UFO PUZZLE

[Searcher]

It could be called a conundrum. ET craft that seem capable of travelling within our solar system, possibly across the Milky Way galaxy and maybe even travelling beyond through inter-galactic space in the universe… yet there are dozens of reported crashes worldwide.

How is it possible the space visitors can traverse the stars but not be able to fly without periodically crashing while in Earth’s atmosphere?

In theory, these supposedly super advanced civilizations should have elevated themselves above such things as simple equipment failure. The UFO enigma is full of confusion for us mere humans. There is much we simply don't understand. I cry out for full disclosure of what is actually known by governments about UFOs and their occupants. There is no doubt they know a lot!

I firmly believe the 1947 Roswell crash actually happened. There are over 200 witnesses who were directly involved in some way and have maintained confirmation of this for their entire lives. I never get tired of reading or watching documentaries about Roswell.

Perhaps some of these alien craft could have been shot down? Damaged in some way by earthly fire as our aircraft engaged them. That’s foolish at best and I think the least likely. I point to the well documented Iran case, where a jet fighter had it's weapons system shut down by a UFO. New laser beam technology could have the power to destroy UFOs in flight, but to my mind it would be totally naive to engage in a weapons fight with highly advanced beings.

Perhaps it is more plausible they are shooting each other down. This amazing 16th Century report suggests warring ET factions do fight each other in our skies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shCDhVoU5bg

[bassplyr]

There may be that some of the reported ufos are alien and not human in origen. The Nuremberg incident gives one something to think about.

But its possible most ufos seen in the modern era are not traversing the galaxy and are homebrewed. And, that they are the ones that have crashed.

Perhaps the early models of "ufo" had particularly unstable drive fields while going through technological teething pains. But, that due to an evolution of technology are much more stable these days. There arent very many contemporary ufo crashes lately, nor instances of electrical disruption in the vicinity reported as often anymore. Perhaps thats tied in with proposed changes. Maybe the older models fell to the ground because getting blasted by powerful radar in the right frequency range disrupted their drive fields stability.

With the tehran incident. Sounds like someone launched a particular type of electronic counter measure at the jets.

A real puzzle worth figuring out is why electronics failed and then began working again. An emp would just fry electronics. They wouldn't restart afterwards. Plasma would be very hot and would also not do that to the aircraft. Maybe EM permittivity and permiability are altered due to the drive field and once out side the influence of the field return to normal allowing electronics to function again. Humans also need a lot of electric potential to send signals along synapses maybe the proposed altered permittivity and permiability in proximity of said drive field make brains go wonky too if not shielded by something like big bulbous helmets causing alice in wonderland type effects in their perceptions.

Its definitely a fascinating subject

[Yowie bait]

Nice video Searcher. Always thought that sky battle over Germany was a legit ufo encounter. What a sight to wake up to!

As for all these so called man made ufos. I did believe that for quite awhile but i just don't see how we are making the saucers and other non plane looking ufos.

If we did they would have been weaponised by now and used in warfare. Also why is Branson and co using plane type/conventional looking craft for their orbit trips as the craft of choice and not saucers??

I just dont believe we have the technology perfected. Not yet anyway!

[bassplyr]

Regarding why elon musk and richard branson types arent cruising around in ufos. Maybe they operate on a principle that was stumbled across on accident by another industry related to aerospace that has primarily military contracts. It could be it was a novel application of two seemingly disparate technologies and that you wouldn't independently stumble across it on your own unless you were in a specific business and industry that branson types arent in.

Regarding why not militarise it? Its possible that the primary mechanism behind the drive field makes it so its not so easy to simply weaponise. Maybe bullets and missiles wont fare so well traveling through said field and beam weapons might adversely effect said field disrupting how the ufo operates leading to crashes or other mishaps. If so, and if academics from major universities or industry associated with such technology were in on it, they might agree with keeping secrecy for safety sake.

Why not go public with the devices. What the drive field does might be disruptive economically. It might also be very dangerous if something were to go wrong and lead to a catastrophe. A guy meaning well playing mister wizard in his garage could accidentally take out the neighbourhood if it was so that the technology is dangerous in the wrong hands. Also, consider all the instances of electrical malfunction and other assorted zany-ness associated with (hypothetically) the earlier models before possibly the technology matured out of such "technical difficulties." You wouldn't want people experimenting with that sorta thing in the neighbourhood and accidentally causing chaos. And its potentially possible that until the technology matured to a reasonable safe level a lot of early flights had a lot of casualties. If that were the case, the govt might want to keep it on the down low while writing a lot of " John Doe met his fate in an unfortunate helicopter accident" letters to families and not want to create public uproar.

If E=MC2, which is really M=E/C2 and you accidentally figured out one day a while back how to change one of the variables in that equation, it could potentially be although very useful in a limited capacity but also very dangerous if misunderstood and misapplied. I'm sure there are good reasons a potential technology such as the topic of this thread would be tightly controlled and kept quiet.

Thats my speculation.

[Searcher]

G’day Yowie bait. I agree with your thoughts. It’s also a bit of a puzzle to me as to why NASA (Never A Straight Answer) and private enterprise continue to pour billions into developing chemical rockets when they already know how to make anti gravity craft Is the black budget TR-3B real??

The US government has supposedly been back engineering crashed craft since the 1940’s. It is relatively common to see ‘strange lights’ performing in unconventional ways near Area 51 in Nevada. Colonel Philip J. Corso, former Army Intelligence officer and Chief of the Pentagon’s Foreign Technology desk describes in his book ‘The Day After Roswell’ how he integrated captured alien technology into society for the benefit if humanity. Corso died of a “massive heart attack” in 1998.

Eisenhower famously said to “beware the military/industrial complex”. Some of these are the clandestine groups that now build reverse engineered versions of captured alien craft under the auspices of the CIA. If Betty Cash were still alive, she would testify to that. (Check out the Cash-Landrum incident on You Tube if you want to know more)

Also concur with a lot of bassplyr’s speculation. I’ve been reading about all this stuff for many decades. However, even with all that information, I can still only surmise or take a wild guess as to the real truth. Sad but true.

It is clear the US agencies that are “keepers of the secrets” are not yet ready to divulge this sensational information to the public. No doubt the military and CIA want to keep on developing any captured technology for strategic purposes.

[bassplyr]

I'm not convinced that ufos are captured and reverse engineered technology. In fact, I'm quite convinced they are not.

One thing to keep in mind about anything classified. Its all compartmentalized. A Top Secret clearance of any level doesnt make you master of the universe or the key master. Just because you have a clearance at xyz level doesnt mean its cleared you to know about anything you arent specifically written in on. The best you can get is rumours about projects that might be going on literally next door to whatever you're working on. So its very plausible, i say by design, that a whole division in some high tech aerospace corp will not know anything or even hear a whisper about anything going on in other parts of the company. Therefore, you're going to see Boeing building a rocket based x-37, while elsewhere at the same company they could be quietly developing "anti-gravity" like devices.

The description of the vehicle in the cash landrum incident sounds like some type of flamejet generator. Which, to me, is suggestive of what the vehicle was experimenting with and trying to achieve.

My belief is that the TR-3b as described by Fouche is not real. Are there things out there that resemble it and manuever like one. In my opinion, oh yeah. But, i dont think its called the TR-3b, or that it works on any principles that Fouche proposed. For instance, rotating plasma at that atmospheric pressure and cyclical speed makes no sense.

I often wonder if people are looking at things the wrong way when they chase anti gravity and electrogravitics research.

[gregvalentine]

It could be called a conundrum. ET craft that seem capable of travelling within our solar system, possibly across the Milky Way galaxy and maybe even travelling beyond through inter-galactic space in the universe… yet there are dozens of reported crashes worldwide.

How is it possible the space visitors can traverse the stars but not be able to fly without periodically crashing while in Earth’s atmosphere?

"Mother" ships and "Scout" ships . . .

[Searcher]

bassplyr wrote:

I'm not convinced that ufos are captured and reverse engineered technology. In fact, I'm quite convinced they are not.

Hi bassplyr. You seem to have a fair grasp of UFO history, so I would expect you know all about the Disclosure Project. For those that don’t know, over 200 ex military, intelligence, government and other witnesses have testified as to their knowledge and first hand experience about UFOs. Many spoke in detail about captured craft. All are prepared to testify on oath to Congress that they are telling the truth.
The Disclose Project claims:

“The recorded testimony of scores of military, government and other witnesses to Unidentified Flying Objects and Extraterrestrial events and projects from around the world establishes the existence of a UFO/Extraterrestrial presence on and around Earth. This recorded testimony consists of dozens of first-hand, often top-secret witnesses to UFO and Extraterrestrial events, internal UFO-related government projects and covert activities, space-based weapons programs, Extraterrestrial Intelligence, and covert, reverse-engineered energy and propulsion system projects. The technologies that are of an Extraterrestrial origin, when publicly released within a planned transition period, will provide solutions to global environmental and security challenges.

These numerous recorded witnesses constitute only a small portion of a vast pool of identified present or former military, intelligence, corporate, aviator, flight control, law enforcement officers, scientists and other witnesses, who will come forward when subpoenaed to testify at Congressional hearings. Without a grant of immunity releasing them from their security oaths, many such unimpeachable witnesses fear to speak out.”

What I am saying is that if just ONE of the testimonies from these many high ranked officials is true, then reverse engineering of UFOs is a fact. I simply don’t believe the witnesses are all making up stories. It defies logic and common sense. It certainly convinces me as to the reality of reverse engineered alien craft.

I would be most interested to hear the reasons why you are convinced that a UFO has never crashed on planet Earth.

[Yowie bait]

G’day Yowie bait. I agree with your thoughts. It’s also a bit of a puzzle to me as to why NASA (Never A Straight Answer) and private enterprise continue to pour billions into developing chemical rockets when they already know how to make anti gravity craft Is the black budget TR-3B real??

The US government has supposedly been back engineering crashed craft since the 1940’s. It is relatively common to see ‘strange lights’ performing in unconventional ways near Area 51 in Nevada. Colonel Philip J. Corso, former Army Intelligence officer and Chief of the Pentagon’s Foreign Technology desk describes in his book ‘The Day After Roswell’ how he integrated captured alien technology into society for the benefit if humanity. Corso died of a “massive heart attack” in 1998.

Eisenhower famously said to “beware the military/industrial complex”. Some of these are the clandestine groups that now build reverse engineered versions of captured alien craft under the auspices of the CIA. If Betty Cash were still alive, she would testify to that. (Check out the Cash-Landrum incident on You Tube if you want to know more)

Also concur with a lot of bassplyr’s speculation. I’ve been reading about all this stuff for many decades. However, even with all that information, I can still only surmise or take a wild guess as to the real truth. Sad but true.

It is clear the US agencies that are “keepers of the secrets” are not yet ready to divulge this sensational information to the public. No doubt the military and CIA want to keep on developing any captured technology for strategic purposes.

Hi Searcher. Thanks for mentioning the Cash -Landrum incident. These types of events are good reason for any man made type craft to be well and truly covered up like what would happen if an experimenral craft was revealed and then crash landed and blew up half a town. More cover ups i suppose....

I will look into these experiments you and Bassplayer have mentioned. Who knows what theyre up to?

[Yowie88]

I also have pondered this question as to why UFO's crash, and it does my head in. Searcher you mentioned electrical interference and my mind immediately remembers watching a Foxtel doc called "Close Encounters".

A high profile French Doctor (who nursing an injury) had an amazing encounter on his property, unsure of the year but may have been the 60's or 70's. He was awaken by what sounded like a massive electrical storm outside and proceeds to investigate. What he saw was two large saucer shaped UFO's facing each other, they were tilted on their side so that the flatten side of the crafts were facing each other!

And hear was the truly strange part; the UFO's were "emitting" or "exchanging" bolt electricity between each other. After a short time the UFO"s seemed to "merge" into one giant craft and preceded to head towards the Doctor, who was standing outside his front door watching in utter amazement. The Doctor began to turn around and limber back but the UFO was right on top of him. Cannot recall but a beam of light may have zapped the Doc as he tried to hurry inside his house.

To cut a long story short, he told his wife who was awake in pure excitement when the wife had a WTF moment and said to the husband; "you have been healed, the scare (cannot recall exactly) is completely gone!

This Doc was very well known in his (I think) French Country community.

[Searcher]

G’day Yowie88. That’s a very unusual case involving the French doctor. I recall reading about it years ago. Another famous case that involves a disc perhaps in some sort of trouble is the amazing account given by Father Gill in New Guinea in 1959.

Along with 38 other witnesses, they watched alien creatures actually wave back to them as they worked on something on the saucer’s deck. It was a long and detailed sighting and took place over many hours and two days. Watch a short video below.

I have just finished re-reading Major Donald Keyhoe’s excellent book “Flying Saucers From Outer Space”. I first read it around 1970 and it was good to go over the old cases from the 50’s and 60’s again. My point is there are hundreds of thousands of sightings and encounters that have taken place during and since World War 11. MUFON claims a worldwide average of 600 UFOs per month are reported. Do the sums and you have over half a million cases in the last 75 years. Those sort of numbers represent an awful lot of UFOs flying around in our airspace!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUK466P9Kgw

[bassplyr]

Hi searcher.

Im open to the possibility that a rare case or two of alien ufo visitation has occured at some point in humanities history. But i am pretty sure 99.9 percent of ufos are human in origen.

Regarding The Disclosure Project and Steven Greer. To put it simply im not buying it.

First, just because the "hearings" were made in front of congress doesnt mean they were requested by Congress. Greer probably put the whole exhibition together and solicited select congress members to participate. So it likely has no legal basis in regards to people having to swear in in any official sense where legal jepordy for fraud would be a factor. So in the end you have a lot of MIC guys "testifying" and telling stories.

I know a few (ok more than one or two) guys who work in that industry and work on classified projects and assets. One thing they all DO NOT do is blab about what they work on to just about anybody. Signing an SF-312 is a big deal and people who have do not under just about any circumstances violate them. Not to congress, not to their buddies. And certainly not on some dog and pony show being recorded for mass consumption.

They do however activily participate in disinformation, sometimes on grande scales if asked to do so. Particularly if it starts and/or perpetuates a narrative beneficial to sending people down the wrong rabbit holes.

Its an age old tactic and it works very well. Wouldn't be the first time nor the last im sure.

Regarding the Cash Landrum incident. I'm willing to bet money that incident had nothing to do with "ufo" technology. "Anti-gravity" or anything like that. The time frames match up to something else. Something interesting, certainly high tech and cutting edge but not exotic in some non Newtonian propulsion scheme. Id say it had nothing to do with propulsion period. Just a useful rig to test something else.

[Searcher]

Hi bassplyr,

Firstly I’d like to say I respect your opinions and your right to air them. Secondly, there’s a lot I don’t agree with!

For starters, how can you possibly be sure 99.9 % of UFOs are human in origin? The reason that can’t be right is that UFO reports have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. There is simply no way the advanced technology displayed by these craft was around back then. Not even for the modern wave of sightings that began in the 1940s. With no silicon chips or computers, we were just beginning to tread slowly down the path of technical enlightenment. Those early craft were all alien in origin.

Mind you, I’d be willing to bet a lot of sightings now involve reverse engineered craft piloted by humans. Last week I had rellies visit from New York. About six months ago one of them clearly saw a weird triangle shaped craft in the Pocono Mountains for about a minute. I told her it was most likely one of ours!

Re the Disclosure Project, you seem to have the facts wrong. The event did not take place in front of Congress. It was at the National Press Club in Washington. After their testimonials, the witnesses all said they were prepared to testify under oath to Congress about what they knew.

It would appear you have not listened to and watched these highly credible and often top ranking military and intelligence witnesses at all!. If I’m wrong, please correct me. Apart from the program itself, there are dozens of others that can be viewed online. I have probably watched every one.

It is also ludicrous to suggest that whistleblowers don’t exist. Of course they do… and it is naïve to think otherwise. Just watch, listen and try to understand that some folks do not agree with government secrecy and will willingly put up their hands to tell the truth. That’s courage. Something ex military people often have in spades. I should know… my uncle was a US Army Colonel.

Finally, the Cash-Landrum incident was unique because it involved a large diamond shaped craft that emitted enough heat and radiation to injure two people. It appeared to be in some trouble as it was low down over the road and was been escorted by as many as twenty military style helicopters. It was almost certainly a ‘black project’ aircraft piloted by humans. However, your assertion that it had nothing to do with alien reverse engineering is just sheer speculation on your part. It’s just an opinion and nothing you or I could possibly prove either way until maybe one fine day in the future, FOI could provide some much needed answers.

That’s my opinion.

[bassplyr]

Hi searcher. Disagreeing is good. its part of what makes for great conversation. So no worries there.

I said contemporary ufo sightings are 99 percent ours. There's still that small percentage that im open to being non human in origen. Pre-contemporary sightings may all have been aliens, other or even misidentified natural phenomena. I still stand by my statement that there was no back engineered alien craft.

The groundwork for ufos started back in the late 1800s. Lots of scientific breakthroughs in physics around then. Particularly the proposals by Ernst Mach that went on to greatly influence Einstein and relativity. The original proposals needed technology that were in their infancy at the time, although people still tried to implement them using things like cooled liquid mercury as a rudimentary superconductor. Faced with half successes that idea was shelved until material sciences could catch up. Although computers and other things weren't needed to make the idea work and minus certain material science developments the proposed vehicle was viable with then current technologies.

Another thing to consider is that many other "ufo" sightings at the time (foo fighters) weren't physical craft at all but something else using an unrelated technology thats still in use now.

Later when trying to address a seperate military problem tied in with radar they stumbled across a second method that was viable in a limited degree and from the mid century on nearly all "ufos" were built around this discovery. That lead to a lot of witnesses experiencing electrical anomalies in electronics (radios going screwy, cars stalling etc) at the time. But it still had its drawbacks and THAT did require computer advancements to make such a rig safe. A lot of tragic mishaps happened due to the then unstable drive fields until computers could catch up to the rigs needs. Now a days new technologies have replaced key components. Fields are stable, and dont bleed past the near-field boundary so you dont get that sorta electrical interferences or problems anymore.

As far as the disclosure project goes. I did watch them several years ago. The fact that they said they were comfortable testifying in front of congress but never did (the part i misremembered, which you got me on) doesnt take away from my argument that its disinformation. Although Bearden does have some great stuff on phase conjugation, but some of his pulling energy from the vacuum and scalar field stuff is daft.

Whistle blowers do exist, but you'd be very, very surprised as to how much stuff is out there that has had zero whistle blowers, will never be known by the public or ever go even grey or white from the black world. To quote Edgar Fouche "if you don't think the govt. can keep a secret, then boy are you wrong."

Re Cash Landrum. I still say its no back engineered craft, and that its not speculation. Its a modified flame jet generator to test a system later implemented on certain air force assets. Which i wont go into. Knowing where to draw the line is important on these subjects.

The triangles are indeed ours. There was a public place in southern California i could routinely go to watch them train on them. I've observed them on many an occasion. They can do incredible stuff.

The main problem with ufology is the red herrings, false rabbit holes and how those are actually encouraged narratives by the MIC. Helps keep secrets when everyone is looking the wrong way. Reverse engineered ufos is one of them.

Back on topic with the OP. Nuremberg is one of those one percenters in my opinion. Definitely odd, not likely to be misidentified natural phenomena and definitely not ours.

[Searcher]

G’day again bassplyr.

Glad you agree robust discussion is good. There are few more controversial subjects than UFOs!

I’m about to throw in one word (or event) that will disprove your theories about reverse engineering in one fell swoop…. ROSWELL!
If this famous UFO crash really happened, most of your theories can be tossed out the window!

So bassplyr, do you believe Roswell is a legitimate UFO case? I say it did happen! My basis for this is decades of intense interest and research. Of course I can’t prove it beyond reasonable doubt, but to my mind, a truckload of evidence combined with at least 200 individual witnesses tips the scales firmly in the direction of ‘TRUE’.

It is well known what happened in the beginning. A press release was issued through base information officer Walter Haut stating the Air Force has recovered a flying disc. However, it wasn’t long before General Roger Ramey decided to issue a counter statement declaring what was found was only a ‘weather balloon’. It was obvious the Air Force wanted to keep this potential mine field under wraps! And why wouldn’t they… it was no doubt a mistake to make this crash public in the first place. (See newspaper clipping below)


There is so much more that could be said about what is probably the world’s most intriguing and famous UFO case… but it would virtually fill yet another book!

What do others think about Roswell… Fact of Fiction?

Best to comment only if you’re actually familiar with what happened back in 1947 when Mac Brazel, foreman on the Foster ranch, made his historic discovery.

[Yowie bait]

I have read a lot about ufos and Roswell especially and have never been convinced that it was not a saucer that crashed . I dont care either way if it was or not but Roswell saucer crash is a fact imo. Besides, its right there in the paper!

[bassplyr]

Hey searcher,

Roswell is probably not the best case to put all your eggs in one basket on. And no, i dont think an alien craft crashed there. Besides anecdotal evidence, second and third hand "witnesses," the fifteen billion permutations of the story from Brazel claiming he found rubber, foil and balsa wood to claims from others that there were alien bodies, to even multiple crashes at corona, aztec and so on corrupting the event, it makes the case for Roswell being aliens a little underwhelming.

One thing i agree on with you though is that i definitely think something wrecked on that ranch. But just because something crashed doesn't mean it proves aliens. Personally im not impressed with the 200+ so called "witnesses" that have crawled out of the woodwork in the past decades jumping on the Roswell train. It boils down to 20 something or so direct witness and two thirds of them say there was nothing alien there. Marcel's testimony waffles and isnt exactly reliable.

Corso's book plays to the ignorant, especially concerning his claims regarding seeded alien technology. Anne Jacobson's book is so bad its not funny. (Seriously. That book is laughed at in the aerospace industry) Most hardcore ufo researchers are at the point of dumping the whole Roswell narrative and myth. It just doesn't hold up well.

The reports of a "Disc" range from an aerodynamic flying wing like aircraft, to a classic saucer shaped ufo to a simple hexagonal disc like object attached to a balloon like device.

As far as the RAAF PIO Haut writing that they had recovered a flying disc. He could have been mirroring rumour as heard by Wilcox (who claims brazel said 'he may have one of them ufos crashed on his ranch' and says that when he went out to the ranch that it appeared to be simple rubber and foil) in his initial report. He may have been cheeky in the report, which is common. Heck Edwards Airforce Base right now on their public relations posts have recently made a bunch of Marvel Comics themed articles because they are excited the latest Marvel movie is being filmed there. Edwards is a very important base with arguably more black stuff going on there than Groom Lake. And yet they're human and make cheeky reports. They even make mistakes from time to time.

Once the aliens lore around whatever happened at Roswell took route it would be a perfect narrative for the govt. to perpetuate since it certainly gets people chasing red herrings and far off the track of whatever may have really happened.

Personally i think ufo researchers would get further in their understanding if they looked at the better evidence and clues out there such as why did early ufo reports often feature electrical failures. Radio interference. Why are ufos the colour they are etc. Pondering those questions would have better gains in my opinion.

Many ufo cases once looked at through a better lense point to more down to earth origens. A good one would be the Hudson Valley giant chevron cases in the late 80s. That was most certainly human.



Hey i got a question for you. There are certainly some very odd ufo cases out there such as The Robert Taylor incident. What cases, to you, are in your top ten? You and i may not agree on everything, but there are certainly areas where we can have some fun besides bickering over the merits of the back engineered alien technology lore.

[Searcher]

Ha ha bassplyr... We’ll disagree straight away on this one! Roswell is an excellent example to find proof of the reality of crashed alien craft. Why? Because there is simply so much evidence.

Sure… I have heard many of the counter claims by confirmed Roswell skeptics such as Joe Nickell, Seth Shostack and Jill Tarter but none of their ‘weather balloon’ theories make any sense when subjected to close scrutiny. They don’t listen to what people have to say and simply ignore the known facts. They literally have their head stuck in the sand like an ostrich! Stanton Friedman once described how these people think: "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up".

However, I firmly believe many of these people are government puppets who follow the official policy of deny, deny, deny. I said earlier in this thread that I’ve just finished re-reading an old book I had by Major Donald Keyhoe. Much of this book detailed how Keyhoe struggled with the brass to gain access to and then release official Air Force UFO information to the public.

Another official blunder occurred when Brig. General Ramey conducted his ‘press conference’ while holding a Pentagon memo in his hand. That memo was photographed and later blown up to reveal groups of words like ‘victims of the wreck’ and ‘disk they will ship’.

It is also fact that the Roswell Mortican Glen Dennis has broken his code of silence to tell the truth about the recovered alien bodies. Listen closely to this courageous man’s interview. Any open minded person who watches this video cannot dispute his compelling evidence as to the reality of the Roswell UFO crash. have also watched interviews with the family of the pilots who later flew the bodies to other Air Force bases. They told their families about the experience years later. His wife’s account was a revelation.

Corso’s book has stirred controversy like none before it. The thing that stands out about this Colonel is his impeccable credentials. He was an Army intelligence officer who served on Eisenhower’s National Security Council. Corso was a Special Assistant to Lt General Arthur Trudeau, who headed Army Research and Development, and was in charge of the Foreign Technology Desk. Following his 21-year military career, he served as a military analyst. I do not agree his book, as you say, plays to the ignorant. Watch this old man’s interview. I have no doubt he is telling the truth. Of course bassplyr won’t agree with a single word of this as it blows his “Roswell didn’t happen” theory that right out of the water!

I have watched dramatizations of the Bob Taylor case a couple of times. It’s hard to believe that Bob and his wife have concocted such a way out story! It’s a weird one, that’s for sure… just one of many thousands of highly strange UFO cases of the last 70 years.

As for my Top 10 UFO cases, I could easily come up with some beauties off the top of my head… but I’ll take some time and give it a bit of thought.
I had a read of the latest Filer’s Files today. Interestingly, it contained heaps of stuff about reverse engineered alien technology. So the good news there is I’m not the only one who believes the US really has captured UFOs! Check for your self:

https://nationalufocenter.com/2019/03/f ... e-program/

Also, here’s the original 1947 ABC News radio report on the Roswell crash. Better than the newspaper headline! http://www.roswellproof.com/ABC_News_July8.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBOY5jrOGwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfTY7NuceQ

[GregP]

Back to the puzzle question... information from other sources suggests that these craft are actually travelling from other dimensions where different physics applies. Not only does the craft need to be able to op erate in their home dimension, but also withstand the reconfiguration process into our physics. This was not always successful. Also note that there are other beings that do not require craft to travel...varyng degrees of advancement among the various races.

[AL Pitman]

It would also seem naive to attack a modern army with a horse mounted , sword bearing Calvary .
However this has taken place on more occasions than one .
Humans just don't appear to learn from their mistakes !

[Searcher]

Incredible information is out there... hopefully the truth is too!

I've been aware of this interview with the son of Colonel Corso for quite a while. He details his father's deathbed confessions in this riveting interview.

The 3 minute part that describes the alien beings and their relationship to a LIVING craft is fascinating to say the least! It can be seen from around 19'.40" to about 23'.00".

It reinforces my belief some of these ET visitors have technology that is at least thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than our current level. Mind you, I'm certain the brilliant minds working secretly on the US government's black projects are doing their very best to understand everything about how these UFO's work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

[bassplyr]

Hey Searcher and the rest of the community. Hoping all are doing as best as possible with the challenges we are facing at the moment. Wishing you all the best.

Interesting video you linked. Not sure i buy all of it but i agree that very advanced aliens would have vessels that appear or are living to some degree. Just look at the advances and indispensible advantages that AI and cybernetic technologies are for even our current cutting edge technology. The air force is developing helmets that allow pilots to operate aircraft through thought alone. Testing them successfully right now.

Give that development 1000 years of maturation and you'll undoubtedly have a synergy of living and machine. Although the vessels may not be "living" they may as well be indistinguishable as living to just about anybody to where theres no point arguing against it.

So if people occasionally come across genuine alien crashed vehicles then i would be surprised if they weren't "alive" in some way.

To be honest and i dont want to sound like a Klasshole here i think the corso thing is bupkis. Most of ufology is if its attributing the lions share of stuff to aliens.



One thing thats a misnomer about the age of stars and the potential for advanced intelligent life in our galaxy and most galaxies in general. Most stars are not the type that sustains life. Particularly not long term. Most of the stars in the night sky are incredibly short lived. Only ten of millions of years. Our "ordinary" star the sun is actually a small set of stars that arent too big or too short lived. Betelgeuse for instance is a typical star common to our universe. Its only 10 million years old and only has a few million left. That's the usual tale of stars. Our sun is rather fortunate to be one of the small numbers of stars that live for billions of years. Long enough for intelligent life to actually form, develop and mature.

Of course there are other stars like our sun but they too are in the same epoch timescale wise as our own. About ten billion years ago our galaxy was fairly sterile. The old stars formed and burned out. They had poor metallicity. Life wouldn't form on them. Then a dwarf galaxy called gaia Enceladus crashed into our own milky way and revitalized the galaxy with new material. Enough for a new generation of stars to form that had more useful metals and silicates. Things needed to develop any sort of life. Our star was, like, almost all the stars of similar life giving nature a part of this second and even third generation of stellar evolution. This evolution doesn't occure from the core outward to the galactic rim time wise like most assume. It starts everywhere in the disc of the galaxy at once. Therefore our star is about as old as any other star in our galaxy that would garner intelligent life. This process due to the age of the universe as a whole and how galactic evolution works universally is how it works everywhere in the galaxy. So other galaxies don't have a edge up on our own timewise or evolutionarily. So our planet is about as old as most life bearing possible planets. Of course its possible there are other planets where intelligent life has a long time advantage of a few thousand years even maybe a million years probably exists. But its not a certainty. You can say that all the aliens visiting earth are incomprehensibly advanced to our own. But thats a presumption. Its not necessarily so. There is a chance but not as big as people think. So its a misnomer to push the notion that we're some juvenile species in the galactic timeframe when in actuality and all probability probably in the upper third age wise. Our solar system is not particularly young.

That being said obviously if an alien species were visiting earth their vessals would be perplexing to our understanding. Back engineering them might be very unfruitful as much as Tesla trying to back engineer a fighter jet or a piece of huygens metasurface he found.

My personal thought is much (nearly all) of what people see as ufos are our own. And in nearly all of the cases that appears to be so if you know what industries and technologies to read up on. That actual alien encounters and technology is exceptionally rare but a statistical probability and that almost all of ufology is misdirection away from such classified developments and assets.

But i would agree that its a convenient red herring and cover to convince the public that an alien presence is more unbiqitous than the reality. But still its a statistical probability a few have visited. And those few cases are very, very intruiging and profound.

[Searcher]

Hi bassplyr. Hope you and all other forum members stay well in these extremely testing times. Life is changing, albeit not in the best of ways. I’m a bit of a sport tragic. And guess what… no sport anymore! At least my team and I won a Grand Final in tennis a few days ago. Going to have to hang onto those memories for a while, I think.

Glad you found the video interesting. I know you are not a Corso fan, but I’m happy to listen closely with an open mind and draw my own conclusions. Either the father and son are being truthful or they should be nominated for Academy Awards for their acting performances. It’s quite simply one or the other.

We certainly are making progress with thought controlled avionics. I’ve also read about that. Down the track, brain implants could take things to another level. I wouldn’t want to be the first pilot testing those! It has been suggested that the recovered EBEs with the implants were actually clones. That would make some sense.

I can’t agree that nearly all (you did say 99.9%) of UFOs are our own. Look at the huge saucer ‘flaps’ from the 1950s, much of it expertly detailed in Capt. Edward J. Ruppelts well written book. The Captain was the Director of the Air Force’s Project Grudge and he was also involved when it changed to Project Blue Book.

The point I’m making here is there were so many excellent reports from the military around 70 years ago detailing performance that was clearly way beyond the capabilities of any country in those pre-computer dark ages. I mean 10-18,000 mph in our atmosphere… gimme a break! Fast forward 50 or 60 years and yes, I believe we now do have the smarts. As former Skunkworks CEO Ben Rich famously stated “ We now have the technology to take ET home.”

I take your point about the age of stars and the potential for intelligent life. Our sun is a Yellow Dwarf about halfway through its main sequence. I always remember the Million Dollar question on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. It was “What type of star is our sun?” I was thrilled I knew the answer and wished it were me in the chair!

It is becoming more and more apparent that the Earth is indeed a very rare jewel in the vastness of space. The Kepler planet finding space telescope indicated that while it was still active.

However, don’t forget astronomers claim that there are more stars in the heavens than grains of sand on every beach on Earth. Some say every desert as well! Nobody really knows, but all those stars would have a truly uncountable number of planets. So the numbers say there just has to be life and no doubt intelligent life out there among the stars. I’ve always believed the universe is teeming with life. It would seem to be an incredible waste of space if it wasn’t.

[bassplyr]

Hey Searcher good to hear from ya, and sorry about the sports. I can empathize. At least your team went out on top! Alas all this will pass and we'll get back to some assemblence of "normal" life.

Gives folks more time to go out yowie hunting though.

I believe in a universe as vast as ours life abound and even intelligent life. No argument there.

Yes computers were definitely the breakthrough in the 80s that made those exotic assets much safer, as they were very unsafe before that and certain developments. Its interesting to note the evolution of the designs, shapes and characteristics of these things as technology progressed and some serious problems and issues were wrinkled out or eliminated entirely. The quotes from Rich are interesting. In one exchange a person asked how they worked and Ben replied "how does ESP work?" And the man responded "everything in time and space are connected". Ben remarked "thats how it works" he wasnt directly referring to ESP but a principle of Mach's. Also on an aside. What if one day by accident you discovered some of the variables in Einstein's famous equation could be manipulated. And neither are anti gravity.