Nimitz UFO Encounter

[Searcher]

Found this nicely made video/documentary very interesting. It is the story behind the recent Pentagon released "tic tac' UFO footage recorded by Navy jets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRgoisHRmUE

[Searcher]

Are we getting closer to some form of official disclosure? This story was on last night's TV and radio news.

A news release yesterday said three videos posted online that have been described as being related to UFO sightings do indeed include footage of “unidentified aerial phenomena,” a U.S. Navy spokesman confirmed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/na ... m-n1056201

[Yowie88]

This may be related, I saw a doco on Foxtel called the "Unexplained" (History channel) and Tom DeLonge was in the program. Very interesting.

"Former Blink 182 singer Tom DeLonge left one of the world's biggest rock bands to further his research into UFOs under the guise of the so-called "To the Stars Academy of Arts & Science".

https://www.9news.com.au/technology/us- ... 2f8206fc49

[bassplyr]

I believe Unexplained is a program Delonges start up To the Stars has helped produce for the History Channel so yes they are connected. The episodes of the program basically promote TTSA

[Searcher]

The good news is these episodes of Unidentified are on line at Vimeo. Here's S1, Ep 2. https://vimeo.com/341138123

The incredible new eye witness testimonies in these Nimitz encounter interviews are there for everyone to watch. It includes revelations like these UFO contacts actually took place over 4 days.

Kevin Day, who was Chief Radar Operator on the USS Princeton, said it was 'raining UFO's' with over 100 contacts visible on radar. That's a lot of 'tic tacs'!! The Princeton was part of the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group. They were 100 miles SW of San Diego on a training mission.

The 'tic tac' shaped UFOs were travelling very slowly at 28,000 feet. Suddenly they were seen to drop to the ocean surface in .78 of a second!! That's 24,000 mph in our atmosphere...or around 30 times the speed of sound!! The amazing unidentified objects were also tracked underwater on sonar at over 70 knots. There will surely be more amazing facts revealed in the near future as the 'snowball effect' brings more witnesses out in the open, particularly those who have now left the Navy.

If it's not out already, I'll bet there will soon be a book released on this fascinating case file.

[bassplyr]

Wasn't Kevin also the guy who said that due to his Tic Tac encounter (which amounts to sitting in a chair in the bowels of a ship miles away from the "object" staring at a monitor screen) he was imbued with the psychic abilities of precognition, heightened intellect, the ability to manifest his desires along with apocalyptic dreams foreshadowing the future?

Where are you getting the tracked on sonar at 70 knots? I'm familiar with the story of the person (Gary) who's most associated in this case with the sonar claims. He says he heard it second hand by eavesdropping on the sonar guys on board the Princeton. But i haven't heard the 70knots figure quoted before. The case is reported from so many angles and players that its hard to keep up with whats canon.

The "100 contacts visible on radar" was explained by Kevin as over a six day period they witnessed a total of 100 contacts but didnt see more than ten at any one time.

Its an interesting case. Even more interesting that it occured in waters where all sorts of military tests are constantly done, during a large naval exercise, using newly upgraded radar systems.

Anyways, to quote the famous line in ufology, with commander Fravor I'm pretty sure he "knows what he saw"

[Searcher]

I have read about Chief Radar Specialist and Air Intercept Controller Kevin Day’s post incident anxiety attacks that he said gave him vivid dreams in the aftermath of this radar tracking encounter.

Who knows how you or I would react in the pressure cooker environment of the armed forces after being exposed to such a mind altering and life changing experience. However, that doesn’t change at all what he and other Navy radar specialists witnessed with their super sophisticated electronic eyes back in November, 2004.

As for the Gary Voorhis testimony about his fellow Navy operators sonar tracking this 40 foot long ‘tic tac’ of over 70 knots, it can be heard at around 19.20 and 37.25 on the above video of Unidentified S1, E2.

UFO's and USO's are the same vehicles. I have personally spoken at length with a US Navy sailor who watched a 'huge round luminous green object' sail directly under his Destroyer. All his exercising battle group were aware of the USO and he said 'even the Admiral watched it'. This incident took place in the Pacific Ocean in the early 70's.

The ‘more than 100 contacts’ was over a stated 4 days. I was not trying to infer it was all at once. Not sure where the 6 days comes from.

The fact remains that this massive sighting has rocketed up the list to become one of the best documented UFO cases of all time and will continue to gain momentum as more information is released.

[gregvalentine]

I read this interesting Kindle book last year:
https://www.amazon.com.au/Undersea-UFO- ... 07B93F446/

[bassplyr]

Regarding six days. Kevin said so himself on march 27th, 2019 at UFOMegaCon. Plus if you add the dates up. His incident started November 10th and continued through till the 15th of November.

Post incident anxiety doesn't explain the psychic ability histrionics. Besides whats mind altering about seeing strange stuff on your radar screen? Alarming, intriguing sure. Bestowing newfound psychic abilities though?

Thank you for the timestamp and reference to the video where he states 70knots underwater. I'll consider his second hand info canon now in this story.

I agree the glowing, radar tormenting lights in the air and water are the same thing in this case and many others.

I believe the individual who you talked to who said he saw one sail under his navy destroyer is telling the truth. My mother even saw one at a close distance sail next to her sailboat off Catalina island (same area Kevin says his first sightings on the 10th started) one night and flit away into the sky. And i myself have seen things you wouldn't believe in the same airspace. So im not discounting they witnessed what they did. I am discounting what they attribute them to. Which i find interesting. Like i said i believe fravor, day and the others "know what they saw"

As for how revelatory and disclosure heralding this case seems. I believe it will be up there in the annals of ufology for some time. That is until certain developments in optics become more mainstream in the civilian sector. Then it will be blatantly obvious as to what they are. Might be even sooner than we think if one blogger has the scoop he claims he does and has his way. Then again his exclusive is a week over due. Curious if someone kiboshed it for him.

[Searcher]

Apart from the Nimitz encounter in 2004, let’s not forget what occurred around the USS Roosevelt and its battle group in the Atlantic in 2015.

The carrier based Navy F18’s took the other two videos released by the Pentagon, the ‘Gimbal’ footage and the ‘Go Fast’ video of the round object skimming low over the ocean surface. The pilots get quite excited in this one!

Airmen have again come forward to verify close up sightings. US Navy fighter pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves is an impressive eyewitness.

An interesting part of this case report is the stalking of the Roosevelt by a fleet of UFOs. They even followed the carrier to the Persian Gulf in the Middle East!

[bassplyr]

Yeah the Roosevelt incident is interesting. It happened in late February early March 2015 off Florida...during a major naval exercise. Just like the earlier incident. Then the phenomena followed the carrier to the middle east. Its almost as if these things are part of the task force fleet and probably serve some sort purpose.

Graves has stated that while in the Mediterranean on the Roosevelt he occasionally saw similar types of anomalous radar contacts although they were significantly reduced in intensity and volume. Both accoin and graves have stated that they dont believe they were extra terrestrial. Here's a quote from accoin when asked about them being extraterrestrial. “We’re here to do a job, with excellence, not make up myths,” said Accoin.

Graves statement of it appearing like a sphere with a cube inside sounds plausible with these sort of things under the right circumstances. Just gotta understand the science behind it.

The go fast video can be debunked with high school trigonometry as an effect of parallax. The object whatever it is isn't going high sub mach. Turns out the math shows its going 40knots.

[Searcher]

From a May 2019 New York Times interview with Navy pilots Graves and Accoin.

What was strange, the pilots said, was that the video showed objects accelerating to hypersonic speed, making sudden stops and instantaneous turns — something beyond the physical limits of a human crew.

“Speed doesn’t kill you,” Lieutenant Graves said. “Stopping does. Or acceleration.”
Asked what they thought the objects were, the pilots refused to speculate.

“We have helicopters that can hover,” Lieutenant Graves said. “We have aircraft that can fly at 30,000 feet and right at the surface.” But “combine all that in one vehicle of some type with no jet engine, no exhaust plume.”

Lieutenant Accoin said only that “we’re here to do a job, with excellence, not make up myths.”

I believe both pilots are still active with the Navy so of course they will ‘toe the line’ and would try to not publicly say anything that would be considered controversial or outside mainstream thinking.

[bassplyr]

Sounds to me they're hinting that they're not craft.

[Yowie88]

Ok, hears what I thought about last night while thinking about the sea and unexplained aerial phenomenon (yes I had a few beers lol).

Fish have excellent movement abilities in the water (thanks to dorsal fins); they can swim fast, stop on a dime and make sharp turns in sea water, which is more dense than air. Air at sea level has 0.1275% of the density of water (assuming we are comparing the same volumes). Another amazing sea creature is the Cone Snail with it's lightning speed harpoon.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... g-strikes/

There are probably many other ocean creatures with "kick ass" abilities that seem to leave terrestrial creatures in their wake. Look up how cunning and clever killer whales are and the many species of killer jelly fish!

My crazy "beer drinking" hypothesis is could some of the aerial phenomenon be organic in nature, and posses similar abilities to those of the sea given billions of years of evolution? The tic tac object reminds me of small fish, darting all over the place.

I will wait for the men in white coats to pick me up.

[Searcher]

Sounds to me they're hinting that they're not craft.

Surprise, surprise... doesn't sound like that to me at all!

Surely the many objects that gave all those strong radar returns must be solid craft of some sort.

You allude to them being covert government assets. And I favour the E.T. hypothesis. Another theory is they are just us... coming back in time from Earth's distant future. I have often heard of the ufonauts being called 'masters of time and space'. Who knows for sure where the real truth lies.

[bassplyr]

Radar returns can be caused by simple non solid things such as temperature inversions. A solid object is absolutely not needed. Refractive index changes can even do it. Lots of things can that aren't solid.

[Searcher]

How does swamp gas rate?

Everyone knows radar returns under certain conditions can be anomalous. However, to suggest over 100 contacts from the USS Princeton’s sophisticated array and experienced operators are all wrong and not connecting with a solid craft is just wishful thinking, clutching at straws, or both.

[bassplyr]

Well the joke's on ufologists if they think solid objects are the only thing that can reliably fool radar. Especially sophisticated state of the art radar systems.

Sometimes researching outside of ufology's dogma facilitates the endeavor of ufological inquiry better.

[bassplyr]

Yowie88

Nothing wrong with beer mate. I loves me some beer too. A nice cold VB would be awesome right now.

Also, a few beers can cause you to think out of the box which can in turn bring new insights you wouldn't normally come onto.

Either way one if the most beautiful things in the world is an esky packed with ice and beer. A lawn chair and an esky...its a great way to skywatch for UAPs

[Searcher]

Yowie88 said:

I will wait for the men in white coats to pick me up.

G’day Yowie88,
Welcome to the discussion. I would have thought it was the ‘men in black’ that flying saucer aware people should worry about…

As bassplyr said, thinking outside the box is good. It is so often the way to new discoveries. There are certainly some amazing creatures in our oceans. The octopus, for example, has DNA that confounds scientists. Their genetic code is so strange it could be alien. The octopus appears to be utterly different from all other animals on this planet. Panspermia theories anyone?

There must be thousands of undiscovered species living in the depths of the oceans… and some are very likely to be of enormous size! Your thoughts on the possible organic nature aspect reminds me of interesting things I have read about UFO craft themselves actually being alive! Some UFOs may be millions of years more advanced than us. So with a little imagination, anything is possible.

[Searcher]

It’s happening again. This is at least the third time the Pentagon released Navy UFO videos have been all over the media. It was on TV News last night and in the Herald Sun this morning.

Why? There is nothing new with this story. One could be forgiven for thinking it could be a continuing part of a government and media driven grand plan for the inevitable final disclosure of the reality of our alien visitors. There would have to be some sort of plan in place!

On the other hand, this could be just wishful thinking on my part. As I’ve said before, the ‘Unidentified’ 6 part TV series with Tom Delonge is by far the best place to find an in depth account of what the U.S. Navy Top Gun pilots and radar men witnessed. The tic tac shaped objects would accelerate away from the F-18 jets like they were standing still! The UFOs were also observed submerged in the ocean. Another interesting point is the hypersonic speeds reported visually and on radar created no sonic booms.

It’s good news this excellent series ‘Unidentified’ has now confirmed production of a Season 2.

Today's Herald Sun.jpg

[bassplyr]

Hey searcher,.

Hoping you and yours are healthy ,safe and doing well.

I wouldn't get your hopes up with this being part of a disclosure campaign. The navy is simply saying that the videos are real, and that they are unidentified. The second part is a lie though. They just dont want to come out and say what they are, cause its theirs. But since its getting all this attention, which is not what they would have preferred, its best to just obfuscate the whole thing. Which obviously theyre doing a good job of. Also by declassifying the videos it saves them the trouble of all the paperwork involved with the mess its made. And theyre not worried about the contents of the video since its already a pretty mature technological niche. The civilian sector is pretty close to developing similar stuff. So its only a matter of time. But until that time, its best to play games and maintain that edge....

I'm pretty sure that fravor "knows what he saw" or at least has a pretty good idea, and has his part in the navys response to this. And im certain far more people in the military know exactly what those things were and just take their oaths seriously.

But one thing you can bet on is that this isn't disclosure. If anything its bennewitzing doty 2.0 to cover for something else very different.

[Searcher]

G’day bassplyr,

Yep… I’m good, thanks. Hope you are too. Unfortunately, I reside in The People’s Republic of Victoria where Premier Andrews enjoys his power trip by imposing draconian laws that are out of step with the Australian Government’s advice and all other state’s restrictions. Apart from that, I’m fine!

Yeah… I won’t get my hopes up too high for full disclosure on all that is known about the alien visitation and the UFO situation. The idea that almost all UFO craft are assets from the military/industrial complex makes little sense to me. Why would they suddenly display these assets in the middle of a Navy war exercise? They would certainly be at risk from ‘friendly fire’ if the unidentified craft were perceived to be a threat. I am fairly sure this was mentioned in the Nimitz video.

Other points I have made previously apply here. These craft have been around way too long to be all made here on earth. Note the saucer flaps of the 40’s and early 50’s before we had the computer technology to help make these things fly. And most importantly, saying that 99.9% of sightings are man made means totally disregarding ALL of the many hundreds of reported sightings that involve seeing alien beings. A serious researcher simply cannot dismiss every single one with a skeptical wave of the hand. It also means none of the huge number of abduction cases involving alien beings actually happened. I believe Pascagoula is a great example of a genuine abduction case. If Harvard Professor John Mack were still alive, he would argue this phenomenon is absolutely real.

In closing, I certainly agree that many in the military “know exactly what these things were”. However, it’s much more likely they are aware of the alien connection and the long-term ramifications for our society.

Cheers!

[bassplyr]

"The idea that almost all UFO craft are assets from the military/industrial complex makes little sense to me. Why would they suddenly display these assets in the middle of a Navy war exercise? They would certainly be at risk from ‘friendly fire’ if the unidentified craft were perceived to be a threat."

Because you can't physically hurt them. In this case they are actually meant to be fired at. So there was zero risk of friendly fire that would damage an asset. But it is good to test updates of it to see how youre own equipment and men in various rolls respond to it.

"These craft have been around way too long to be all made here on earth. Note the saucer flaps of the 40’s and early 50’s before we had the computer technology to help make these things fly."

Not necessarily so. The ground work for real "ufos" that are of earth origen started in the 1930s for one class that operated on a particular mechanism. Those are the ones that later benefited from computers. To be honest everything benefits from computers. Before the era of computers they still worked but were very unstable and at high speeds untrustworthy in a lethal catastrophic sorta way. But to get one to work, hover, zip around in the sky and do crazy maneuvers observed in early designs didnt require a computer. Notice that there were a lot of ufo crashes in the 40s and now not so much. You also saw wobbly ufos, ufos doing falling leaf type maneuvers back in the day and now not so much. The computers and material science helped on that end. They work great nowadays. Dont glow as much. Don't burn plants and leave pecker tracks everywhere they go. Dont interfere with electronics or stall cars so much these days. Strong radar signals dont bring them down anymore. The technology evolves.

As an aside what's in the Nimitz case are something else entirely and not a "ufo" per say.


"And most importantly, saying that 99.9% of sightings are man made means totally disregarding ALL of the many hundreds of reported sightings that involve seeing alien beings. A serious researcher simply cannot dismiss every single one with a skeptical wave of the hand."

You're creating a false dichotomy here. Nobody's dismissing every single ufo or alien case here. I'm certainly not. I've always been upfront about saying there are a small percentage that are truly bizarre and very possibly alien in nature. But if you added up every single instance of someone seeing a ufo i believe youd find an overwhelming amount are manmade. Whether its simple misidentification or on the other end of the spectrum and very exotic not for public consumption technologies. To compound the problems there is a very high noise to signal ratio in ufo sightings.

Also, i agree with you Pascagoula is truly bizarre. Its one I've mentioned on a few occasions as one i put in the alien category.


"In closing, I certainly agree that many in the military “know exactly what these things were”. However, it’s much more likely they are aware of the alien connection and the long-term ramifications for our society. "

You're right they know exactly what they are and thats because its theirs and not alien. There are marines, air force, navy and more who all are familiar with what was encountered in the Nimitz incident. Its that wide spread of a technology and so relatively mature that if you know where to look you can see it burgeoning in civilian sectors of industry. Like i said "fravor knows what he saw."

[Searcher]

Bassplyr wrote:

Because you can't physically hurt them. In this case they are actually meant to be fired at. So there was zero risk of friendly fire that would damage an asset. But it is good to test updates of it to see how youre own equipment and men in various rolls respond to it.

I certainly can’t agree with that! There is little doubt today’s advanced laser weapons could do a lot of damage to any flying craft. They are not as invincible as you would like to believe. To suggest that they would intentionally draw fire in a ‘test’ is supposition at its best!

There is evidence of many alien crashes worldwide, in particular Roswell. I have no doubt most of our differing opinion comes back to the reality of the Roswell crash in July, 1947. I say it happened and that was the beginning of our attempt to reverse engineer UFO’s with the captured technology. You say it didn’t happen. Am I right in assuming that?

There are hundreds of witnesses who have experienced evidence of the Roswell crash. Have you read Corso’s book? Watched his son give evidence? Listened to the Roswell Mortician describe how the Military ordered a batch of ‘child size’ coffins from him? And that’s just scratching the surface. I believe all the hundreds of little bits of evidence add up to something large and of very real substance.

Also, look at the research of Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt, two of the foremost UFO investigators on the Roswell UFO crash. They conducted over 400 interviews over more than a decade. Their work is considered the definitive expose on the Roswell UFO crash and government cover-up of contact with aliens from another world.

If the Roswell UFO crash not true then hundreds of people, many of them highly qualified ex military and intelligence officers, have been continually lying for around 73 years as part of a giant conspiracy! I know what my common sense tells me. What I can’t understand is whey someone with obvious insight and intelligence, who would be aware of much of this mountain of evidence, continues to deny, deny, deny everything about the reality of Roswell, perhaps in the hope it will all go away. Or perhaps it is because Roswell simply doesn’t fit the mindset.

Nobody's dismissing every single ufo or alien case here. I'm certainly not. I've always been upfront about saying there are a small percentage that are truly bizarre and very possibly alien in nature. But if you added up every single instance of someone seeing a ufo i believe youd find an overwhelming amount are manmade

I’m glad you can admit to at least some of the alien presence. That’s a good start. What I’m saying is any primitive attempt to create a ‘flying saucer’ type craft in the 40’s would not explain how fleets of saucers were tracked on radar at incredible speeds in our atmosphere back in the huge flap of 1952. That’s 68 years ago.

No bassplyer… we did NOT have that technological ability back then to fly at those speeds. And if that’s the truth, then your entire argument falls in a heap. If we did have this ability, then please enlighten us with some proof! And I don’t mean photos of the Navy’s ‘Flying Flapjack’!

An example from the list of the Air Force’s Air Technical Intelligence UFO sightings: Gulf of Mexico area. December 6, 1952. B-29 training flight. Radar and visual reports, accurate details, double checked: speed computed making 9000 mph. Source: Donald E. Keyhoe’s book, ‘Flying Saucers from Outer Space’.
It’s wishful thinking that humans could demonstrate those amazing capabilities long before you were born!

You're right they know exactly what they are and thats because its theirs and not alien. There are marines, air force, navy and more who all are familiar with what was encountered in the Nimitz incident. Its that wide spread of a technology and so relatively mature that if you know where to look you can see it burgeoning in civilian sectors of industry. Like i said "fravor knows what he saw."

As for what the Nimitz crews actually encountered, having watched the six part series at least twice, it is my opinion that all the witnesses thought these craft were form another planet. I have to correct you on Commander David Fravor. In an interview with Time magazine he opens up to clearly say the UFO he saw “was not of this world” Read about it here: https://time.com/5070962/navy-pilot-ufo ... his-world/
So please mate, if you can, show me evidence of where he suggests otherwise. In the meantime, all the best in this COVID-19 lockdown. At least it has given me extra time to fire off a few lines!

[bassplyr]

Hey searcher,

Ever consider that what was seen back in the 1950s as radar signatures going real fast and recently in the Nimitz incidents are the same phenomena and arent UFOs but something entirely different. That what those radars were tracking werent fleets of ufos? If you notice i said they don't have to worry about friendly fire with these things because you can't physically hurt them. Not because they are invincible to lasers. In fact these things love being hit by lasers. And, a naval war excercise is exactly when you test updates to these sorts of things and see how well they do against several different systems and people.

Also, the f18s werent armed so theres no friendly fire to be had. But even if one of the cruisers did pop something off at one it wouldn't physically do anything to them.

The Roswell crash and what it could be is outside the scope of a thread regarding the Nimitz incident and what the anomalous objects involved are. We can take it to a Roswell thread and discuss the anecdotal evidence if you want. But to prevent thread drift...

Yes the blurry whitish blue ufos that zipped up to the b29 at 5000 mph and then paced five at a time behind the aircraft for a short while before departing to merge with an even larger object that then zipped off at 9000 mph. The pilots only physically saw two of the blurs zip by the rest is radar evidence. Your orange ufos you saw outside Dalby that one time look whitish blue during the day and are the same phenomena that these guys saw. And they aren't exactly ufos. Look like em though. Its a military technology. Development started in the 1930s until present. A entire niche and industry now.

Fravor et al. are playing their part as theyre supposed to and are familiar with what the objects are.

There are things you can google that will send you down the right paths to figure out whats going on if you want evidence. But it would offer prosaic but novel explanations and uses of technology that might not be in accord with your UFO narrative.

[bassplyr]

Also searcher i wanted to add. You're a good guy and i am truly sorry if this conversation is frustrating as hell for you. Believe me i get it. Not much i can do about that. But i do enjoy talking to you and i dont want you to think im being purposely obtuse just to be an a hole.

[Searcher]

That's OK bassplyr.
I'm just curious to know a bit more about where you are coming from. I'm not at all frustrated with you and I do enjoy reading your stuff although, to be honest, you do seem to be a bit evasive with your replies and don't back up what you say with any evidence based references or articles. Apart from that, all is good!
I've just penned a reply to your last full post, so please don't take any offence as none is meant! Hopefully there will be some enlightening answers soon...
Cheers.

[Searcher]

G’day again bassplyr,

Totally disagree with those highly speculative opinions! I prefer to believe Cmdr David Fravor, a 24 year military veteran, when he says the Nimitz encountered craft that were ‘not from this world’.. I think you need to listen to all those eyewitness testimonies again. And to guess (there is no way you would know for sure) they were there to test their invulnerability to advanced laser weapons fire… words fail me. And that doesn’t happen very often!

I also really doubt relatively low ranking Officers like Fravor, his pilot crew and the radar operators would have the necessary clearances to be ‘in the know’. And I don’t believe he and his military colleagues are ‘playing their part’ at all. That just suits your viewpoint. My contention is they were telling the truth about their genuine beliefs when describing what they saw.

All this nonsense about laser weapon proof UFO’s sounds like an extract from a comic book. Seriously mate… if you want to continue with this discussion, give me something genuine! Show me some quotes, links, interviews with qualified like-minded people. ANYTHING to back up what you say.... as long as it has real substance and not just mere opinion and hypothetical conjecture.

It would also be nice if you could explain to me and other interested readers how UFO’s can be immune to high powered laser weapons of the devastating type now fitted to some US warships. Laser weaponry may now be in its infancy but is fast developing into a super powerful weapon that can target at the speed of light.

As for Roswell, the 1947 crash does seem a bit off topic here, but the reality of it is crucial to understanding the development of reverse engineered craft that are being flown in secret today.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There is zero chance that development of anti gravity flight was far enough advanced in the 1940’s to be able to have fleets observed in the saucer flaps of the early 50’s doing incredible speeds of 9 to 20,000 mph in our atmosphere. My contention is it took decades to fully understand the alien technology, particularly the mind control aspects of these vehicles.

If they were developed back then, don’t you think they would have absolutely been used in the War effort? Well, they were involved in a way. The objects were known as Foo Fighters. The Germans thought the strange lights that accompanied the planes into battle were British and the British thought they were German. At the end of World War 11, no one knew what side they belonged to. The strange, fast moving lights were simply unidentified. They did not destroy any allied or enemy aircraft. The craft only seemed to observe the bombing and air battles.

There is a really good Nimitz article in an issue of last month’s Filers Files. It describes the Tic Tac objects that visited the vicinity of the Nimitz where they were reportedly clocked at 19,000 mph!

The story has a lot of physics equations that will interest you, bassplyr. The article is by one of the world’s top quantum physicists, Dr. Jack Sarfatti . He also says he doesn’t believe the USS Nimitz UFO was created from our technology. It’s nice to have a highly qualified man on the same page as myself! And bassplyer, please don’t put up your hand and accuse Dr. Sarfatti of telling lies!
Read it here:
https://nationalufocenter.com/2020/04/f ... 19000-mph/

[bassplyr]

Any reason why PM's arent going through? Tried sending you one and all i got was the infinitely spinning wheel.