Paranormal vs Flesh and Blood - an occultist's perspective.

[sensesonfire]

In my field experience, the Bigfoot are definitely not demons. Reptilians and Dogman are pretty mean and therefore would be closer to demons, but still are not. Some Bigfoot are territorial and are primarily interested in their own safety. There prior human experience is most likely with low I.Q, gun toting red necks. Some will likely initially try to drive you off with some standard scare technique. Loud noises come across to us as scary so their just making a noise to let you know that they are there and are not a small animal, may tend to convince you that they are trying to scare you off. If you are able to convince them that you are not another jerk, it becomes possible to shape the interaction so that at worst they are neutral. But virtually all of the Bigfoot, welcome friendly interaction if you give it a chance. Even ones that start out trying to scare you out of the woods, can be quickly neutralized into one that enjoys being asked questions that they can provide a YES answer with a branch break. Since so few field researchers actually attempt to communicate with them, their imaginations are free to run wild so that they could come to incorrect conclusions and not be able to resist the urge to get the hell out of there or start firing guns into the forest. So in my opinion, looking for guidance in the Bible is a complete waste of time and is likely to ruin your ability to do real field research. So you might as well stay home and go to church.

Well, we will have to disagree on this one the manfromglad as a matter of fact of all your research that you have reported convinces me, even more, they are not of this world. Come on now Reptilians, Gecko Men, Bigfoot, Yowies, Dogman, Mothman what do you believe they are? I've listened to field researchers, academics (scientists) and none of them can come up with a satisfactory explanation.

I suppose it's a case of either you believe what the Bible says or you don't.

Have you watched this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k89GbURno84 everything these two dedicated researchers believe so do I.

[sensesonfire]

themanfromglad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:25 pm
In my field experience, the Bigfoot are definitely not demons. Reptilians and Dogman are pretty mean and therefore would be closer to demons, but still are not. Some Bigfoot are territorial and are primarily interested in their own safety. There prior human experience is most likely with low I.Q, gun toting red necks. Some will likely initially try to drive you off with some standard scare technique. Loud noises come across to us as scary so their just making a noise to let you know that they are there and are not a small animal, may tend to convince you that they are trying to scare you off. If you are able to convince them that you are not another jerk, it becomes possible to shape the interaction so that at worst they are neutral. But virtually all of the Bigfoot, welcome friendly interaction if you give it a chance. Even ones that start out trying to scare you out of the woods, can be quickly neutralized into one that enjoys being asked questions that they can provide a YES answer with a branch break. Since so few field researchers actually attempt to communicate with them.

Communicating with them didn't work out too well for the indigenous folk of Canada, the US, and Australia in the past. I believe they may appear malevolent now but that will change in the future.
The Choctaw Indians conjured up the Nashoba Chito ( Dogman) through black magic to counteract the marauding Bigfoot who were raiding their camps and stealing their women and children, not demons you say I won't have a bar of it.

[bassplyr]

If the choctaw conjured up dogman to fight bigfoot then why are dogmen seen in places nowhere near the choctaw like the dogmen seen in Kentucky or Michigan. Or even in places like the supposed sightings in Australia. How'd the dogmen get from Oklahoma to Australia. Choctaw sorcery can conjure dogmen anywhere in the world where the scourge of bigfoot must be fought? And howd they accomplish that using heretical religion that obviously is not in accord with the bible and Christianity. I mean the choctaw believed no god should be idolised or worshiped just that the great spirit be respected. Following the bible its clear god dont grant supernatural abilities to non believers. Maybe they tapped into satan to create the dogman to figh the evil of the pesky demonic sasquatch. Bigfoot a proposed hominid coveting other hominids women say it aint so. Thats so ...unhominid like they must be demons.

[sensesonfire]

If the choctaw conjured up dogman to fight bigfoot then why are dogmen seen in places nowhere near the choctaw like the dogmen seen in Kentucky or Michigan. Or even in places like the supposed sightings in Australia. How'd the dogmen get from Oklahoma to Australia. Choctaw sorcery can conjure dogmen anywhere in the world where the scourge of bigfoot must be fought? And howd they accomplish that using heretical religion that obviously is not in accord with the bible and Christianity. I mean the choctaw believed no god should be idolised or worshiped just that the great spirit be respected. Following the bible its clear god dont grant supernatural abilities to non believers. Maybe they tapped into satan to create the dogman to figh the evil of the pesky demonic sasquatch. Bigfoot a proposed hominid coveting other hominids women say it aint so. Thats so ...unhominid like they must be demons.

The only part of your incoherent rant that makes sense I suggest you p... off back to the main Yowie Forum where you can carry on to your heart's content with your usual ill-informed nonsense.

[bassplyr]

No everything i said made sense and raised some good points. I'm open to dogman maybe being a tulpa of sorts or an elemental that takes the form of the autochthonous psychological or even mass hysterical beliefs .

I suggest you open your mind when exploring the various possibilities of what phenomena like dogmen and bigfoot could be. Especially if youre taking the metaphysical approach instead of the "flesh and blood " taxonomic approach.

Its interesting. The whole line i added synopsizing your argument of the dogmen being created by the devil to fight another one of the devils creations, being bigfoot, was to highlight the nonsensical absurdity of that strategy and how flimsy an argument that is even for satan who instead of sowing mass confusion only seems to be confused himself. But it is interesting that its the only part that magically made sense to you.


"3.Leviticus 26:22 - KJV - New King James: I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate." Sounds like a pretty accurate description, from a certain perspective, of a lion or tiger or wolf or even a dingo. Lions and tigers must be demonic too according to your logic. Most telling indeed.


Manfromglad and i have had our differences before but i gotta side with him in regards to his last post denouncing bigfoot as demonic.

[bassplyr]

"Remember there is an element of truth behind ancient myths and legends."

Yeah invariably a twisting of the truth behind something more down to earth or mundane due to a lack of knowledge whether it be scientific or historical. For example the myth and legend of the Kraken probably fearful sightings of the misunderstood giant squid. In reference to a possible 8 foot tall ape like hominid that's often reported to be aggressive and possibly violent or at the very least exudes extreme strength and agility. It would make sense to revere, respect and fear such a thing. And make up plenty of tails about it as a warning. And for the very same reason why snakes, sharks, crocodiles, spiders and other assorted nasties have held similar positions in various cultures around the world. It's nearly instinctually engrained in us to fear or revere and talk a lot about things that can kill us.



"In the case of Bigfoot in The US and Sasquatch in Canada and Yowie in Australia, they have always been referred to as spiritual/mystical beings by the indigenous peoples "

Yeah and the native Americans also think the coyote is a spiritual mystical creature. But we all know the coyote is just a type of canine and not paranormal or mystical except in our own imaginings. I am open to tulpa like or elemental like things that manifest pertinent to the witnesses expectations be it subconscious or not.

[bassplyr]

If your passive night vision is making high pitched noise its because its old or cheap and youre hearing the old style or cheap style high voltage transformer inside it. . Gen 2 or higher dont make those high pitched sounds. Game cams might be using old technology. Invest in a gen 2 or higher.

Passive thermal cams dont make noise except when the shutter occasional clicks to correct or recalibrate its sensors but its a very soft click. Maybe really cheap ones do and suffer from similar issues old or cheap night vision uses.

Active infrared might actually be slightly visible to a sasquatch since it has a bank of infrared spectrum lights flooding the area its aimed at. Even to humans we can occasionally see a faint red hue to the infrared lights since the infrared spectrum active ir cameras use are very close to the actual red spectrum human eyes can see. I bet to a sasquach accustomed to low light nocturnal conditions it sticks out rather obviously.

Want to photograph sasquatch. Dont use game cameras with active ir. Don't use ancient gen 1 nightvision get gen 3. Real research costs money.

[themanfromglad]

William Draginis did a lot of research on high frequency noises that are emitted by trail cameras, that can alert a Bigfoot with supernatural hearing. I know from personal experience, they can hear a camcorder turn on at 50 to 75 yards away, while in a full gallup and intent on ripping every limb from your body. https://www.blogtalkradio.com/cryptolog ... l-research Regadless of whether they can hear game cameras or not, when you are walking to the location to set it up, setting it up and walking back, they can read your tiniest thought about what you were up to in their backyard. So your trail cameras position is being announced to the Bigfoot by you and there is nothing that you can do about it.

[sensesonfire]

I am so tired of trying to explain Biblical text to the unbelievers, scoffers, atheists. academics (nutty professors).
This passage from the Bible comes to mind.
Mathew 7:6.
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces''.

[gregvalentine]

I am so tired of trying to explain Biblical text to the unbelievers, scoffers, atheists. academics (nutty professors).
This passage from the Bible comes to mind.
Mathew 7:6.
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces''.

Well mate, give it up then. Your bible-bashing antics are frankly a tedious bore. Most intelligent people (in Australia at least) have given up this collection of fairy tales and are able to think for themselves . . .

[Dion]

Most intelligent people (in Australia at least) have given up this collection of fairy tales and are able to think for themselves . . .

It does not depend on who you classify as intelligent, who are you to judge?

There are three things I have learnt from your posts over the years;

1. your sarcasm and jokes
2. your correction of peoples spelling mistakes
3. your disprove for scripture

With all respect given, I cannot think of one time where you have described an experience or your personal belief system, so instead of putting other peoples down..... maybe its time you shared yours, instead of nit picking at others.

[adventurer]

I see no bible bashing going on here. It is simply somebodys beliefs. Keep a open mind, collect everyones information. You never know what will happen in the future. You will soon realise certain peoples views may come into play 1 day.

The first time i read Wellymons discussions, i thought oh my god, this guys nuts. Eventually some of his statements of what he said he saw happened to me. I knew i wasnt nuts so it just showed me not to close my mind on peoples views. Having people like glad and senses opening up on there beliefs allows people like me to share my beliefs. 1 day you will realise there is a common denominator in all of this.
And if you dont believe in the paranormal side you are doing things wrong. When i first got told this i felt like a complete fool going in the dark bush and speaking to the yowie. I think i said " i am not here to harm you nor do i want to be harmed. I am here to learn your ways" I made myself do it and that is why they communicate with me. The yowie WONT be fooled! They know who you are, they know if your a hunter, they know if you have weapons! The Yowie will eventually show you the amazing things they can do.
Dont sit on a lounge chair, go out to the same spot regularly, give them your trust, you are entering there domain.You will connect more without technology, i know then it is all heresay and theres no proof, but we may get more answers and work out where to go from there. Give it a go. Dee

[sensesonfire]

Most intelligent people (in Australia at least) have given up this collection of fairy tales and are able to think for themselves . . .

It does not depend on who you classify as intelligent, who are you to judge?

There are three things I have learnt from your posts over the years;

1. your sarcasm and jokes
2. your correction of peoples spelling mistakes
3. your disprove for scripture

With all respect given, I cannot think of one time where you have described an experience or your personal belief system, so instead of putting other peoples down..... maybe its time you shared yours, instead of nit picking at others.

Thank You, Dion, a man of logic and reason that's why you are a moderator.

[sensesonfire]

I see no bible bashing going on here. It is simply somebodys beliefs. Keep a open mind, collect everyones information. You never know what will happen in the future. You will soon realise certain peoples views may come into play 1 day.

The first time i read Wellymons discussions, i thought oh my god, this guys nuts. Eventually some of his statements of what he said he saw happened to me. I knew i wasnt nuts so it just showed me not to close my mind on peoples views. Having people like glad and senses opening up on there beliefs allows people like me to share my beliefs. 1 day you will realise there is a common denominator in all of this.
And if you dont believe in the paranormal side you are doing things wrong. When i first got told this i felt like a complete fool going in the dark bush and speaking to the yowie. I think i said " i am not here to harm you nor do i want to be harmed. I am here to learn your ways" I made myself do it and that is why they communicate with me. The yowie WONT be fooled! They know who you are, they know if your a hunter, they know if you have weapons! The Yowie will eventually show you the amazing things they can do.
Dont sit on a lounge chair, go out to the same spot regularly, give them your trust, you are entering there domain.You will connect more without technology, i know then it is all heresay and theres no proof, but we may get more answers and work out where to go from there. Give it a go. Dee

Thanks, adventurer always interested in what you have to say knowledge gained through experience is always greater than hearsay.( myself included)
You're right about Wellymon always insightful it's a little disappointing he doesn't report anymore

[adventurer]

Hi Senses,
I think Welly came out with his theories at a time when there was little paranormal believers out there.He tried to get his point across and in the end got fed up trying to tell his side then got slammed by so many people. When Welly came out with the yowie shapeshifting into a bush turkey thats when things went hay wire on this forum.To this day occasionally you will still read the odd joke about the bush turkey from the f & B believers. I still spoke to him regularly for some time after that, but dont hear from him often now. His backyard literally was the blue mountains so saw so much on a daily basis.
You sure do need thick skin to remain on this forum.
It is easier now for us to state what we have observed as more and more people have come forward since believing the yowie does have such powers.
I have had private emails from people on this forum writing to me and even sending videos through of paranormal activity in the bush, and still wont discuss it openly here, they feel safe and not judged staying on the f & B side.
Rain has stopped me going back out once again , but if it dries up before the week end ill be back in the bush sat night. I dont like seeing what i see out there but its the only way to find out more about the hairees. Dee

[sensesonfire]

Hi Senses,
I think Welly came out with his theories at a time when there was little paranormal believers out there.He tried to get his point across and in the end got fed up trying to tell his side then got slammed by so many people. When Welly came out with the yowie shapeshifting into a bush turkey thats when things went hay wire on this forum.To this day occasionally you will still read the odd joke about the bush turkey from the f & B believers. I still spoke to him regularly for some time after that, but dont hear from him often now. His backyard literally was the blue mountains so saw so much on a daily basis.
You sure do need thick skin to remain on this forum.
It is easier now for us to state what we have observed as more and more people have come forward since believing the yowie does have such powers.
I have had private emails from people on this forum writing to me and even sending videos through of paranormal activity in the bush, and still wont discuss it openly here, they feel safe and not judged staying on the f & B side.
Rain has stopped me going back out once again , but if it dries up before the week end ill be back in the bush sat night. I dont like seeing what i see out there but its the only way to find out more about the hairees. Dee

Yes, you are right Dee it is sad when we have to suppress what we have observed because of offending the senses of the F&B brigade. When Welly observed the Yowie shapeshifting into a bush turkey is probably as unbelievable to the aggrieved and sensitive as themanfromglad's report of the little Gecko men jumping around his tent but I don't doubt either account one bit even though I've never had the privilege to observe such an event.

I'm not backward in coming forward to stand up to what are my beliefs and I'm sure neither are you. I've had a few emails in support one stating how he notices how I'm singled out over my convictions but I've got a thick hide it won't stop me.

People want to hear about our paranormal beliefs and in your case actual encounters, I believe the public is looking for alternative explanations than the general mundane F&B stories which generally provides very little detail and no proof.
Anyway all the best with your endeavors back in the bush on Sat night that must be one hell of an exciting experience.

[Yowie bait]

Hi Senses,
I think Welly came out with his theories at a time when there was little paranormal believers out there.He tried to get his point across and in the end got fed up trying to tell his side then got slammed by so many people. When Welly came out with the yowie shapeshifting into a bush turkey thats when things went hay wire on this forum.To this day occasionally you will still read the odd joke about the bush turkey from the f & B believers. I still spoke to him regularly for some time after that, but dont hear from him often now. His backyard literally was the blue mountains so saw so much on a daily basis.
You sure do need thick skin to remain on this forum.
It is easier now for us to state what we have observed as more and more people have come forward since believing the yowie does have such powers.
I have had private emails from people on this forum writing to me and even sending videos through of paranormal activity in the bush, and still wont discuss it openly here, they feel safe and not judged staying on the f & B side.
Rain has stopped me going back out once again , but if it dries up before the week end ill be back in the bush sat night. I dont like seeing what i see out there but its the only way to find out more about the hairees. Dee

Yes, you are right Dee it is sad when we have to suppress what we have observed because of offending the senses of the F&B brigade. When Welly observed the Yowie shapeshifting into a bush turkey is probably as unbelievable to the aggrieved and sensitive as themanfromglad's report of the little Gecko men jumping around his tent but I don't doubt either account one bit even though I've never had the privilege to observe such an event.

I'm not backward in coming forward to stand up to what are my beliefs and I'm sure neither are you. I've had a few emails in support one stating how he notices how I'm singled out over my convictions but I've got a thick hide it won't stop me.

People want to hear about our paranormal beliefs and in your case actual encounters, I believe the public is looking for alternative explanations than the general mundane F&B stories which generally provides very little detail and no proof.
Anyway all the best with your endeavors back in the bush on Sat night that must be one hell of an exciting experience.

Guys people are having experiences but theyre not sharing them because they are protecting the hairys. It is not as it seems. I work in people's houses. Usually 5 or 6 a day different people i meet. Sometimes one or two depending on the job. Its amazing what they tell me without any prompting. Usually i just say " wow lots of wildlife around here " or something like that.

One guy saw what sounded like a junjudee just sitting across the road from the house in a newly developed area with bush nearby. Worked for him recently and he has had another experience elsewhere. He is part Aboriginal.

Others tell me the strangest stuff that they see. One girl even had footage of this awesome little thing that flies around the house. I was actually sent there to investigate this thing because the real estate thought it was a gas leak or problem with the lights and sent multiple various tradies over to shut her up. Theres no gas at the place and the lights are fine. It was this weird thing and she was sick of them patronising her so she got some footage.


Some other guys i know stayed on this property and had the strangest experiences. Both saw the same things and didnt mention it to each other at first but did eventually.

They mentioned it to the owner of the property and he said without pause something like " oh thats just the fckn portal or whatever it is down the back. Weird s@#t comes out of there and if you saw the little ones then the big ones would have been out and about too"!!

Some of these properties have been inhabited by multiple generations so its common but secret knowledge they dont always talk about to just anyone.

Not everyone is going to talk about it publicly and share their footage either.

[adventurer]

Hi YB, hope all is good.
Yes i was talking about the people that type on the forum regularly that feel uncomfortable to open up. I understand there are many many people out in the public that dont want to talk about it, and thats there discretion. But if those who want to chat on a forum they need to not feel attacked so they can open up.
Remember i was a F & B believer at the beginning so i completely understand there view point. And as iv said so many times They wont believe the para side until they see it with there own eyes. We get discredited from people that dont even go in the bush so how would they ever know what the truth is.
I bet you hear lots of great stories, some are fascinating. Dee

[Rusty2]

[ it is sad when we have to suppress what we have observed because of offending the senses of the F&B brigade.

The controversial section is where you can let it all out without supressing yourself . Go for it .

[Yowie bait]

Hi YB, hope all is good.
Yes i was talking about the people that type on the forum regularly that feel uncomfortable to open up. I understand there are many many people out in the public that dont want to talk about it, and thats there discretion. But if those who want to chat on a forum they need to not feel attacked so they can open up.
Remember i was a F & B believer at the beginning so i completely understand there view point. And as iv said so many times They wont believe the para side until they see it with there own eyes. We get discredited from people that dont even go in the bush so how would they ever know what the truth is.
I bet you hear lots of great stories, some are fascinating. Dee

Hi Dee. You will have to get some evidence and prove them wrong or just dont worry and enjoy what your doing and having these experiences and trying to work them out.

I doubt anyone is going to agree 100 percent on a lot of these things. I dont see the point of taking sides and i dont know what the yowie is anyway. Ill take either type experience!



Most peoples encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted so its gping to be hard to convince them its paranormal when they have seen or think they've seen something thats flesh and blood like them and vice versa for the paranormal type encounters.

I agree people should go out in the bush and have a look for themselves if they are able. Too much emphasis on going to the hotspots and remote areas that puts people off imo.

[sensesonfire]

Yowie bait commented: One guy saw what sounded like a junjudee just sitting across the road from the house in a newly developed area with bush nearby. Worked for him recently and he has had another experience elsewhere. He is part Aboriginal.

IMO Yowies and particularly the junjudee are more comfortable interacting with aboriginal people than others after all they are a big part of their culture.

I also believe that Yowies are raising their levels of interaction and are comfortable revealing their paranormal aspect especially if they feel at ease with the person such as adventurer and Jani from paracrpyt they do appear to be selective.

There are many instances where field researchers have been trying for years to connect with Yowies with very little success. They seem to be more reserved than Bigfoot in the US and if you have an open mind particularly with the paranormal you may very well be rewarded especially when they know you are not a threat.

[sensesonfire]

Hi YB, hope all is good.
Yes i was talking about the people that type on the forum regularly that feel uncomfortable to open up. I understand there are many many people out in the public that dont want to talk about it, and thats there discretion. But if those who want to chat on a forum they need to not feel attacked so they can open up.
Remember i was a F & B believer at the beginning so i completely understand there view point. And as iv said so many times They wont believe the para side until they see it with there own eyes. We get discredited from people that dont even go in the bush so how would they ever know what the truth is.
I bet you hear lots of great stories, some are fascinating. Dee

Hi Dee. You will have to get some evidence and prove them wrong or just dont worry and enjoy what your doing and having these experiences and trying to work them out.

I doubt anyone is going to agree 100 percent on a lot of these things. I dont see the point of taking sides and i dont know what the yowie is anyway. Ill take either type experience!



Most peoples encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted so its gping to be hard to convince them its paranormal when they have seen or think they've seen something thats flesh and blood like them and vice versa for the paranormal type encounters.

I agree people should go out in the bush and have a look for themselves if they are able. Too much emphasis on going to the hotspots and remote areas that puts people off imo.

Hi YB,
You say "Most people's encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted" [Unquote] very well said and the definitive word here is interpreted.
Most people use the Flesh and Blood conclusion but that has not been determined especially the blood bit yes you view them in what appears to be a physical form but that may not be as we know it so it's all just theoretical.

Not being argumentative here because your above statement was spot on.

[Yowie bait]

Hi YB, hope all is good.
Yes i was talking about the people that type on the forum regularly that feel uncomfortable to open up. I understand there are many many people out in the public that dont want to talk about it, and thats there discretion. But if those who want to chat on a forum they need to not feel attacked so they can open up.
Remember i was a F & B believer at the beginning so i completely understand there view point. And as iv said so many times They wont believe the para side until they see it with there own eyes. We get discredited from people that dont even go in the bush so how would they ever know what the truth is.
I bet you hear lots of great stories, some are fascinating. Dee

Hi Dee. You will have to get some evidence and prove them wrong or just dont worry and enjoy what your doing and having these experiences and trying to work them out.

I doubt anyone is going to agree 100 percent on a lot of these things. I dont see the point of taking sides and i dont know what the yowie is anyway. Ill take either type experience!



Most peoples encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted so its gping to be hard to convince them its paranormal when they have seen or think they've seen something thats flesh and blood like them and vice versa for the paranormal type encounters.

I agree people should go out in the bush and have a look for themselves if they are able. Too much emphasis on going to the hotspots and remote areas that puts people off imo.

Hi YB,
You say "Most people's encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted" [Unquote] very well said and the definitive word here is interpreted.
Most people use the Flesh and Blood conclusion but that has not been determined especially the blood bit yes you view them in what appears to be a physical form but that may not be as we know it so it's all just theoretical.

Not being argumentative here because your above statement was spot on.

I would think it would be more common that encounters would be interpreted as a flesh and blood being because the majority of us are conditioned to not entertain thoughts of paranormal beings and pre convinced they dont exist.

Also it's possible to interpret it as a paranormal experience when the yowie is exhibiting their physical side as well because it is all so quick and unnatural to us.

Ill tell you this because you have a genuine interest in this stuff. Im sure no one else will read it.

After the encounter my mate and I had, we went over it again and again for years but never discussed it as adults because, believe it or not, I didn't want to talk about it. One of my many theories was that it was all the one thing and it changed size or shapeshifted even though i didnt know what shape-shifting was.

Even now I can remember my thought process and emotions I experienced at the time. I can even see the shallow creek beds we crossed with the lines of black sand and patterns while looking down and then looking up at the creature again.

I can see the whole thing go down in my head still plain as day including clear images of its face and body. The different smells it had and what it was doing and the noise. I even remember wiping its spit off my face and head after it went away while we were still running and my mate asking if I was ok.

Thing is I can barely remember anything of the night at all before the event and the one thing I do remember is something mirroring our footsteps and us stopping and yelling out to see if someone was there.

Youd think that would be something we would remember but we never discussed it or associated it with the encounter.

Also you would think that after hearing that and being sure there was something there that we would of got out of there as quickly as we could?

Mind manipulation to make us keep walking maybe?. We were also very calm up until the thing screamed at us and the scream itself was like being in another world!

Some really scary images of its face I have, one in particular, I cant see but if my brain lets me see it then I have a flash of another bad childhood memory. Weird!

I had another experience I mentioned on the forum and got flack for and its weird too the way my mind deals with it and splits it up into parts even though I never took my eyes off the thing once I saw it.

Ive also walked for kilometers in that area that im very familiar with and never crossed any walking tracks even though theres walking tracks crisscrossing the area.

Also been walked in circles and back to my car, walked back to where I was and ended up walking back to the car again when I wasnt ready to leave. Seen a few researchers say that too on this forum.

Im pretty sure they can mess with our heads or something can but I still dont really consider that paranormal.

[sensesonfire]

Hi Dee. You will have to get some evidence and prove them wrong or just dont worry and enjoy what your doing and having these experiences and trying to work them out.

I doubt anyone is going to agree 100 percent on a lot of these things. I dont see the point of taking sides and i dont know what the yowie is anyway. Ill take either type experience!



Most peoples encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted so its gping to be hard to convince them its paranormal when they have seen or think they've seen something thats flesh and blood like them and vice versa for the paranormal type encounters.

I agree people should go out in the bush and have a look for themselves if they are able. Too much emphasis on going to the hotspots and remote areas that puts people off imo.

Hi YB,
You say "Most people's encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted" [Unquote] very well said and the definitive word here is interpreted.
Most people use the Flesh and Blood conclusion but that has not been determined especially the blood bit yes you view them in what appears to be a physical form but that may not be as we know it so it's all just theoretical.

Not being argumentative here because your above statement was spot on.

I would think it would be more common that encounters would be interpreted as a flesh and blood being because the majority of us are conditioned to not entertain thoughts of paranormal beings and pre convinced they dont exist.

Also it's possible to interpret it as a paranormal experience when the yowie is exhibiting their physical side as well because it is all so quick and unnatural to us.

Ill tell you this because you have a genuine interest in this stuff. Im sure no one else will read it.

After the encounter my mate and I had, we went over it again and again for years but never discussed it as adults because, believe it or not, I didn't want to talk about it. One of my many theories was that it was all the one thing and it changed size or shapeshifted even though i didnt know what shape-shifting was.

Even now I can remember my thought process and emotions I experienced at the time. I can even see the shallow creek beds we crossed with the lines of black sand and patterns while looking down and then looking up at the creature again.

I can see the whole thing go down in my head still plain as day including clear images of its face and body. The different smells it had and what it was doing and the noise. I even remember wiping its spit off my face and head after it went away while we were still running and my mate asking if I was ok.

Thing is I can barely remember anything of the night at all before the event and the one thing I do remember is something mirroring our footsteps and us stopping and yelling out to see if someone was there.

Youd think that would be something we would remember but we never discussed it or associated it with the encounter.

Also you would think that after hearing that and being sure there was something there that we would of got out of there as quickly as we could?

Mind manipulation to make us keep walking maybe?. We were also very calm up until the thing screamed at us and the scream itself was like being in another world!

Some really scary images of its face I have, one in particular, I cant see but if my brain lets me see it then I have a flash of another bad childhood memory. Weird!

I had another experience I mentioned on the forum and got flack for and its weird too the way my mind deals with it and splits it up into parts even though I never took my eyes off the thing once I saw it.

Ive also walked for kilometers in that area that im very familiar with and never crossed any walking tracks even though theres walking tracks crisscrossing the area.

Also been walked in circles and back to my car, walked back to where I was and ended up walking back to the car again when I wasnt ready to leave. Seen a few researchers say that too on this forum.

Im pretty sure they can mess with our heads or something can but I still dont really consider that paranormal.

G'day yowie bait,
You've been privileged to some fantastic encounters. I'm wondering how many people out there have had similar encounters but just won't talk about it. Maybe more than we think. I've mentioned this before my aunt bless her is 88 now but still, has all her memories intact and told me of a terrifying encounter when she was 7years old it occurred in the goldfields of WA.

She and her sisters shared a bedroom which was actually semi-detached to the main house it was about 1:00 am and she awoke to see a large hairy ape-like creature with glowing red eyes and a cone-shaped head squatting, staring at her at the end of the bed in those days no one locked bedroom doors so it had obviously entered at will. Naturally, she started to scream and by the time her parents got there, it had gone.

My aunt never told anyone about the encounter in her life except me as she said who would believe her?

I'm just hypothesizing here she is a devout Christian and I told her that could have very well have saved her from being an abductee casualty.

I can understand you not wanting to put a paranormal tag on all of this but we have to ask ourselves what sought of creature F&B or otherwise, can accomplish all of this weird behaviour and then expect we humans to come up with a reasonable deduction of what they are - we can't.

I have no scientific expertise to explain all of this but I do have other avenues to explore which most people don't want to hear although I should change that too didn't want to hear but IMO that is very much starting to change.

How can people have no idea about the origins of Yowie/Bigfoot I'm not going to include Dogman because that is way above the realms of their understanding yet outright reject a paranormal explanation which suggests to me a strong case for reasonable doubt?

[Yowie bait]

Hi YB,
You say "Most people's encounters seem to be of the flesh and blood type or at least that's how it was interpreted" [Unquote] very well said and the definitive word here is interpreted.
Most people use the Flesh and Blood conclusion but that has not been determined especially the blood bit yes you view them in what appears to be a physical form but that may not be as we know it so it's all just theoretical.

Not being argumentative here because your above statement was spot on.

I would think it would be more common that encounters would be interpreted as a flesh and blood being because the majority of us are conditioned to not entertain thoughts of paranormal beings and pre convinced they dont exist.

Also it's possible to interpret it as a paranormal experience when the yowie is exhibiting their physical side as well because it is all so quick and unnatural to us.

Ill tell you this because you have a genuine interest in this stuff. Im sure no one else will read it.

After the encounter my mate and I had, we went over it again and again for years but never discussed it as adults because, believe it or not, I didn't want to talk about it. One of my many theories was that it was all the one thing and it changed size or shapeshifted even though i didnt know what shape-shifting was.

Even now I can remember my thought process and emotions I experienced at the time. I can even see the shallow creek beds we crossed with the lines of black sand and patterns while looking down and then looking up at the creature again.

I can see the whole thing go down in my head still plain as day including clear images of its face and body. The different smells it had and what it was doing and the noise. I even remember wiping its spit off my face and head after it went away while we were still running and my mate asking if I was ok.

Thing is I can barely remember anything of the night at all before the event and the one thing I do remember is something mirroring our footsteps and us stopping and yelling out to see if someone was there.

Youd think that would be something we would remember but we never discussed it or associated it with the encounter.

Also you would think that after hearing that and being sure there was something there that we would of got out of there as quickly as we could?

Mind manipulation to make us keep walking maybe?. We were also very calm up until the thing screamed at us and the scream itself was like being in another world!

Some really scary images of its face I have, one in particular, I cant see but if my brain lets me see it then I have a flash of another bad childhood memory. Weird!

I had another experience I mentioned on the forum and got flack for and its weird too the way my mind deals with it and splits it up into parts even though I never took my eyes off the thing once I saw it.

Ive also walked for kilometers in that area that im very familiar with and never crossed any walking tracks even though theres walking tracks crisscrossing the area.

Also been walked in circles and back to my car, walked back to where I was and ended up walking back to the car again when I wasnt ready to leave. Seen a few researchers say that too on this forum.

Im pretty sure they can mess with our heads or something can but I still dont really consider that paranormal.

G'day yowie bait,
You've been privileged to some fantastic encounters. I'm wondering how many people out there have had similar encounters but just won't talk about it. Maybe more than we think. I've mentioned this before my aunt bless her is 88 now but still, has all her memories intact and told me of a terrifying encounter when she was 7years old it occurred in the goldfields of WA.

She and her sisters shared a bedroom which was actually semi-detached to the main house it was about 1:00 am and she awoke to see a large hairy ape-like creature with glowing red eyes and a cone-shaped head squatting, staring at her at the end of the bed in those days no one locked bedroom doors so it had obviously entered at will. Naturally, she started to scream and by the time her parents got there, it had gone.

My aunt never told anyone about the encounter in her life except me as she said who would believe her?

I'm just hypothesizing here she is a devout Christian and I told her that could have very well have saved her from being an abductee casualty.

I can understand you not wanting to put a paranormal tag on all of this but we have to ask ourselves what sought of creature F&B or otherwise, can accomplish all of this weird behaviour and then expect we humans to come up with a reasonable deduction of what they are - we can't.

I have no scientific expertise to explain all of this but I do have other avenues to explore which most people don't want to hear although I should change that too didn't want to hear but IMO that is very much starting to change.

How can people have no idea about the origins of Yowie/Bigfoot I'm not going to include Dogman because that is way above the realms of their understanding yet outright reject a paranormal explanation which suggests to me a strong case for reasonable doubt?

Hey Senses. Ive seen a few weird things. Enough to be convinced that a lot of what we are taught is probably wrong or misleading for whatever reason.

What your Auntie saw sure sounds like a yowie to me. It probably just walked in as you suggest and could have been watching her for hours!

Some might call that sleep paralysis these days but ive never read about Ape like creatures when reading about sleep paralysis.

Theyre usually crones or demon like entitys sitting on the chest or hovering near the bed. Im not so sure they are hallucinations with the sleep paralysis anyway. I cant see how the scientists or psychs could really test for that other than surveying people and making their own conclusions and theories .

Yeah surely Dogman is a paranormal thing. Theres a few very legit sounding skinwalker encounters from the U.S and witness sketches available.

The dogman encounters sound like a similar thing. Best footage ive seen is the h.d one on youtube where its chasing deer and extends up on its hind legs for last bit of the chase. Theres a few great breakdowns on this one but i cant recall the name of the guy. Im sure you know it!

If theres indigenous tales , folklore and pictures from thousands of years ago like on the pyramids then there must be something to it.

[sensesonfire]

I would think it would be more common that encounters would be interpreted as a flesh and blood being because the majority of us are conditioned to not entertain thoughts of paranormal beings and pre convinced they dont exist.

Also it's possible to interpret it as a paranormal experience when the yowie is exhibiting their physical side as well because it is all so quick and unnatural to us.

Ill tell you this because you have a genuine interest in this stuff. Im sure no one else will read it.

After the encounter my mate and I had, we went over it again and again for years but never discussed it as adults because, believe it or not, I didn't want to talk about it. One of my many theories was that it was all the one thing and it changed size or shapeshifted even though i didnt know what shape-shifting was.

Even now I can remember my thought process and emotions I experienced at the time. I can even see the shallow creek beds we crossed with the lines of black sand and patterns while looking down and then looking up at the creature again.

I can see the whole thing go down in my head still plain as day including clear images of its face and body. The different smells it had and what it was doing and the noise. I even remember wiping its spit off my face and head after it went away while we were still running and my mate asking if I was ok.

Thing is I can barely remember anything of the night at all before the event and the one thing I do remember is something mirroring our footsteps and us stopping and yelling out to see if someone was there.

Youd think that would be something we would remember but we never discussed it or associated it with the encounter.

Also you would think that after hearing that and being sure there was something there that we would of got out of there as quickly as we could?

Mind manipulation to make us keep walking maybe?. We were also very calm up until the thing screamed at us and the scream itself was like being in another world!

Some really scary images of its face I have, one in particular, I cant see but if my brain lets me see it then I have a flash of another bad childhood memory. Weird!

I had another experience I mentioned on the forum and got flack for and its weird too the way my mind deals with it and splits it up into parts even though I never took my eyes off the thing once I saw it.

Ive also walked for kilometers in that area that im very familiar with and never crossed any walking tracks even though theres walking tracks crisscrossing the area.

Also been walked in circles and back to my car, walked back to where I was and ended up walking back to the car again when I wasnt ready to leave. Seen a few researchers say that too on this forum.

Im pretty sure they can mess with our heads or something can but I still dont really consider that paranormal.

G'day yowie bait,
You've been privileged to some fantastic encounters. I'm wondering how many people out there have had similar encounters but just won't talk about it. Maybe more than we think. I've mentioned this before my aunt bless her is 88 now but still, has all her memories intact and told me of a terrifying encounter when she was 7years old it occurred in the goldfields of WA.

She and her sisters shared a bedroom which was actually semi-detached to the main house it was about 1:00 am and she awoke to see a large hairy ape-like creature with glowing red eyes and a cone-shaped head squatting, staring at her at the end of the bed in those days no one locked bedroom doors so it had obviously entered at will. Naturally, she started to scream and by the time her parents got there, it had gone.

My aunt never told anyone about the encounter in her life except me as she said who would believe her?

I'm just hypothesizing here she is a devout Christian and I told her that could have very well have saved her from being an abductee casualty.

I can understand you not wanting to put a paranormal tag on all of this but we have to ask ourselves what sought of creature F&B or otherwise, can accomplish all of this weird behaviour and then expect we humans to come up with a reasonable deduction of what they are - we can't.

I have no scientific expertise to explain all of this but I do have other avenues to explore which most people don't want to hear although I should change that too didn't want to hear but IMO that is very much starting to change.

How can people have no idea about the origins of Yowie/Bigfoot I'm not going to include Dogman because that is way above the realms of their understanding yet outright reject a paranormal explanation which suggests to me a strong case for reasonable doubt?

Hey Senses. Ive seen a few weird things. Enough to be convinced that a lot of what we are taught is probably wrong or misleading for whatever reason.

What your Auntie saw sure sounds like a yowie to me. It probably just walked in as you suggest and could have been watching her for hours!

Some might call that sleep paralysis these days but ive never read about Ape like creatures when reading about sleep paralysis.

Theyre usually crones or demon like entitys sitting on the chest or hovering near the bed. Im not so sure they are hallucinations with the sleep paralysis anyway. I cant see how the scientists or psychs could really test for that other than surveying people and making their own conclusions and theories .

Yeah surely Dogman is a paranormal thing. Theres a few very legit sounding skinwalker encounters from the U.S and witness sketches available.

The dogman encounters sound like a similar thing. Best footage ive seen is the h.d one on youtube where its chasing deer and extends up on its hind legs for last bit of the chase. Theres a few great breakdowns on this one but i cant recall the name of the guy. Im sure you know it!

If theres indigenous tales , folklore and pictures from thousands of years ago like on the pyramids then there must be something to it.

Hi YB,

This may be the video you are referring too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1l6ueDTwlg good video.

[Yowie bait]

Thanks Senses but i have seen that. I will link the one i mean if I find it. Its kind of recent and good quality and broken down very well. There is a large wolf in the video at least and its chasing deer i think in a forest. They say it rises to hind legs at the end but hard to say for sure.

[Thecreeper]

Instead of flesh and blood vs paranormal could there be both like people see ghosts and stuff like that could it be thst some people experience ghosts of yowies and spirits then others see real living yowies ?
Other thing i was thinking with people experiencing ufos in the same areas as yowie sightings could it be more they no about them and are studying them or u could get real wacky after watching stuff on bob lazzar and say it could be government doing surveillance on the creatures?

[sensesonfire]

Couldn't elaborate on this AYR video on the Main Yowie Forum but I can here AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture, and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy18O7 ... XP6KWv8gpQ I've viewed most of the videos presented on this forum and I'm more convinced than ever that we are not dealing with an inexplicable flesh and blood creature that happens to be inhabiting the bush of Australia and has been apparently for hundreds of years. The videos do persuade me into believing we are dealing with metaphysical creatures I will use the word supernatural instead of paranormal because to me it has a stronger implication.

The US equivalent Bigfoot/Sasquatch of the Australian Yowie has been reported more than 50,000 times over the last 50 years yet we are no closer to understanding, capturing, photographing, interacting with them. Same with the Yowie supposedly there are thousands roaming along the eastern seaboard of Australia yet absolutely no proof to determine their existence or what they are.

Now any logical, mildly intelligent person would ask the question how can this be? Unless we are dealing with paranormal beings that have ultimate supernatural abilities.

The terrifying ordeal that this man endured will probably affect him for the rest of his life. It wasn't a rational fear it was a supernatural fear and this was obviously going through his mind describing the small life form leaning against his tent as looking like a Maori mask intently demonic and all those who believe in a paranormal theory should know that the deep forests are the abode of demons and the tall ghostly figure with one diamond-shaped red eye (also a demon characteristic) standing near his car then squatting down and crab-walking under his ute which I suspect a 9-foot flesh and blood animal would have difficulty in achieving. These creatures have the ability to impart an irrational fear that is beyond the capabilities of any wild animal on this planet and it is a fear that you will inherit for the rest of your life. Another AYR video that convinced me we are dealing with the supernatural is this one Yowie Sighting (Audio Report #148), at Brisbane Water National Park, New South Wales The Woy Woy Dogman Report. I'm prepared to lay information on the table that I concur is factual because this I believe is what people want to read. And here are a few more videos of like-minded believers. The Bigfoot Nephilim Connection - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5CGb... Sasquatch is a form of Nephilim - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rNME... Cannibalistic Bigfoot/Nephilim - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3uJ2...

Please all the negative commenters stay away unless you can debate with a positive, alternative theory.

[sensesonfire]

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