According to Wikipedia Yowies are a fact - our job is done

[Thumper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_And ... re_Reserve

[aaq]

That's cool. In a few places - most descriptively in The Yowie by Healy and Cropper - they talk about an indigenous gent who, as a kid, witnessed some family overcome and kill a yowie, then burying it in a nearby cave.

The described area is just downstream of where the Yass meets the Murrumbidgee - which, 150 years ago would have been a river still, but today is... Lake Burrinjuck.

So if it hasn't already been discovered there's potentially a Yowie buried in what's now an underwater cave in Lake Burrinjuck.

[sensesonfire]

I find it a little incredulous that an aboriginal family could overcome a 7 to 12-foot demented Yowie and kill it especially knowing what incredible paranormal abilities they have. I've heard of a similar incident where a Yowie was supposedly attacked and killed and the body dumped over a bridge into the river embankment. I'm of the opinion it's a case of Cum grano salis.

[bassplyr]

Why not? Cavemen were killing mastodons with a few well placed spears back in the day, and a yowie
Is no mastodon. Nowhere even close. There are stories of native Americans running sasquatch out of their territory by actively hunting them down, so why not an Aboriginal family here?

I mean whats the yowie supposed to do when surrounded by armed people. Phase shift into another realm of existence so the bullets or spears pass through him? Almost every animal on earth when surrounded by angry humans with weapons die.

[aaq]

This is the excerpt (reproduced without permission) from "THE YOWIE: In Search of Australia's Bigfoot" by Tony Healy, Paul Cropper -

". There are several accounts of Aborigines besting them in a fight and even killing them. A well-known and highly respected Ngunnawal elder, “Black Harry” Williams (c.1837 – 1921), told of seeing a large group of warriors kill one below the junction of the Yass and Murrumbidgee rivers, near the present site of Burrinjuck Dam, in about 1847. They dragged it down the hill by its ankles. He described it as “like a black man but covered all over with grey hair”. [Case 2]"

Case 2 from "THE YOWIE: In Search of Australia's Bigfoot" by Tony Healy, Paul Cropper -

"Case 2. Circa 1847. About 20 km west of Yass, NSW. In 1903 a Ngunnawal/Kamberri elder, “Black Harry” Williams (1837-1921) told his friend George Webb that that when he was about 10 years old he saw a large group of Aborigines kill a Hairy Man near the junction of the Yass and Murrumbidgee Rivers. It was like a black man, but covered all over with grey hair. Two warriors dragged it downhill by its legs. [See Ch. 1] It is worth noting that, 140 years later, James Basham of Cootamundra encountered a gigantic yowie at Taemas Bridge, about 12 kilometres from the site of Mr. Williams’ experience. [Case 169] Letter from George Webb to The Queanbeyan Observer, Aug 7, 1903, cited in Graham Joyner, The Hairy Man of South Eastern Australia, Canberra, 1977 and in Ann Jackson-Nakano, The Kamberri, Canberra, 2001. Credit: Graham Joyner."

[Thumper]

Seems plausible to me.
I see no reason why a pack of humans with spears couldn’t take down a yowie.

[AL Pitman]

To quote the great man Arnold Swarzanegger

If it bleeds we can kill it !!

[sensesonfire]

This is the excerpt (reproduced without permission) from "THE YOWIE: In Search of Australia's Bigfoot" by Tony Healy, Paul Cropper -

. He described it as “like a black man but covered all over with grey hair”. [Case 2]"

I suspect these may have been Junjudee encounters, not the towering 12-foot Yowie.


Post by bassplyr » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:53 am


I mean whats the yowie supposed to do when surrounded by armed people. Phase shift into another realm of existence so the bullets or spears pass through him? Almost every animal on earth when surrounded by angry humans with weapons die.


Now you are getting closer to reality.

[sensesonfire]

Why not? Cavemen were killing mastodons with a few well placed spears back in the day, and a yowie
Is no mastodon. Nowhere even close. There are stories of native Americans running sasquatch out of their territory by actively hunting them down, so why not an Aboriginal family here?

I mean whats the yowie supposed to do when surrounded by armed people. Phase shift into another realm of existence so the bullets or spears pass through him? Almost every animal on earth when surrounded by angry humans with weapons die.

There have been many instances in the US where Bigfoot have been fired upon at point-blank range and virtually disappeared in front of the gunman's eyes. Is this the capability of our Yowie who knows? because it has never been witnessed. We have a lot more documented evidence on Bigfoot behaviour than we do on Yowie but I believe there is a similar correlation. I have read a few reports of attacks on humans from the late 1800's one being on two school kids going to school a boy ( 7 ) and his younger sister ( 6 ) the girl was set upon by a small hairy creature doing serious damage to her face. Her brother came to her rescue eventually fending it off.

I believe this attack was by a Junjudee as was the case with most reported encounters I don't believe they involved a 7 to 12-foot ferocious Yowie simply because you wouldn't be around to report it.

[Dudlow]

There have been many instances in the US where Bigfoot have been fired upon at point-blank range and virtually disappeared in front of the gunman's eyes. Is this the capability of our Yowie who knows? [/quote]

Yes, there have been many such reports, but there are also numerous reports of recent years in which paramilitary squads directed by the United States Department of the Interior have removed problem individuals and clans from so-called hot spots, where serious damage has been done to people through violent interaction. Several anonymous squad members have described some of these bloody events on various internet radio podcasts. Are they to be believed? Such a covert action is reported by a witness to have occurred not fifty miles from my home here in Southern Ontario, Canada. And, as time goes by, and as humans continue to expand geographically and encroach upon clan territories, more broom squad removals have taken place. How to resolve the high strangeness accounts with paramilitary fire power remains problematic.

[sensesonfire]

There have been many instances in the US where Bigfoot have been fired upon at point-blank range and virtually disappeared in front of the gunman's eyes. Is this the capability of our Yowie who knows?

Yes, there have been many such reports, but there are also numerous reports of recent years in which paramilitary squads directed by the United States Department of the Interior have removed problem individuals and clans from so-called hot spots, where serious damage has been done to people through violent interaction. Several anonymous squad members have described some of these bloody events on various internet radio podcasts. Are they to be believed? Such a covert action is reported by a witness to have occurred not fifty miles from my home here in Southern Ontario, Canada. And, as time goes by, and as humans continue to expand geographically and encroach upon clan territories, more broom squad removals have taken place. How to resolve the high strangeness accounts with paramilitary fire power remains problematic.
[/quote]

The high strangeness with all of this is the fact that these creatures are still not acknowledging by governments as real. We seem to have conflicting parallels with these creatures we are told they have great paranormal abilities that many people have witnessed and then told that military squads have removed (exterminated) problem individuals and clans from so-called hotspots. Even Native American tribes engaged Bigfoot in battle because of their rampaging habit of stealing their women and children. And if the Choctaw Indians are to be believed the conjuring of the Nashoba Chitto ( a supernatural event in itself) to counteract the Bigfoot. In modern times these raids on Bigfoot clans have supposedly been going on from the 1980s yet we have never seen any factual evidence to verify the claims.

It seems the line between fact and fiction seems to become ever so thinner.

[adventurer]

Why not? Cavemen were killing mastodons with a few well placed spears back in the day, and a yowie
Is no mastodon. Nowhere even close. There are stories of native Americans running sasquatch out of their territory by actively hunting them down, so why not an Aboriginal family here?

I mean whats the yowie supposed to do when surrounded by armed people. Phase shift into another realm of existence so the bullets or spears pass through him? Almost every animal on earth when surrounded by angry humans with weapons die.

Oh the aboriginals with there good ole DREAM time stories--yep.
Every other animal on earth is simply that--a animal, they dont have the yowie capabilities hence why they can get killed.
Thats exactly what the yowies do, unless you can find me bones and bodies of course.

[David]

George Webb was a highly respected early pre Canberra settler. I've read other historical material about him. He didn't come across as someone who would tell tall tales.

Link to the National Library entry..

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31095093

[adventurer]

George Webb was a highly respected early pre Canberra settler. I've read other historical material about him. He didn't come across as someone who would tell tall tales.

Link to the National Library entry..

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31095093

Hi, yes, yet another great story, but where is the evidence that was done? Theres a lot of so called respected people,people in government that scam,popes that rape ect...Anyone can tell a great story but wheres the body?

[David]

George Webb was a highly respected early pre Canberra settler. I've read other historical material about him. He didn't come across as someone who would tell tall tales.

Link to the National Library entry..

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31095093

Hi, yes, yet another great story, but where is the evidence that was done? Theres a lot of so called respected people,people in government that scam,popes that rape ect...Anyone can tell a great story but wheres the body?

Good question.. under the now waters of Burrinjuck Dam I suspect.

[aaq]

George Webb was a highly respected early pre Canberra settler. I've read other historical material about him. He didn't come across as someone who would tell tall tales.

Link to the National Library entry..

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31095093

Hi, yes, yet another great story, but where is the evidence that was done? Theres a lot of so called respected people,people in government that scam,popes that rape ect...Anyone can tell a great story but wheres the body?

Good question.. under the now waters of Burrinjuck Dam I suspect.

Yep.

[Bluedog]

If a polar bear can be harvested by an indigenous Eskimo there is no reason why indigenous Australians couldn't have killed a yowie as reported

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[adventurer]

If a polar bear can be harvested by an indigenous Eskimo there is no reason why indigenous Australians couldn't have killed a yowie as reported Screenshot_2019-12-09-16-41-38-382.jpeg

Hi, of couse they can, if the yowie is flesh and blood only.

[Bluedog]

Hi adventurer, yes I agree.
Your experiences point to the conclusion that they aren't just flesh and blood.
Your opinion is considered and respected as you have been out there and experienced things that nobody can explain (certainly not the flesh and blood camp)
By the way I despise the flesh and blood camp vs the paranormal /supernatural camp aspect of the subject.
We all are here for the same reasons (hopefully) we all have a genuine interest in the subject and are looking for answers.
It's hard to make a valid argument for either camp as the evidence is virtually non existent
I do acknowledge that 90% of encounters as reported on this site have no paranormal /supernatural aspect to them.
The other 10% is what makes me keep coming back.
Anyone who thinks they have all figured out ( and if you did, why wouldnt you move on) and refuses to consider others opinions is not here for the right reasons.
Let's respect and enjoy each other's opinions and live and let live!
Cheers all the best from the bluedog(and yes that's my dog in my avatar pic and she is beautiful)

[Rusty2]

I've seen the weird stuff too and have thought about it a lot over the years .

I'm not trying to argue with anyone and I respect everyone's belief BUT

THERE'S ANOTHER HYPOTHESIS to the weird stuff .

It's a scientific one , a plausible one , makes complete sense and requires a much smaller leap of faith than a paranormal , unknown , spooky , we don't understand box that the yowie has been forcefully stuffed into .

Considering recent events : ) , it's even more plausible .

I've never heard anyone on here ever say anything about it or allude to it in any way .
The funny thing is that when people see something they don't understand it's instantly PARANORMAL . A two word hypothesis (they're paranormal) with no other explanation .
I won't be making anyone guess and I'm not going to mention anything else about it . I'm just wondering if anyone on this forum can figure it out .

This is an opinion

[aaq]

I've seen the weird stuff too and have thought about it a lot over the years .

I'm not trying to argue with anyone and I respect everyone's belief BUT

THERE'S ANOTHER HYPOTHESIS to the weird stuff .

It's a scientific one , a plausible one , makes complete sense and requires a much smaller leap of faith than a paranormal , unknown , spooky , we don't understand box that the yowie has been forcefully stuffed into .

Considering recent events : ) , it's even more plausible .

I've never heard anyone on here ever say anything about it or allude to it in any way .
The funny thing is that when people see something they don't understand it's instantly PARANORMAL . A two word hypothesis (they're paranormal) with no other explanation .
I won't be making anyone guess and I'm not going to mention anything else about it . I'm just wondering if anyone on this forum can figure it out .

This is an opinion

They're human...

[adventurer]

I've seen the weird stuff too and have thought about it a lot over the years .

I'm not trying to argue with anyone and I respect everyone's belief BUT

THERE'S ANOTHER HYPOTHESIS to the weird stuff .

It's a scientific one , a plausible one , makes complete sense and requires a much smaller leap of faith than a paranormal , unknown , spooky , we don't understand box that the yowie has been forcefully stuffed into .

Considering recent events : ) , it's even more plausible .

I've never heard anyone on here ever say anything about it or allude to it in any way .
The funny thing is that when people see something they don't understand it's instantly PARANORMAL . A two word hypothesis (they're paranormal) with no other explanation .
I won't be making anyone guess and I'm not going to mention anything else about it . I'm just wondering if anyone on this forum can figure it out .

This is an opinion

They're human...

Nah, humans cant do that weird stuff. I know iv said ape x human, and ghostly. Others have said extraterrestrial type creature, so thats all been said.So help us out Rusty, whats your thoughts. It may help us all out.

[aaq]

I've seen the weird stuff too and have thought about it a lot over the years .

I'm not trying to argue with anyone and I respect everyone's belief BUT

THERE'S ANOTHER HYPOTHESIS to the weird stuff .

It's a scientific one , a plausible one , makes complete sense and requires a much smaller leap of faith than a paranormal , unknown , spooky , we don't understand box that the yowie has been forcefully stuffed into .

Considering recent events : ) , it's even more plausible .

I've never heard anyone on here ever say anything about it or allude to it in any way .
The funny thing is that when people see something they don't understand it's instantly PARANORMAL . A two word hypothesis (they're paranormal) with no other explanation .
I won't be making anyone guess and I'm not going to mention anything else about it . I'm just wondering if anyone on this forum can figure it out .

This is an opinion

They're human...

Nah, humans cant do that weird stuff. I know iv said ape x human, and ghostly. Others have said extraterrestrial type creature, so thats all been said.So help us out Rusty, whats your thoughts. It may help us all out.

What about humans who have spent 10's of thousands of years in the bush, perfectly their bushcraft - like the SAS sniper/scout but practised over generations. Eating koala, possum, deer, goanna, etc and evolving larger, stronger and with keener eyesight and less ipads/phones.

[adventurer]

They're human...

Nah, humans cant do that weird stuff. I know iv said ape x human, and ghostly. Others have said extraterrestrial type creature, so thats all been said.So help us out Rusty, whats your thoughts. It may help us all out.

What about humans who have spent 10's of thousands of years in the bush, perfectly their bushcraft - like the SAS sniper/scout but practised over generations. Eating koala, possum, deer, goanna, etc and evolving larger, stronger and with keener eyesight and less ipads/phones.

I thought Rusty was talking about another explanation for the weirdness, hence why i said humans cant do that. Like dissapear, shapeshift, be invisible,throw rocks at fa-nominal speed, run fast as lightning, climb huge trees, see in total darkness running and the rest.

[sensesonfire]

Hi adventurer, yes I agree.
Your experiences point to the conclusion that they aren't just flesh and blood.
Your opinion is considered and respected as you have been out there and experienced things that nobody can explain (certainly not the flesh and blood camp)
By the way I despise the flesh and blood camp vs the paranormal /supernatural camp aspect of the subject.
We all are here for the same reasons (hopefully) we all have a genuine interest in the subject and are looking for answers.
It's hard to make a valid argument for either camp as the evidence is virtually non existent
I do acknowledge that 90% of encounters as reported on this site have no paranormal /supernatural aspect to them.
The other 10% is what makes me keep coming back.
Anyone who thinks they have all figured out ( and if you did, why wouldnt you move on) and refuses to consider others opinions is not here for the right reasons.
Let's respect and enjoy each other's opinions and live and let live!
Cheers all the best from the bluedog(and yes that's my dog in my avatar pic and she is beautiful)

Hi Bluedog,
Everything you say is worthy of note and I would like to add that no forum member that I can think has had more experience with the paranormal Yowie than adventurer. I have to keep in mind that this is the Yowie / Bigfoot Discussion Board where generally paranormal Yowie comments are a little off-topic and generally not welcome as can be seen by some of the remarks to my 'paranormal' comments.
and this is exactly where the dilemma lies by keeping the discussions separate it is virtually acknowledging that the two are incompatible.
You say that "I do acknowledge that 90% of encounters as reported on this site have no paranormal /supernatural aspect to them.
The other 10% is what makes me keep coming back." I believe that percentage may be a little generous because except for a few humans how many have actually had a physical Yowie encounter just ask Rusty2 he's been in pursuit of the physical Yowie for decades and I may be wrong but it has not yet come to fruition.
IMO we are on an unlevel playing field because shall I say the unexplained aspect of Yowie far exceeds the physical evidence. We have no bone samples no verifiable scats or hair samples let alone a Yowie body that can be identified so very little physical evidence at all.

Now the paranormal Yowie/Bigfoot abilities such as disappearing in front of your eyes, disappearing when fired on from point-blank range the ability to gravitate or running up sand embankments without leaving any footprints; being able to move at unbelievable speeds far in excess of any animal known to man. The ability to run without exerting any arm or leg movement being able to trigger camera and video malfunction when desired the inability to obtain a clear image of Yowie or Bigfoot and probably the most mysterious of all is the correlation between increased Bigfoot and Yowie activity and the reported sightings of UFOs. also the ability of Bigfoot and Yowies I suspect to transfigure into other forms as reported by the Native Americans. All of this has been reported by many so very impressive I would imagine.
However, as you say "It's hard to make a valid argument for either camp as the evidence is virtually non existent".

What does annoy me is the refusal of the flesh and blood camp and I have to say even this theory is unproven in acknowledging that there may be some serious supernatural abilities that we do not understand and be a little more open-minded I am with the physical Yowie but I do believe it is not compatible without the paranormal aspect. But as I said there appears to be a serious chasm between the para and flesh and blood aspect so I will try to keep my comments restricted to the Controversial and Fringe Subject section where I'm sure my replies will garnish thousands if not millions of views LoL.

[sensesonfire]

the ability to gravitate

Sorry, the word should be levitate not gravitate.
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[tomo8r]

It's a scientific one , a plausible one , makes complete sense and requires a much smaller leap of faith than a paranormal , unknown , spooky , we don't understand box that the yowie has been forcefully stuffed into .

Considering recent events : ) , it's even more plausible .

I've never heard anyone on here ever say anything about it or allude to it in any way .
The funny thing is that when people see something they don't understand it's instantly PARANORMAL . A two word hypothesis (they're paranormal) with no other explanation .
I won't be making anyone guess and I'm not going to mention anything else about it . I'm just wondering if anyone on this forum can figure it out .

This is an opinion

Some people feel the need to fill the gaps. Might as well be God.



Or fallen angels as the case may be.

[sensesonfire]

It's a scientific one , a plausible one , makes complete sense and requires a much smaller leap of faith than a paranormal , unknown , spooky , we don't understand box that the yowie has been forcefully stuffed into .

Considering recent events : ) , it's even more plausible .

I've never heard anyone on here ever say anything about it or allude to it in any way .
The funny thing is that when people see something they don't understand it's instantly PARANORMAL . A two word hypothesis (they're paranormal) with no other explanation .
I won't be making anyone guess and I'm not going to mention anything else about it . I'm just wondering if anyone on this forum can figure it out .

This is an opinion

Rubbish, I don't understand and never will advanced mathematics but I wouldn't call it paranormal,



Some people feel the need to fill the gaps. Might as well be God.



Or fallen angels as the case may be.

I don't feel the need to fill any gaps when you're enlightened everything falls into place.
In the United States where people have had a far greater association with the Bigfoot, Dogman phenomena and all the weirdness and paranormal behaviour that goes with it they are fast realising there is more to these creatures than the scientific palaver ( or lack of ).

The US is much more open to belief in the Biblical scriptures than many unbelieving, hedonistic Aussies and this is where they are turning to get answers - I did and I wasn't disappointed. If you look at YouTube videos on these cryptids many comments have Biblical references.
In lateral thinking, the US is way ahead of Oz.

[Rusty2]

If you look at YouTube videos on these cryptids many comments have Biblical references.

Senses , don't take this the wrong way but the above quote is confirmation bias .

"confirmation bias occurs when a researcher forms a hypothesis or belief and uses respondents information to confirm that belief"

There's more than one answer to the conundrum . Maybe one day in the future people will find out exactly what's going on in "exquisitely informed detail" .

Have a great weekend !