Might have yowie hair

[The yowie Mrx]

I did a plaster cast of a foot print and pulled out a 5 cm white/gray hair.Its to long to be my hair and I no its not goat so Its a big ?
Whats the next step do I seen it to some?

[Buck]

Could you perhaps place it on black card, take a photo and post it on this thread. I'm keen to see. I'm not sure whom you'd send it to. Is there a bulb or hair root on it?

Cheers Buck

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi Buck yes its all ready dun . Its on black card and yes it has a root.Its up on my youtube and if I don't get bizzy tonight I will post a pic on this forem.

[Buck]

Thanks, I checked out your hair on you tube. It looked as though the end was tapered which would suggest it hasn't been cut and has naturally fallen out. Great find... Hope it pans out. I have also read accounts of grey yowies before. Old perhaps like Silverbacks or stress maybe

Any other hairs?

Cheers Buck

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi buck
just the one hair

[topender]

If you can find a zoologist in your area or even a biologist, they can do an initial microscopic analysis to determine morphology, i personally use a zoologist mate at my place of employment here in the NT, he has a basic database of hair samples to narrow it down.
i'm sure someone one the website can assist if you put the call out
( just gotta ensure the hair is stored in a sterile container )

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi topender
There is some zoologist at the une at Armidale,were I seent a pic of the scat larst time .But I will have to go next year around feb.
The hair is stored in a envelope in my sock draw like a lot of ather things. ..lol, I hope that works?
cheers mate

[Rusty2]

Nice work spotting the hair Mrx ,
Yes , its not a good time of year to be asking for services when everyone about to go on holidays . I wonder how much that sort of thing costs ?

Rusty2.................

[Dion]

I wonder how much that sort of thing costs ?

Quite expensive from what I know, unless you know someone who will do it for free, talk to Mike.

You need the hair follicle to get any sort of DNA from it otherwise its pretty much useless.

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi Rusty2

I got a PM from someone(no names)for someone who does mitochondrial dna.The cost $700.So I will wate to the new year.I might try a zoologist with a microscopic , the cost $000 or a beer?
Cheers mate

Hi Dion
Yes one big hair follicle
cheers mate

[Rusty2]

Hey Mrx ,
I live near a zoo and I know the owner well . If I had permission and a microscope we could do a comparison on your sample . I might do it anyway , collect samples from primates and tigers etc . It might be interesting just to have the samples and photograph them for reference . Never know what we might turn up . Might narrow things down a bit for future samples as well . I'll see what they say , they might tell me to get r@#$%d .

Rusty2.........

[The yowie Mrx]

Hey Rusty2 if you get permission and a microscope I will send the hair down to you
If there is any money in finding yowie hair I will give you 50%.
I do this for the research not for the money .
Cheers mate

[The yowie Mrx]

Hey Buck here the pic.

[Buck]

Thanks Mr X

The hair looks quite robust, you must have been stoked to find it with the cast.

Cheers Buck

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi buck I will be stoked when I get the results when some one looks at it.
Cheers mate.

[selkiedarre]

Thats so exciting finding a possible hair (intact with follicle, and tapered to show hasnt been cut), and to find it IN a footprint! Could it be that our little humble forum is on the verge of solving an age old mystery?!

Good luck guys!!

[andrew]

What you need to do is contact HANS BRUNNER. He is a renowned zoologist and animal forensic expert whose work is internationally recognised. He published the world's first book on hair identification and is the author of many peer-reviewed scientific and technical papers. He has trained forensic investigators and worked for international scientific organisations. A master of applied science, he has taught at Deakin University, Swinburne College and Chisholm Institute. He is famous for his involvement in the Lindy Chamberlain case in 1980, and compared the hairs of the Orang Pendek ( a smaller version of the Yowie) from Sumatra to those of other primates and local animals and suggested that they originated from a previously undocumented species of primate. Also, please store hair and any other samples in proper sterile containers (talk to your local chemist) and do not handle them in case you cause contamination and bugger up later DNA workups.

Don't mess about with this stuff - you need to go to a reputable, local expert and this is the fellow to who meets the criteria. Your discovery is important, so don't hesitate. I would make the same plea to anyone who finds samples.

Andrew

[andrew]

Just a quick confirmation that Hans is on that number above. I jsut spoke with him. He will also look at scats (he says he has 20,000 samples) and has been involved for a long time in studies of evidence for big cats and thylacines etc.

This is the man to go to for expert opinions. Post your sample to him and I suggest registered post.

Andrew

[Mike Williams]

I second Andrews suggestion.
No offense meant to Rusty in the slightest..!!
The biologist I pm`ed you about, or Brunner..both specialise in hair analysis..at least Brunner is In Australia.
All you are after is a photo from the microscope and the hair returned and an attempt by Brunner at species/family id.....!!
It will cost very little..!!
Re scats..Brunner specialises in hair..and sends scats to Triggs..

has been involved for a long time in studies of evidence for big cats and thylacines etc.

Err..that must be a recent change of heart.. and new direction for him..
But..He doesnt know anything about big cats ..and the last time i spoke to him he didnt believe that any form of exotic cats exist here..
Though he does imply otherwise in some documents..


Mike

[Rusty2]

Hey Mike ! , no offence taken mate . I wouldnt send it to me either .
Was just thinking along the lines of , if I found something i'd probably like to compare it to road kill and zoo (fox wombat roo primate)samples under a microscope before sending it . Microscopes are quite cheap . Heres a link ...


http://www.dinodirect.com/monocular-mic ... medium=cpc

Just a thought .........


Rusty2...............

[The yowie Mrx]

Hi to Andrew,Mike and Rusty.

Yes mike I have email that person.
Yes andrew I have rang Han. You shound delete his number from the forum there's a lot of nutters out there.

I will be sending the hair to Hans he kowns the same scientist as I do.From secret lab.
And if the hair sample pays off the plastercarst and scat will go to Canberra.

Cheers Mrx

P.S and have a top Boxing Day

[Dion]

Hi andrew

I have deleted Hans number and address from your posts, like Mrx says there are a few nutters out there, we dont want them ringing Hans up and abusing him for some unforeseen reasons.

If you need to post up phone numbers and or addresses do it in a PM and always be carefull who you give that information out too.

Regards Dion

[andrew]

Point taken and will do that, though considering that it took me less than a minute to find his number and confirm it, I suppose we have to rely on nutters having an IQ less than their shoe size to protect him and others from unwarranted abuse.

It seems to me that there should be an established protocol for the collection, labelling and transmission of all potential physical evidence to reputable analysts. I have broached that with DMH and would like to see consistent, scientifically sound procedures adopted. The same applies to the reporting of results. With great respect, it needs to be better than an "envelope in a sock drawer". This is so critical if a reliable evidentiary database is to be built up over time. Any weakness in the trail of forensic evidence provides a point of attack for detractors. Even those within the science profession have problems with peers so it is critical that utmost care is taken at every step. Perhaps we need a secure database, password accessible only by trusted contributors. Toss the idea around and provide thoughts.

Evidence of our friends has been coming in since 1790 and the argument still rages about their basic existence. Is it not time to get really professional here? It does not require a science degree to record details and ensure proper procedure when any evidence is collected. This is not a criticism btw, just a call for "best practice" by those with an open and inquisitive mind, as many here have.

Andrew

[topender]

Brunner is " the man " he is considered one of if not the pre eminent authority on this stuff , my zoologist mate up here dropped his name to me as well.

[deadpool]

Point taken and will do that, though considering that it took me less than a minute to find his number and confirm it, I suppose we have to rely on nutters having an IQ less than their shoe size to protect him and others from unwarranted abuse.

It seems to me that there should be an established protocol for the collection, labelling and transmission of all potential physical evidence to reputable analysts. I have broached that with DMH and would like to see consistent, scientifically sound procedures adopted. The same applies to the reporting of results. With great respect, it needs to be better than an "envelope in a sock drawer". This is so critical if a reliable evidentiary database is to be built up over time. Any weakness in the trail of forensic evidence provides a point of attack for detractors. Even those within the science profession have problems with peers so it is critical that utmost care is taken at every step. Perhaps we need a secure database, password accessible only by trusted contributors. Toss the idea around and provide thoughts.

Evidence of our friends has been coming in since 1790 and the argument still rages about their basic existence. Is it not time to get really professional here? It does not require a science degree to record details and ensure proper procedure when any evidence is collected. This is not a criticism btw, just a call for "best practice" by those with an open and inquisitive mind, as many here have.

Andrew

When you say a secure database, do you mean a forum type thing? Or a password protected gallery of sorts?

And MrX? Top work mate!

[topender]

i agree, if evidence is to be submitted under the AYR name; then there needs to be a methodic system in place for the submission and forwarding of material, a consistant set of protocols which will stand up to scutiny, it also would be in line withhow other materials are handled and submitted to a professional for evaluation and reporting, i'm only suggesting we raise the bar .

[Rusty2]

Hey everyone ,
Just thought i'd throw in this interesting article i found on hair analysis . As it turned out it was a possible sasquatch hair . The pics are at the side and bottom . Very interesting !

http://texlaresearch.com/hairanalysis.htm

Rusty2..............

[The yowie Mrx]

Cheers deadpool.

Nice site rusty2 , I found a site for hair twowww.chymist.com/HAIR%20ANALYSIS.pdf
Like I said , The hair look's a bit like a mans arm or leg hair. My leg and arm hair is 30mm the hair I found is 50mm.
But I will not know untill Mr Brunner looks at it.

[Rusty2]

Hey Mrx ,
I found Mr Brunners interactive hair analysis tool for sale at CSIRO . Looks like a very interesting tool for hair id and " gives step-by-step instructions on preparation and analysis of hair samples. "

Might come in handy for what topender and andrew was suggesting . A proper protocol for AYR members to adhere to while collecting samples .
I've ordered it and will pass on the info when I get it . It would be a shame if evidence was dismissed because of incorrect handling of samples .
Here's the link .

http://www.publish.csiro.au/index.cfm?pid=3395

Got my fingers crossed for ya mate , good luck R usty2................

[NoPolys]

Rusty;

That's a great tool and on my wish list for this year......... the down side is it has a fairly limited database, but I think it allows additions to the database. I'll let ya know more when I have it in my hands.

cheers