Might have yowie hair

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi rusty, that Mr Brunners interactive hair analysis tool looks pritty good.Im with Nopolys I will put it on my wish list.

[Rusty2]

Hey guy's , the thing about this tool is that the majority of the work is already done . I was thinking of starting my own database and then re-thought about how much time it would take . It would have taken him years to collect all that data . Thankfully we can have that data at a modest price , plus , it sounds like we get a walkthrough in concerns to sample collection procedures e.t.c.

Cheer's Rusty2..............

[NoPolys]

Rusty;

I like the idea of having something to build off of.... I'm lazy

Also, as you say, the manner of collection and preservation of material is highly important. It's a critically important need for all of us to be able to collect and store our samples in a manner that can be tracked back to the collection point and classify to our ability and store samples in a way that preserves them for future reference and testing. Sounds harder than it really is, but we are getting to a point where we need to have good samples with high reliability. In the not too distant future I believe there will be a specimen type that "science" will have to acknowledge. At that point, all of the inconclusive testing from prior years of effort will be subject to re-evaluation. This will have a pretty dramatic effect on the greater fund of knowledge and our little group, hopefully increasing the odds on how to track and quantify populations, movement and all of those other mysterious things we only guess about right now.

I'm reminded of the Issac Newton quote.."If I have been able to see further, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants." it still works today.

(Nopolys calmly folds up his soapbox and retires back into the lurker's corner having finished the rant on one of his pet peeves and continues figuring out which questions to ask.....

cheers

[forestguy]

Hi guys - on the topic of hair...

One of the guys in the States I talk to goes by the name of LSurf, and he's had a bit of luck collecting hairs - here's a link to his site, you might want to compare hair pics: http://bigfoot-evidence.blogspot.com/se ... 20Analysis

He's pretty approachable, if you need to drop him an email tell him Forestguy from MABRC sent ya...

[topender]

Ive managed to be lucky enough to receive a basic data base from a zoologist mate but the CSIRO tool seems to be the bee's knees, me thinks that it would be a smart move to use it as the bench mark tool for management of hair samples, i maybe going out on alimb here but i can see the day when AYR has a list of trusted consultants for a variety of analysis work

[andrew]

I have been away in the mountains for a few days and just had a look at the traffic here. What a great response to this topic. That CSIRO kit should prove extremely useful. As someone earlier said, it is time to raise the bar. This is not as hard to do as some may think. Early next year I hope to post a protocol from the Uni of Canberra forensic department that should help everybody. It is early days, but there are professionals in academia that are genuinely interested and may provide a surprisingly high level of help, provided that it is approached methodically and properly. We all have the same goal (at least I hope so) of "proving" the existence of one or more species of Australian primate. This sounds easy but it is not.
Andrew

[andrew]

When you say a secure database, do you mean a forum type thing? Or a password protected gallery of sorts?

And MrX? Top work mate![/quote]

Even I am not sure what format is best, but we do need somewhere "non public" where SENSITIVE information can be shared by trusted posters. I might leave it at that for the moment. I am sure that DMH et al can come up with something that provides a suitable level of protection.

Happy New Year
Andrew

[andrew]

Rusty;

That's a great tool and on my wish list for this year......... the down side is it has a fairly limited database, but I think it allows additions to the database. I'll let ya know more when I have it in my hands.

cheers

I think we will all look forward to hearing your opinion on this database.

Andrew

[AL Pitman]

Would it be possible to have a generic type form on this site so that all you would have to do is simply fill in the open spaces and follow the suggested protocol such as in the handling of the specimens / evidence ect , you could even print it out or save a copy ?????



WE CAME WE SAW AND IT KICKED OUR BUTTS !!!! !!!!

[The yowie Mrx]

Dr Brunner rang today and no banana.He said its a small dog hair.So I have 12 inch footprint from a small white dog or the dog hair was there first and the footprint after.Or what made the footprint had takeaway like a small white dog.
Any way I got a trailcam I will give it a go

[andrew]

He said its a small dog hair.So I have 12 inch footprint from a small white dog or the dog hair was there first and the footprint after.Or what made the footprint had takeaway like a small white dog.
Any way I got a trailcam I will give it a go.

Disappointing but such is life unfortunately. I do not know how many have access to microscopes but I am very slowly putting together a preliminary animal hair quick reference that hopefully will allow us to reject such hairs and reduce costs. Not as comprehensive as Brunners CSIRO kit but it will hopefully reduce the obvious alternatives. This will take a few months but I will get there.

If you are putting up a trail cam, what is your preferred bait to draw them close?

Andrew

[Rusty2]

BUGGER !! Dont worry mate you'll get another go . KEEP LOOKING !


Cheer's Rusty2.............

[AL Pitman]

Hi Ya MRX

With all of the commotion re: the hair what about the excellant FOOT PRINT that you have photographic and casted evidence of , well done , lets not overlook such a significant find for the sake of one well consumend Jack Russel !!!!




WE CAME WE SAW AND IT KICKED OUR BUTTS !!!! !!!!

[NoPolys]

Ya'll are makin me laugh at the takeaway tracking..... I like it !!

As an aside, think about the area a bit Mr X and how high the probabilities are of a "small white dog" being there...... just a random thought.

Other people have found several kinds of trace evidence in their castings (read USA Bigfoot folks here) so all of us who cast need to remember to watch the cleaning of the overburden when we clean those print castings.

There is a short bit of video I recently saw that showed Richard Greenwell doing some casting prep work..... one of the silent giants in cryptozoology.

cheers

[Rusty2]

Howdy !
For anyone looking to get into hair analysis , here's a link to a great little microscope .

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Cordless-LED-Mic ... 1c1604c4f7

Mine turned up yesterday along with everything you need to make a start . Dr Brunners " hair id " tool turned up today and goes into complicated but understandable explainations of microscopy and sample preparation and analysis but not collection
procedure's . BUGGER ! In some of his photo's he is handling the samples bare handed . ?????

Here's some photo's i took today !

Most importantly , topender pasted a link on this post from a guy suggesting we pick up garbage bags full of debris off the ground in
possoble area's of activity . It's tedious but it work's .

Cheer's Rusty2..............

[selkiedarre]

Hmm Rusty, looks like you have split ends!

Sorry.. couldnt resist!

[The yowie Mrx]

Sorry its take so long two get back to ever one.

Andrew
The bait I use is apple's .Thay work the best I find.

AL Pitman
Yes the footprint, Its not the best but will keep look for a better one cheers.

NoPolys
I can't see a small dog living in this area very well, A dog around the size of a bluey or bigger yes.There is a researcher in Australia who has hair samples and tested, It came back as unkown primate. I have read the paper work.This researcher ( no name) has good pic as well.

Ruety2
Nice microscop very nice pic's.
When I get back to the cave with bedding I will try and look for some samples for you.
I been told the hair we are looking for is around 4 cm and slitelee thinner then a mans hair. Well that for the Gigantopithecus type yowie.

[Bow Hunter]

I once found fresh stick formation with the end of one stick still wet with saliva unfortunately about 5 min from finding it it rained.

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi Bow hunter,Bloody hell mate,That would give any research the .

Bow hunter are the best trackes I do a bit my self.Are you with ABA?I no some good areas.As long as you don't shot the big guy!

[selkiedarre]

I once found fresh stick formation with the end of one stick still wet with saliva unfortunately about 5 min from finding it it rained.

Bow Hunter,

How did you know it was still wet with saliva when it rained on the stick just before you got there?

[NoPolys]

Al;

Would it be possible to have a generic type form on this site so that all you would have to do is simply fill in the open spaces and follow the suggested protocol such as in the handling of the specimens / evidence ect , you could even print it out or save a copy ?

Gerat idea that..... I have a few articles touching on this I use. My big one right now is the field and photo log.... Makes it easier when you just fill in the blanks with a short narrative & drawing. It also goes to your methodologies if you ever submit stuff for others to review.

Cheers

Nopolys