What if a Yowie is really found?

[Harry_Henderson]

The question, fellow searchers, is: What will we do when real verified contact is made, with clear video and photographic footage, and body hair samples etc? If it goes viral we will have every Tom, Dick and Harry from all over the world tramping through the land where the sighting or contact was made and evidence was obtained, attempting to trap, capture or kill the Yowie(s) for curiosity, fame and profit. I tell you, it will be chaos. Remember, this will be one of the greatest scientific discoveries of our age.
The same dilemma has faced certain scientists in Tasmania, who know there is a small population of Thylacines surviving deep in the bush, but they will neither announce such information to the world nor reveal their location, to protect them from speculators, profiteers and poachers. Perhaps we should act the same when overwhelming evidence is obtained about the existence of Yowies in the Australian bush. Keep quiet about the discovery, keep the information confidential amongst a small group of responsible people, including trustworthy scientists, and make sure the Yowies’ habitat is protected.
I’m dead serious.
[Btw, I have also posted this comment on YouTube under a recent interview (Audio Report #180) https://youtu.be/nXUYvc5cYFs as I feel it is an important thing to point out to the wider community.]

I have had my own incident/contact in Nerang State Forest in the mid 1990s. I will talk about in the future.

[rowbe]

Agree, Harry. Also, there probably are many out there that have had experiences, sightings and evidence. However, won't provide for fear of what you described.

[rowbe]

PS - Some have mentioned activity in a certain area, only to have the site inundated with people. Hence, the hairies moved on. Pays not to disclose your site/location online.

[Thecreeper]

Hey mate

With the stuff iv had happen to me all of it has been by chance i havnt actually gone out looking yet..
The stuff i have gotten isnt good enough to prove anything but iv still got it anyway

My idea isnt to try make money or change anyones opinions on stuff but if i ever herd of people going missing in the area i got the pics and recording from id be straight to the cops and showing them incase it was the difference of someone being found

same with if i find more evidence or even get stuff that was 100% proof i think that would be the 1 thing that would make me show people and make a big deal about it

the feelings i get from this area are bad and i get the feeling someone will go missing out there 1 day and if my pics or recording or anything i get in the future could be enough for people to even change how they are searching for someone even if they found them injured or even dead it would in a bad way make me feel good that my evidence was the difference in helping the family and the victim being reunited
There is no bigger fear for me then a family member going missing and never seen again with no answers it would break a family


other then that having that evidence for my own sanity would be enough for me

[Mulder]

If I might pipe in here - being a newbie I think this topic is far more important than we realise...
Mr Henderson is spot on - imagine if concrete evidence was found? Whether it be Yowies / Tassie Tigers / any cryptid for that matter...
Every lunatic would be out hunting (literally - and I mean armed to the teeth) to "capture" one - dead (most likely) or alive...
Our track record as humans is not that impressive - find it, either exploit it or kill it and then send it to extinction.
I'm all for info and knowledge sharing (don't get me wrong here) - this is an important part of serious research - but I believe it is critical that all involved also exercise a duty of care to protect such creatures.
A very good initial post and hopefully provokes some further discussion.

[rowbe]

If I might pipe in here - being a newbie I think this topic is far more important than we realise...
Mr Henderson is spot on - imagine if concrete evidence was found? Whether it be Yowies / Tassie Tigers / any cryptid for that matter...
Every lunatic would be out hunting (literally - and I mean armed to the teeth) to "capture" one - dead (most likely) or alive...
Our track record as humans is not that impressive - find it, either exploit it or kill it and then send it to extinction.
I'm all for info and knowledge sharing (don't get me wrong here) - this is an important part of serious research - but I believe it is critical that all involved also exercise a duty of care to protect such creatures.
A very good initial post and hopefully provokes some further discussion.

Harry, Creeper and Mulder - I agree. Unfortunately, there have been instances in the past where some have indicated areas where they research/visit or interact with hairies, etc only to find the place inundated with people the next time they go out. Hence, the hairies had moved on (at least until it quietened down). This potentially damages/inhibits any attempt for further research or even creating trust. I think this would be the case whether the hairies are flesh and blood or paranormal (whatever you believe). Noted "duty of care" would also add in obligation to maintain anonymity of and risk management of the site.

However, in saying this there are certain people on this forum who would be an asset to proposed research and management of sites due to their past experience and knowledge. This site is great to learn further knowledge of the subject and you will come to know those who might be able to assist further. Probably off-forum. You may note at any one time there are 40-50 odd guests on the forum, so be careful with detail. We all have to learn somewhere!

[Roy Batty]

The question, fellow searchers, is: What will we do when real verified contact is made, with clear video and photographic footage, and body hair samples etc? If it goes viral we will have every Tom, Dick and Harry from all over the world tramping through the land where the sighting or contact was made and evidence was obtained, attempting to trap, capture or kill the Yowie(s) for curiosity, fame and profit. I tell you, it will be chaos. Remember, this will be one of the greatest scientific discoveries of our age.
The same dilemma has faced certain scientists in Tasmania, who know there is a small population of Thylacines surviving deep in the bush, but they will neither announce such information to the world nor reveal their location, to protect them from speculators, profiteers and poachers. Perhaps we should act the same when overwhelming evidence is obtained about the existence of Yowies in the Australian bush. Keep quiet about the discovery, keep the information confidential amongst a small group of responsible people, including trustworthy scientists, and make sure the Yowies’ habitat is protected.
I’m dead serious.
[Btw, I have also posted this comment on YouTube under a recent interview (Audio Report #180) https://youtu.be/nXUYvc5cYFs as I feel it is an important thing to point out to the wider community.]

I have had my own incident/contact in Nerang State Forest in the mid 1990s. I will talk about in the future.

I think about this as well, I half think that were I lucky enough to get irrefutable proof (video, body, etc) and that I knew 100000% that it was real to my satisfaction, I may just keep it quiet in the end, because I reckon if it were made public it would be hounded to extinction within 10 years because humans really are violent little hairless monkeys that are just smart enough to be dangerous. They seem like they are potentially dangerous, the way a Bull would be if you got in its face, but if you back off, don't make eye contact, they seem to withdraw pretty readily. Its not like they are a menace that is eating every person that comes within arms reach

[sensesonfire]

The question, fellow searchers, is: What will we do when real verified contact is made, with clear video and photographic footage, and body hair samples etc? If it goes viral we will have every Tom, Dick and Harry from all over the world tramping through the land where the sighting or contact was made and evidence was obtained, attempting to trap, capture or kill the Yowie(s) for curiosity, fame and profit. I tell you, it will be chaos. Remember, this will be one of the greatest scientific discoveries of our age.
The same dilemma has faced certain scientists in Tasmania, who know there is a small population of Thylacines surviving deep in the bush, but they will neither announce such information to the world nor reveal their location, to protect them from speculators, profiteers and poachers. Perhaps we should act the same when overwhelming evidence is obtained about the existence of Yowies in the Australian bush. Keep quiet about the discovery, keep the information confidential amongst a small group of responsible people, including trustworthy scientists, and make sure the Yowies’ habitat is protected.
I’m dead serious.
[Btw, I have also posted this comment on YouTube under a recent interview (Audio Report #180) https://youtu.be/nXUYvc5cYFs as I feel it is an important thing to point out to the wider community.]

I have had my own incident/contact in Nerang State Forest in the mid 1990s. I will talk about in the future.

I think about this as well, I half think that were I lucky enough to get irrefutable proof (video, body, etc) and that I knew 100000% that it was real to my satisfaction, I may just keep it quiet in the end, because I reckon if it were made public it would be hounded to extinction within 10 years because humans really are violent little hairless monkeys that are just smart enough to be dangerous. They seem like they are potentially dangerous, the way a Bull would be if you got in its face, but if you back off, don't make eye contact, they seem to withdraw pretty readily. Its not like they are a menace that is eating every person that comes within arms reach

Hey, Roy according to Janice Carter the human encyclopedia on Bigfoot the US government does know about these creatures but deny their existence for one reason they can't herd them or round them up no surprise there they can't and never will. But I have no doubt over the last century there have been many human hunting expeditions all ready and eager for a Bigfoot shootout.

The Order of Saint Hubertus was founded in 1695 in the Kingdom of Bohemia now the modern Czech Republic its emphasis was on hunting and the pursuit and management of game animals including werewolves and other nefarious beasts they truly believed existed. Unfortunately for those that attempted these hunts they usually met with a rather nasty demise.

The US had its own Saint Hubertus connection 7 members of the society were sent to Mississippi in the late 1700s early 1800s to eradicate a pod of Dogman (bit off-topic) which had been terrorising farming properties initially 2 men were sent out to do the job neither returned then the remaining 5 joined the fray 4 were torn to pieces with just one managing to escape to tell of the terrifying encounter.

No wonder Yowies/Bigfoot/Dogman have a complete hatred of guns


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Its not like they are a menace that is eating every person that comes within arms reach

Maybe not but Janice did say some are prone to cannibalism so I wouldn't push your luck too far.

[Fieldog]

Hi Harry
Can you please go into more detail about tassie tiger population still being present. My info was they weren’t seen after Gunns timber had poisoned animals after a seeding a plantation

[Annaau82]

I sm guessing if they are found and proven. The location will be closed off to the public like the Wollemi Pine Forest....

[Simon Park]

If their existence was confirmed then it would have an impact on tourism, logging, and a variety of other industries. It would then be the responsibility of various branches of government (state and federal) to deal with.

It seems possible that the authorities are already aware of their presence but don't want the expense or legal responsibilities that acknowledging this would create for them. As others have noted, there's no way of estimating the numbers of these creatures or of controlling them. It may simply be in the 'too hard' basket as far as governments are concerned, so they simply ignore the issue and leave it for someone in the future to deal with. Imagine being a government minister doing a press conference where you had to admit that there was no way of estimating their numbers, their range, or of guaranteeing the safety of the public - I don't think anyone would put their hand up for that job. I don't think it'd be something any government would want to deal with.

That's why I think information about this issue is often treated as suspect or irrational by the mainstream media and the authorities - the fact is that Yowies existing would be massively inconvenient for the people in charge. It wouldn't be the first politically inconvenient issue that successive governments have chosen to ignore.

I think it's more a case of intentional apathy on the part of those in power than an actual conspiracy, but I think the people in charge are aware of this issue and simply prefer to avoid dealing with the reality.

[Shazzoir]

That's why I think information about this issue is often treated as suspect or irrational by the mainstream media and the authorities - the fact is that Yowies existing would be massively inconvenient for the people in charge. It wouldn't be the first politically inconvenient issue that successive governments have chosen to ignore. I think it's more a case of intentional apathy on the part of those in power than an actual conspiracy, but I think the people in charge are aware of this issue and simply prefer to avoid dealing with the reality.

And there it is. You've pretty much echoed my sentiments, Simon.

The impact of admitting Yowies exist would be incredibly disruptive;
a) People living near bush would be terrified, demanding the government DO SOMETHING to keep them safe

b) The tourism industry that deals with bushwalking and national parks etc. would be impacted to a major degree - tarnishing our amazing land and how we use it recreationally and professionally.

c) Demand for insurance in case someone was harmed by a Yowie might arise, along with all of the myriad possibilities, risk assessments and control measures that the public perceives would be needed to make bushland areas safe.

d) Logging and forestry workers /companies would have a field day, claiming restitution for no longer being able to rape the land for profit, now that Yowies have been found to be REAL and must be protected at all costs, along with their environment. Can you imagine the Govt's response to this loss of income?

e) Any politician putting their neck out to either decry or preserve the Yowie would be committing political suicide, therefore, they won't want to.

Just a few of my thoughts on the matter. Don't forget, big business, money and politics are pretty much one and the same. You cannot divide them and have anything be the same again.

Cheers
Shazz

[Cewfs]

The recent AYR footage is so good that it's bound to spread widely, attracting all sorts of people, both good and daggy. I reckon that in a few weeks there'll be heaps of people scouring what they think is the likely location. Rag newspapers and bs news channels will jump on the band wagon. I'm well pleased that Australian gun laws have been tightened, helping to limit the damage done by idiots.

[Pigdingo]

Harry I support your position 100%. All researchers need to be extremely careful who they disclose their known locations and evidence .

[Simon Park]

Dean's narration emphasized the remoteness of the location and the extreme difficulty the expedition had in getting there with all their equipment. He also mentions that they were on private property: so even if someone thinks they've figured out the approximate location they still won't legally be able to access it. The fact that they'd be trespassing might not deter some people, but it might give most people a reason not to go there.

I also think very few people would willingly venture into that terrain - I don't know that the average trophy hunter wants anything other than an easy mark. That video makes the whole thing look unbelievably difficult. Would the average punter even bother going through all that? It'd take someone very fit, skilled and determined to even get there, and once they arrived they'd be in the Yowie's territory and would have very little chance of catching them unawares. As the video also makes clear, the reason Buck captured the footage of those two figures was that he was panning around the area. He was literally in the right place at the right time with a camera. He said more than once that he hadn't heard them and didn't know they were there before he spotted them through the camera sight.

It could be argued that each of these reports creates some risk of attracting people with malicious intent to a given location, but this whole project is about documenting eyewitness reports and investigating the locations where they happen as a kind of public service. People can't find this information anywhere else. I think people have a right to know that these things are going on. I understand that there's a risk of the wrong kind of people showing up and doing damage and so on, but I think that the public should be able to access this information. If people choose not to accept it then that's entirely their decision, but for those who are interested or who do appreciate the possible risk then my opinion is that public safety has to be the main consideration. You can't avoid danger if you don't know it exists, and just being aware of some of these telltale signs - like the sticks in the ground - could be of great benefit to people who live near these wilderness areas.

By way of explanation, I'm not meaning to rant or be confrontational. I'm not criticizing anyone else's remarks in this thread. These are just some of the things that expedition video made me consider in detail.