and still confusing the hell out of me iv been back atleast 10 times since nothing has happened
all i could think of was maybe whatever it was was only there to get away from the fires in the area the big fires in burragorang valley spred to within 8km of this spot so maybe whatever it was has headed back up there

Man that must have scared the c**p out of you. I just looked at your post and listened to the predator noise.
They have a wide range of vocals too. Lots of expelling air type noises and grunts and growls have been reported.

Still could be anything but yeah very odd.

One we saw was making heaps of weird noises. Kind of like yelling in a weird language and hissing and heavy breathing and trying to scare us..

I wouldnt let it put you off the fishing. Maybe leave some bananas when you arrive and a few fish afterwards if you catch some.

Its been said that Aboriginals will leave fish after a fishing trip to keep them happy. Kind of an offering to say thank you for letting me fish here.

Talk to them as well. No one is going to know!

[Thecreeper]

Exactly mate could of been anything but still stuffed with my head

It was just all wierd not at 1 point did i think c**p run for it all i kept thinking was i gotta no what it was and where it was if someone was trying to get me it could
Yer thats a good point ill leave something next time i go out and see what happens

Its funny how everyone thinks they dont exist yet aboriginals always say stuff like that and iv herd stories of rock paintings of them and big cats and stuff

[Yowie bait]

Exactly mate could of been anything but still stuffed with my head

It was just all wierd not at 1 point did i think c**p run for it all i kept thinking was i gotta no what it was and where it was if someone was trying to get me it could
Yer thats a good point ill leave something next time i go out and see what happens

Its funny how everyone thinks they dont exist yet aboriginals always say stuff like that and iv herd stories of rock paintings of them and big cats and stuff

Yeah i was told all sorts of stories about them plus the garbage on tv. Some of the dream time and creature stories are obviously to keep kids away from danger like dont climb between thin rocks or muck around near waterholes but the yowie is the real deal. If you know any elders in the area you could always ask about that area where you had your experience.

[Thecreeper]

Yer thats exactly right just like the story i tell my daughter about the croc in my horses paddock so she wont go near it
Iv actually got some aboriginal in me
my sisters has been going to meeting and stuff the last year or 2 i might have to head over with her 1 day and talk to a few people

[Yowie bait]

Yeah what a great opportunity to find out more at the meetings. Im sure you would learn something about the hairy men.

[sensesonfire]

Exactly mate could of been anything but still stuffed with my head

It was just all wierd not at 1 point did i think c**p run for it all i kept thinking was i gotta no what it was and where it was if someone was trying to get me it could
Yer thats a good point ill leave something next time i go out and see what happens

Its funny how everyone thinks they dont exist yet aboriginals always say stuff like that and iv herd stories of rock paintings of them and big cats and stuff

Yeah i was told all sorts of stories about them plus the garbage on tv. Some of the dream time and creature stories are obviously to keep kids away from danger like dont climb between thin rocks or muck around near waterholes but the yowie is the real deal. If you know any elders in the area you could always ask about that area where you had your experience.

Remember there is an element of truth behind ancient myths and legends.

[themanfromglad]

Here is some field work out of Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqHAcbDUcc

[Thecreeper]

Yeah what a great opportunity to find out more at the meetings. Im sure you would learn something about the hairy men.

Yer it will be a great opportunity i recon and would be good to find out about significant aboriginal areas around me as iv herd alot about sightings around sacred or places that significant things have happened good or bad

[Thecreeper]

Remember there is an element of truth behind ancient myths and legends.
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It makes the mind race thinking about that mate

[Yowie bait]

Yeah what a great opportunity to find out more at the meetings. Im sure you would learn something about the hairy men.

Yer it will be a great opportunity i recon and would be good to find out about significant aboriginal areas around me as iv herd alot about sightings around sacred or places that significant things have happened good or bad

Definetely a great chance to learn more. Could really help you out and wont hurt to ask!

There sure is a few sightings and encounters around sacred sites. Same goes for people living on or near significant areas and they are totally unaware till some weirdness starts going on and they look for answers.

[themanfromglad]

Remember there is an element of truth behind ancient myths and legends.

It makes the mind race thinking about that mate
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Leprechauns have been heard in the United States. They too are paranormal. Small forest people are sometimes called "stick Indians", by Native Americans. The little people will come closer to humans more often than the Bigfoot. And they are more likely to show their tricks.

[Ben Mook]

Hey there,
Can I just ask what scientific evidence we have to show us that Bigfoot/Yowie's etc are Paranormal?

Most if not all the encounters I've read state that they appear to be flesh and blood creatures.

Thanks in advance,

Ben.

[sensesonfire]

Hey there,
Can I just ask what scientific evidence we have to show us that Bigfoot/Yowie's etc are Paranormal?

Most if not all the encounters I've read state that they appear to be flesh and blood creatures.

Thanks in advance,

Ben.

Hi Ben,
You say "Can I just ask what scientific evidence we have to show us that Bigfoot/Yowies etc are paranormal?''
On your next line, I may ask the same question what evidence do we have to prove they are flesh and blood? and the answer to that is none.

I'm of the opinion that along with all of their amazing abilities they are also interdimensional. Able to travel in and out of portals one of the reasons why we will never find a body and the fact that they are virtually immortal.

Why would they need to be flesh and blood when they are interdimensional travelers I do concur though they do have a physical appearance when required one of flesh and bone but not blood.
I believe these creatures Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are of the spirit world (fallen angel DNA) they do not require a human explanation of flesh and blood.
Spirit creatures can take on physical form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:​1-8; 19:​1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.​

Even Jesus himself after his resurrection appeared in flesh and bone but not blood. And that is what I believe these cryptids are flesh and bone when required but not blood.

I'd suggest that to all the wannabe scientists and academics if you are looking for answers with the paranormal (which generally is non-compatible with science) take heed of what themanfromglad has to say because unlike scientists he has the hands-on experiences.

[Ben Mook]

Hey there,
Can I just ask what scientific evidence we have to show us that Bigfoot/Yowie's etc are Paranormal?

Most if not all the encounters I've read state that they appear to be flesh and blood creatures.

Thanks in advance,

Ben.

Hi Ben,
You say "Can I just ask what scientific evidence we have to show us that Bigfoot/Yowies etc are paranormal?''
On your next line, I may ask the same question what evidence do we have to prove they are flesh and blood? and the answer to that is none.

I'm of the opinion that along with all of their amazing abilities they are also interdimensional. Able to travel in and out of portals one of the reasons why we will never find a body and the fact that they are virtually immortal.

Why would they need to be flesh and blood when they are interdimensional travelers I do concur though they do have a physical appearance when required one of flesh and bone but not blood.
I believe these creatures Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are of the spirit world (fallen angel DNA) they do not require a human explanation of flesh and blood.
Spirit creatures can take on physical form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:​1-8; 19:​1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.​

Even Jesus himself after his resurrection appeared in flesh and bone but not blood. And that is what I believe these cryptids are flesh and bone when required but not blood.



Hi Senses,

So are you saying these are possible demons?

Ben.

I'd suggest that to all the wannabe scientists and academics if you are looking for answers with the paranormal (which generally is non-compatible with science) take heed of what themanfromglad has to say because unlike scientists he has the hands-on experiences.

[sensesonfire]

Hi Senses,

So are you saying these are possible demons?

Ben.

Hi Ben,
Here's my answer to your question.



In the case of Bigfoot in The US and Sasquatch in Canada and Yowie in Australia, they have always been referred to as spiritual/mystical beings by the indigenous peoples and I believe that Bigfoot through interaction has given these people a great insight into their origins something that has not been privileged to others. they have been referred to as an ancient human-type being with extraterrestrial origins. The Plains Indians of the US call it The Trickster.
Here are a few other names:
1.Cherokee - " Hairy Savage "
2.Chinook - '' Evil God of The Woods ''
3.Navajo - '' Big God ''
4.Shoshone - '' Cannibal Giant ''
5.Hoopa - '' Big Boss of the Woods''
6.Seminole - ''Tall Man''
7.Quinault - '' Devil of the Forest''or ''Dangerous Being''
8.Spokane - '' Tall Burnt Hair''
9.Yakama - ''Spirit Hidden by Woods''
10.Lenni-Lenape - ''Masked Being''
11.Eastern Athabascan -'' Wicked Cannibal''
12.Kawaiisu - ''Bad Luck or Disaster''
13.Klamath - ''The Frightener''

These names are just a few there are many more from the various Indian tribes but one thing is noted and that these creatures are widespread and all have devious names which is indicative to me of their true nature.
In the Bible, Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are not specifically mentioned but the fallen angels/Nephilim are and also their abominable deeds. There are some strong warnings in the Bible as to what is out there and what lies ahead. I've been over this a few times but here are a few examples
1.Psalm 91:5
Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night

2.
1.Rev. 104:20
You bring darkness, it becomes night, and all the beasts of the forest prowl.


And the most telling of all.
3.Leviticus 26:22 - KJV - New King James: I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate.

Many Christians, when asked about Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman, say that if it is not mentioned in the Bible then it can't be true but it is in an indirect way. An alternative question could be asked then if it is not from God Who then? Because we know these cryptids to be real.

Take Dogman as an example this creature is so unbelievable it's beyond most people's comprehension to the point they simply dismiss it offhand not prepared to even contemplate the idea this is usually the response to something that is not understood. But they do exist hundreds of sightings in the US and now sightings and reports are coming forward in Australia. Could this cryptid also be demonic I have a detailed theory as to what this creature is and where it originated from and yes it does include fallen angel DNA?

At the moment Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are somewhat benevolent but I do not expect them to remain so in the future.
So to answer your original question do I think these creatures are demonic? probably yes but I prefer a similar assessment ungodly.

[Ben Mook]

Hi Senses,

Thank you for the extended response.
I actually haven't had the Sasquatch topic explained to me in that way before. A lot of really interesting points there.

Thanks for making the time.

Ben.

[adventurer]

Hi Senses,

So are you saying these are possible demons?

Ben.

Hi Ben,
Here's my answer to your question.



In the case of Bigfoot in The US and Sasquatch in Canada and Yowie in Australia, they have always been referred to as spiritual/mystical beings by the indigenous peoples and I believe that Bigfoot through interaction has given these people a great insight into their origins something that has not been privileged to others. they have been referred to as an ancient human-type being with extraterrestrial origins. The Plains Indians of the US call it The Trickster.
Here are a few other names:
1.Cherokee - " Hairy Savage "
2.Chinook - '' Evil God of The Woods ''
3.Navajo - '' Big God ''
4.Shoshone - '' Cannibal Giant ''
5.Hoopa - '' Big Boss of the Woods''
6.Seminole - ''Tall Man''
7.Quinault - '' Devil of the Forest''or ''Dangerous Being''
8.Spokane - '' Tall Burnt Hair''
9.Yakama - ''Spirit Hidden by Woods''
10.Lenni-Lenape - ''Masked Being''
11.Eastern Athabascan -'' Wicked Cannibal''
12.Kawaiisu - ''Bad Luck or Disaster''
13.Klamath - ''The Frightener''

These names are just a few there are many more from the various Indian tribes but one thing is noted and that these creatures are widespread and all have devious names which is indicative to me of their true nature.
In the Bible, Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are not specifically mentioned but the fallen angels/Nephilim are and also their abominable deeds. There are some strong warnings in the Bible as to what is out there and what lies ahead. I've been over this a few times but here are a few examples
1.Psalm 91:5
Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night

2.
1.Rev. 104:20
You bring darkness, it becomes night, and all the beasts of the forest prowl.


And the most telling of all.
3.Leviticus 26:22 - KJV - New King James: I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate.

Many Christians, when asked about Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman, say that if it is not mentioned in the Bible then it can't be true but it is in an indirect way. An alternative question could be asked then if it is not from God Who then? Because we know these cryptids to be real.

Take Dogman as an example this creature is so unbelievable it's beyond most people's comprehension to the point they simply dismiss it offhand not prepared to even contemplate the idea this is usually the response to something that is not understood. But they do exist hundreds of sightings in the US and now sightings and reports are coming forward in Australia. Could this cryptid also be demonic I have a detailed theory as to what this creature is and where it originated from and yes it does include fallen angel DNA?

At the moment Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are somewhat benevolent but I do not expect them to remain so in the future.
So to answer your original question do I think these creatures are demonic? probably yes but I prefer a similar assessment ungodly.

I knew there was a reason I never read the Bible. I don't know anyone who would read that and go out in the bush at night.talk about giving me the heeby jeebees.Does it state any positive friendly side to them at all? Because I feel there friendly most of the time.Why would it state " I will send wild beasts", then " though shalt not be afraid"? Have to admit, I dismiss Dogman only cause I'm so dam s#@t scared of it. Good on you for explaining once again they are interdimensional and at times have physical appearance, I couldn't agree with you more.well done.dee

[sensesonfire]

Hi Senses,

So are you saying these are possible demons?

Ben.

Hi Ben,
Here's my answer to your question.



In the case of Bigfoot in The US and Sasquatch in Canada and Yowie in Australia, they have always been referred to as spiritual/mystical beings by the indigenous peoples and I believe that Bigfoot through interaction has given these people a great insight into their origins something that has not been privileged to others. they have been referred to as an ancient human-type being with extraterrestrial origins. The Plains Indians of the US call it The Trickster.
Here are a few other names:
1.Cherokee - " Hairy Savage "
2.Chinook - '' Evil God of The Woods ''
3.Navajo - '' Big God ''
4.Shoshone - '' Cannibal Giant ''
5.Hoopa - '' Big Boss of the Woods''
6.Seminole - ''Tall Man''
7.Quinault - '' Devil of the Forest''or ''Dangerous Being''
8.Spokane - '' Tall Burnt Hair''
9.Yakama - ''Spirit Hidden by Woods''
10.Lenni-Lenape - ''Masked Being''
11.Eastern Athabascan -'' Wicked Cannibal''
12.Kawaiisu - ''Bad Luck or Disaster''
13.Klamath - ''The Frightener''

These names are just a few there are many more from the various Indian tribes but one thing is noted and that these creatures are widespread and all have devious names which is indicative to me of their true nature.
In the Bible, Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are not specifically mentioned but the fallen angels/Nephilim are and also their abominable deeds. There are some strong warnings in the Bible as to what is out there and what lies ahead. I've been over this a few times but here are a few examples
1.Psalm 91:5
Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night

2.
1.Rev. 104:20
You bring darkness, it becomes night, and all the beasts of the forest prowl.


And the most telling of all.
3.Leviticus 26:22 - KJV - New King James: I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate.

Many Christians, when asked about Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman, say that if it is not mentioned in the Bible then it can't be true but it is in an indirect way. An alternative question could be asked then if it is not from God Who then? Because we know these cryptids to be real.

Take Dogman as an example this creature is so unbelievable it's beyond most people's comprehension to the point they simply dismiss it offhand not prepared to even contemplate the idea this is usually the response to something that is not understood. But they do exist hundreds of sightings in the US and now sightings and reports are coming forward in Australia. Could this cryptid also be demonic I have a detailed theory as to what this creature is and where it originated from and yes it does include fallen angel DNA?

At the moment Bigfoot/Yowie/Dogman are somewhat benevolent but I do not expect them to remain so in the future.
So to answer your original question do I think these creatures are demonic? probably yes but I prefer a similar assessment ungodly.

I knew there was a reason I never read the Bible. I don't know anyone who would read that and go out in the bush at night.talk about giving me the heeby jeebees.Does it state any positive friendly side to them at all? Because I feel there friendly most of the time.Why would it state " I will send wild beasts", then " though shalt not be afraid"? Have to admit, I dismiss Dogman only cause I'm so dam s#@t scared of it. Good on you for explaining once again they are interdimensional and at times have physical appearance, I couldn't agree with you more.well done.dee

Thanks, dee for your response I believe all of these creatures are generally benevolent there may be individuals who can show aggression.

3.Leviticus 26:22 - KJV - New King James: I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate.

I believe in this instance God is talking about end times when these cryptids will be set against humanity this is when IMO they will convert from benevolent to malevolent. As it says in the end times so shall it be like as in the days of Noah (wicked) it is one reason why these cryptids have slowly been increasing in numbers over the decades to be used against us. When you analyze this you have to ask what possible wild creatures worldwide would be capable of stealing your children; destroying your livestock and making mankind so few in numbers that our highways will be desolate none that I know of except these beasts that are found on every continent except Antarctica. In recent times the reported cases of Dogman sightings have outnumbered Bigfoot reports in the US and I think this is slowly becoming the case in Australia.

I can't comment on Yowie so much as I know you would have a far greater knowledge on this topic than I do.

1.Psalm 91:5
Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night

I believe in this statement God is speaking to the Christians.

[sensesonfire]

Hi Senses,

Thank you for the extended response.
I actually haven't had the Sasquatch topic explained to me in that way before. A lot of really interesting points there.

Thanks for making the time.

Ben.

Hi Ben, You're welcome.

[gregvalentine]

Isn't there a fundamentalist Christian discussion group you people can take your tedious proselytising to???

[Dion]

Isn't there a fundamentalist Christian discussion group you people can take your tedious proselytising to???

Isn't there a fundamentalist Sarcasm (don't have anything else to add) group you can join.

If you don't wish to read whats here in this part of the forum then you don't have to, simple.

[themanfromglad]

In my field experience, the Bigfoot are definitely not demons. Reptilians and Dogman are pretty mean and therefore would be closer to demons, but still are not. Some Bigfoot are territorial and are primarily interested in their own safety. There prior human experience is most likely with low I.Q, gun toting red necks. Some will likely initially try to drive you off with some standard scare technique. Loud noises come across to us as scary so their just making a noise to let you know that they are there and are not a small animal, may tend to convince you that they are trying to scare you off. If you are able to convince them that you are not another jerk, it becomes possible to shape the interaction so that at worst they are neutral. But virtually all of the Bigfoot, welcome friendly interaction if you give it a chance. Even ones that start out trying to scare you out of the woods, can be quickly neutralized into one that enjoys being asked questions that they can provide a YES answer with a branch break. Since so few field researchers actually attempt to communicate with them, their imaginations are free to run wild so that they could come to incorrect conclusions and not be able to resist the urge to get the hell out of there or start firing guns into the forest. So in my opinion, looking for guidance in the Bible is a complete waste of time and is likely to ruin your ability to do real field research. So you might as well stay home and go to church.